If only Ian could sing, he wouldn't have needed a muppet prancing round the stage reading a newspaper. What a JOKE!!!!
Wow! The Muppets are touring with Ian ! That will be even better than I imagined !
Yes its official my dear fiend KERMIT WILL DO all lead vocals on TAAB1 Miss piggy will do TAAB2 This will be a huge improvemnat on the present shambles Ian has decided Ryan just sits on his arse all night and doesnt earn his crust Hes currently discussing a contract with Animal as hes far cheaper than Scott who is FAR FAR CHEAPER than DOANNE The future looks bright!!!!
Yes its official my dear friend. KERMIT WILL DO all lead vocals on TAAB1, Miss piggy will do TAAB2. This will be a huge improvement on the present shambles. Ian has decided Ryan just sits on his arse all night and doesnt earn his crust. He's currently discussing a contract with Animal as hes far cheaper than Scott who is FAR FAR CHEAPER than DOANNE The future looks bright!!!!
Ok, after giving TAAB2 a few dozen more listens I need to update my original take. I think the album is indeed a masterpiece. The spoken parts are perfectly utilized and add to the overall experience. I love they way they evolve into song. I love the passion in Ian's voice.
The instrumentation is outstanding. Not only do I not think Florian sounds like Martin, he brings another altogether unique element that works magnificently. He's not Martin but if he keeps playing like this, who cares? Still don't care much for 'the squeezy thing' and wish he used more of the Hammond Organ.
The only part of the album that I find myself occasionally skipping is the opening and most of the vocals on Change of Horses. I tend to head straight to the wonderful jam at the end.
Overall, I am in amazement at what Ian has managed to pull off. That he was able to put the whole thing together in such a short period of time just blows me away.
IMO, whoever said the drumming is weak is, with all due respect, either nuts or simply hasn't given it enough listens. I think the drumming is great.
I can't imagine any fan of Tull not liking this album. TAAB2 just oozes creativity and genius. Like all great and worthwhile endeavors, it takes a bit of patience to experience the full pay off. I really think there is genius to this album and, at least for me, it seeps out slowly the more you listen.
Agreed in every aspect! How do you think it looks like in comparison to the original?
I've been thinking about this question for a bit and can't seem to connect the two. I think the new album stands on its own merit and really bares little resemblance to the original. The things that make the original so special are very different from what makes the recent release so satisfying.
I think to compare the two would be unfair, as I consider the original to be amongst the greatest rock albums ever created. I'm not sure I can say that about TAAB2. Of course you can ask me in another 40 years and maybe I will change my tune.
What is especially gratifying about the new release is the manner in which Ian overcomes so many obstacles in such a satisfying manner. That he managed to create a moving and sophisticated dialog that makes optimal use of his aged vocal style, while maintaining the integrity of the original was no small feat.
Not only does he maximize the utility of his voice, he does so in a manner that fits perfectly with the story and might in fact even be preferable to the pristine vocals of the original. The last lines of the album serve to show this as he is able to contrast the youthful joy that was evident in the vocal stylings of the original with one that has grown tired and damaged by the forays of life. This is as if his own life and experience have marinated in a way that gives TAAB2 a feeling of realism that is quite unlike the original's timeless qualities. This, to me, is the genius of Ian Anderson.
Re: TJTB's 'Official' Review of TAAB2 « Reply #144 on May 7, 2012, 4:50pm »
Ive had the album now exactly a month. Ive played about 20 times and am still getting into it. Its a joy to hear an album that demands many listens. Im sure I'm not the only one who thought the days of such albums are long gone particulary from Ian who lets face hasnt exactly been prolific in the studio over the last 10 years. This album is a triumph and proves that true prog. can still be made. Risky as so many others have fallen flat on thier greedy faces trying to revisit old classics. Ian tips his tartan beret to the past but still lives very much in the present. The lyrics probrably more topical and thought provoking than in 1972. What are the chances of APP2? Zero I guess!
Ive had the album now exactly a month. Ive played about 20 times and am still getting into it. Its a joy to hear an album that demands many listens. Im sure I'm not the only one who thought the days of such albums are long gone
Well, of course not really on the mainstream radio, but there are still lots of (Prog) bands who create amazing albums that demand multiple listens and much attention. Still, it's amazing to have another one of those, especially by an "old master".
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This album is a triumph and proves that true prog. can still be made.
Do you think the intention was to create a truly "progressive" album? Because Ian said that musically the album is (intentionally) very different from the original (except the little references). And the original is pure prog.
Ive had the album now exactly a month. Ive played about 20 times and am still getting into it. Its a joy to hear an album that demands many listens. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought the days of such albums are long gone particulary from Ian who lets face hasnt exactly been prolific in the studio over the last 10 years. This album is a triumph and proves that true prog. can still be made. Risky as so many others have fallen flat on their greedy faces trying to revisit old classics. Ian tips his tartan beret to the past but still lives very much in the present. The lyrics probrably more topical and thought provoking than in 1972. What are the chances of APP2? Zero I guess!
The points made here are very accurate. The possibility for "A Passion Play" sequel is not likely. If Ian would let Florian do his magic on some parts of APP, that would make me happy.
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Re: TJTB's 'Official' Review of TAAB2 « Reply #147 on May 13, 2012, 6:32pm »
I'm actually really thankful for many reasons that Ian didn't follow the mould of the original Thick as a Brick. One of the big ones being (though I absolutely love the original) the music was pretty rigid most of the time (not like they were trying to play relaxed or anything!), march-like and repetitious--Probably the worst thing I'll ever say about Thick as a Brick!! I also tend to think Passion Play was better musically.
TAAB2 was a huge endeavor, it was played in a much different style, more flowing, relaxed, and not nearly as repetitious in some ways I like it a lot better than the original, but I'm definitely not going to take that all the way yet
Yeah, I have no expectations for APP2, but I would be even more interested in hearing his sequel to THAT one!!
Re: TJTB's 'Official' Review of TAAB2 « Reply #148 on May 24, 2012, 12:55pm »
To Rrrrrrrrrrrrraaaay (sp?) sorry.. attrocious was a stupid word to use. emotive and innaccurate. Thanks for links. I hadn't heard latter track. Cool. It's not terrible obviously.. just nowhere near as good as the preceeding "utter genius years" . IMHO. sorry for my stupid remark. 'dissapointing' was the correct word. There a some great tracks in later years.. rocks on the road .. for e.g. But with TAAb2 lots of sparks of genius on display steve
Re: TJTB's 'Official' Review of TAAB2 « Reply #149 on May 25, 2012, 8:50am »
I've been playing bits of TAAB2 to some people whose knowledge of Jethro Tull is very minimal, and their ears prick up and they enthuse over how it grabs their attention, and how it is different from what they usually hear in "popular" music.
We, as fans, bring all sorts of baggage and personal history with the music and past albums when we hear a new release. These factors can sometimes color our appreciation of a new work. Nothing to be ashamed of, it's only natural! So it has been very interesting to hear the opinions of people who are not judging what they hear against a 40 year old release.
Didn't Ian Anderson say, in interviews 20-odd years ago, that the only competition a new Tull album had to face was Tull's own back catalogue? Very wise, that Scotsman...
I love TAAB2, and I've been a fan for 33 years. What baggage I bring to the table is for other people to evaluate, if they are that bored!
I've been playing bits of TAAB2 to some people whose knowledge of Jethro Tull is very minimal, and their ears prick up and they enthuse over how it grabs their attention, and how it is different from what they usually hear in "popular" music.
We, as fans, bring all sorts of baggage and personal history with the music and past albums when we hear a new release. These factors can sometimes color our appreciation of a new work. Nothing to be ashamed of, it's only natural! So it has been very interesting to hear the opinions of people who are not judging what they hear against a 40 year old release.
Didn't Ian Anderson say, in interviews 20-odd years ago, that the only competition a new Tull album had to face was Tull's own back catalogue? Very wise, that Scotsman...
I love TAAB2, and I've been a fan for 33 years. What baggage I bring to the table is for other people to evaluate, if they are that bored!
When you enjoy something new, travel light. Less to carry.
Re: TJTB's 'Official' Review of TAAB2 « Reply #151 on May 30, 2012, 8:21am »
From things I've read in numerous places, the veterans of Tull (Doane Perry, Martin Barre, etc., etc.) are not performing on TAAB2 by choice. Given Ian Anderson's penchant for touring and live performance, I think that that's understandable. If you were a 60 something, would you want to give up a year or more jetting around the globe and performing in city after city night after night? I think not. While we would've all liked to see/hear the original members of the TAAB 1 album do the TAAB 2 album, it didn't happen. Get over it. TAAB 2 is a wonderful album and Ian Anderson has assembled a formidable group of musicians to perform it with him. If we all have the ambition and energy that Ian Anderson has at 64, the future will be brighter for everyone.
From things I've read in numerous places, the veterans of Tull (Doane Perry, Martin Barre, etc., etc.) are not performing on TAAB2 by choice. Given Ian Anderson's penchant for touring and live performance, I think that that's understandable. If you were a 60 something, would you want to give up a year or more jetting around the globe and performing in city after city night after night? I think not. While we would've all liked to see/hear the original members of the TAAB 1 album do the TAAB 2 album, it didn't happen. Get over it. TAAB 2 is a wonderful album and Ian Anderson has assembled a formidable group of musicians to perform it with him. If we all have the ambition and energy that Ian Anderson has at 64, the future will be brighter for everyone.
From things I've read in numerous places, the veterans of Tull (Doane Perry, Martin Barre, etc., etc.) are not performing on TAAB2 by choice. Given Ian Anderson's penchant for touring and live performance, I think that that's understandable. If you were a 60 something, would you want to give up a year or more jetting around the globe and performing in city after city night after night? I think not. While we would've all liked to see/hear the original members of the TAAB 1 album do the TAAB 2 album, it didn't happen. Get over it. TAAB 2 is a wonderful album and Ian Anderson has assembled a formidable group of musicians to perform it with him. If we all have the ambition and energy that Ian Anderson has at 64, the future will be brighter for everyone.
I'm sorry, but your comment is idiotic. Martin Barre has been touring with his band New Day (along with Jonathon Noyce, another member of Tull). Doane Perry is only 58, and doesn't seem to be using a walker. Dave Pegg (another former member of Tull) will be touring in Europe with Fairport Convention after the Cropredy Festival, and then he's going on two separate tours with solo projects. Andrew Giddings is only 48 and doing solo projects. That other members of Tull aren't participating has nothing to do with touring.
If you wish to get indignant and make smarmy comments, get your facts straight. And then you can get over it.
And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George, who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision...
From things I've read in numerous places, the veterans of Tull (Doane Perry, Martin Barre, etc., etc.) are not performing on TAAB2 by choice. Given Ian Anderson's penchant for touring and live performance, I think that that's understandable. If you were a 60 something, would you want to give up a year or more jetting around the globe and performing in city after city night after night? I think not. While we would've all liked to see/hear the original members of the TAAB 1 album do the TAAB 2 album, it didn't happen. Get over it. TAAB 2 is a wonderful album and Ian Anderson has assembled a formidable group of musicians to perform it with him. If we all have the ambition and energy that Ian Anderson has at 64, the future will be brighter for everyone.
I'm sorry, but your comment is idiotic. Martin Barre has been touring with his band New Day (along with Jonathon Noyce, another member of Tull). Doane Perry is only 58, and doesn't seem to be using a walker. Dave Pegg (another former member of Tull) will be touring in Europe with Fairport Convention after the Cropredy Festival, and then he's going on two separate tours with solo projects. Andrew Giddings is only 48 and doing solo projects. That other members of Tull aren't participating has nothing to do with touring.
If you wish to get indignant and make smarmy comments, get your facts straight. And then you can get over it.
Yes, the plethora of tour dates off the European continent for both Martin Barre and Fairport is quite impressive-not.
It doesn't change the fact that your comment that other Tull members "are not performing on TAAB2 by choice" is utterly nonsense, and then adding that they're too old to tour is idiotic. They are not performing on TAAB2 because Ian blew them off, plain and simple. And if I recall correctly, both Barriemore and Martin were quite put off by the snub.
I will continue to maintain that Mr. Anderson made a mistake in using hired hands to imitate a Tull album. And that to me is what TAAB2 is: a solo effort stealing bits and pieces of a masterpiece in order to sell more CDs and garner more press than he's had since Tull won a Grammy. It is fine as solo albums go, better than all his others from a cumulative standpoint.
Personally, I think Ian should have swallowed his ego 30 years ago and brought in another singer. Listening to him live is gut-wrenchingly painful at times.
And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George, who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision...
Re: TJTB's 'Official' Review of TAAB2 « Reply #158 on Jun 1, 2012, 7:53am »
I believe that I have been completely misunderstood. I am not suggesting that Martin, Doane, Barriemore and/or David, etc. etc. have no interest in touring or that they are "too old" to do so. I am suggesting that they have no interest in making a commitment to an extensive world tour that being involved with TAAB 2 would require. They are at an age where they have other priorities, interests, projects--what have you, that are more important to them. And if that's perceived as utter nonsense, well, we're all entitled to our opinions. I don't dispute that there are probably hurt feelings because Ian Anderson went ahead with TAAB 2 without veterans of TAAB 1. I don't see how it could be otherwise. As to Mr. Anderson's ego, Ian Anderson is Ian Anderson. Nothing anyone says will change that. And, I do agree that listening to his vocals "live" at times is painful. Still TAAB 2 is a fine album and I anxiously await November 2012 when I will see and hear it "LIVE."
They are not performing on TAAB2 because Ian blew them off, plain and simple. And if I recall correctly, both Barriemore and Martin were quite put off by the snub.
I will continue to maintain that Mr. Anderson made a mistake in using hired hands to imitate a Tull album. And that to me is what TAAB2 is: a solo effort stealing bits and pieces of a masterpiece in order to sell more CDs and garner more press than he's had since Tull won a Grammy. It is fine as solo albums go, better than all his others from a cumulative standpoint.
Personally, I think Ian should have swallowed his ego 30 years ago and brought in another singer. Listening to him live is gut-wrenchingly painful at times.
Is it a coincidence that you dislike Ian's personality, his actions, his vocals nowadays, the musical content of TAAB2 and imfugus?
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