Well, I go to shows to see Ian. I have enjoyed the contributions of the others through the years, but Ian is the star attraction.
I maintain that Ian is, and has always been, a special talent. No one else can write and perform the wya Ian does, and this year's tours are proving that another guitar player can easily do what Martin does. Sorry!
I agree with Martin.
I remember how exciting it was seeing Tull for the first time back in 1978. Of course Ian is the most salient member but watching all the guys (as a band) is what made it so special.
When I go to a concert I want to see the band that I like - the guys that made the music I love. I mean would you prefer seeing Mick Jagger without Keith Richards? Of course not. You would still go if you're a Stones fan but let's face it's just not going to be as good.
And this is not a knock on Ian's solo band. They all are good musicians and I enjoyed watching them last time they came around my neck of the woods.
They are just not Jethro Tull.
I agree totally TM. The first time I saw Tull (An accident of birth) the stage was full of characters and yes Ian was the centerpiece but he was augmented by a great cast. The band remained the same for 4 years and I thought it always looked like a 3 ring circus, you could sit and watch either one for quite a while, that was fantastic, hilarious and dangerous to my hearing. Jeffery Hammond was all over that stage, as much as Ian was. Jeffery's replacement was dead by the time I'd started warming up to him. Glascock was a great bass player and a perfect replacement BUT...it was not the Tull I knew. Then came Pegg, a fantastic player and great wit (one of my favorites) but he stood like a stone on the stage! Even further away from the Tull I knew. After a while Ian was more and more the only attraction on the stage that moved (and he had been doing less and less of that every year since 71!) and when Martin came out to do his solos it gave me a little of the "old feeling" that warmed my heart and hurt my ears.
My point is........that when somebody says "Ian is Tull!" I can only go along and agree because HE'S THE ONLY ONE LEFT FROM TULL!!! Everyone comes at this from different perspectives and points in time, I completely understand. The guys Ian is playing with are a very very good group of guys but they bring nothing to the equation (for me) without Ian. The Tull of yon most certainly did but they are long gone. So if you must "Ian is Tull"...hows that? I said it. Just please stop trying to make it okay by constantly pointing out "Ians total genius" and it doesn't matter who are his "back-up band" It used to. (or calling Martin "Ian's bitch", jeez) I have my ticket.......for Ian. And I can't wait to see what Martin puts together. Darin Cody (Pardon my venting here but I've been reading without comment for sometime so I've been saving it up.)
Re: Martin Barre Interview in Goldmine « Reply #41 on Jun 26, 2012, 3:39pm »
Darin,
Putting the genius thing aside, the reality is that from the time Mick left the band, Ian has been the creative force behind it, and the others have always been in a supporting role. Yes there was more to watch in the old days, there was more energy, but the quality of material and playing is much higher now.
The sad fact is, and few seem to want to address it, is Martin has not demonstrated any creativity on his own, in Tull and outside, just look at the sad attempt to be a cover band for Ian's music. It is time to leave the nest, he can't.
You say you can't wait to see what he does, and that is the problem, you'll be waiting a long time for anything original beyond him covering Ian's stuff.
I agree totally TM. The first time I saw Tull (An accident of birth) the stage was full of characters and yes Ian was the centerpiece but he was augmented by a great cast. The band remained the same for 4 years and I thought it always looked like a 3 ring circus, you could sit and watch either one for quite a while, that was fantastic, hilarious and dangerous to my hearing. Jeffery Hammond was all over that stage, as much as Ian was. Jeffery's replacement was dead by the time I'd started warming up to him. Glascock was a great bass player and a perfect replacement BUT...it was not the Tull I knew. Then came Pegg, a fantastic player and great wit (one of my favorites) but he stood like a stone on the stage! Even further away from the Tull I knew. After a while Ian was more and more the only attraction on the stage that moved (and he had been doing less and less of that every year since 71!) and when Martin came out to do his solos it gave me a little of the "old feeling" that warmed my heart and hurt my ears.
My point is........that when somebody says "Ian is Tull!" I can only go along and agree because HE'S THE ONLY ONE LEFT FROM TULL!!! Everyone comes at this from different perspectives and points in time, I completely understand. The guys Ian is playing with are a very very good group of guys but they bring nothing to the equation (for me) without Ian. The Tull of yon most certainly did but they are long gone. So if you must "Ian is Tull"...hows that? I said it. Just please stop trying to make it okay by constantly pointing out "Ians total genius" and it doesn't matter who are his "back-up band" It used to. (or calling Martin "Ian's bitch", jeez) I have my ticket.......for Ian. And I can't wait to see what Martin puts together. Darin Cody (Pardon my venting here but I've been reading without comment for sometime so I've been saving it up.)
Well Said Darin Those days of yon were special when they happened and I loved it too. My feelings were always tested each time the Tull line-up changed.
Every album since Tull began, the best part has always been the unexpected. Die Hard Tull Fans can appreciate how long it takes to really feel close to the new guys. New members like David Goodier, John O'Hara, Florian Opahle, and even Scott Hammond. Even now with this great album, we all have old favorites that can never be topped.
Anyone that does not consider them members of Tull must have been sleeping since 2007. I won't complain a bit as long as the great music continues. We have it so good it hurts.
Putting the genius thing aside, the reality is that from the time Mick left the band, Ian has been the creative force behind it, and the others have always been in a supporting role. Yes there was more to watch in the old days, there was more energy, but the quality of material and playing is much higher now.
The quality of the playing may be better and the material may be better but the performance always suffers because of Ian's vocals.
The sad fact is, and few seem to want to address it, is Martin has not demonstrated any creativity on his own, in Tull and outside, just look at the sad attempt to be a cover band for Ian's music.
What Martin brings to the table is obvious.
And I don't see why anyone would have a problem with Martin playing the songs he enjoys from the Tull catalog. Had he selected a singer like Paul Forrest, it would have been very interesting.
You say you can't wait to see what he does, and that is the problem, you'll be waiting a long time for anything original beyond him covering Ian's stuff.
I guess you aren't aware that Martin just released a new CD to go with his 3 other CD's?
And I'm willing to wager Martin comes out with another CD sooner than it took Ian to release TAAB2 off his previous solo album - 9 years.
Putting the genius thing aside, the reality is that from the time Mick left the band, Ian has been the creative force behind it, and the others have always been in a supporting role. Yes there was more to watch in the old days, there was more energy, but the quality of material and playing is much higher now.
The sad fact is, and few seem to want to address it, is Martin has not demonstrated any creativity on his own, in Tull and outside, just look at the sad attempt to be a cover band for Ian's music. It is time to leave the nest, he can't.
You say you can't wait to see what he does, and that is the problem, you'll be waiting a long time for anything original beyond him covering Ian's stuff.
Nags, I get that you don't like Martin Barre.........so what. You could name 50 guitarists that could blow him away musically?.......so what. He's the guy "I" enjoyed seeing with Tull. That was the only point I was making. Sad it's not so anymore. Besides......how many guitarists could Ian convince to come share the stage with that limited little gravelly voice of his? He's probably paying Florian and the guys more than they were getting at whatever they were doing before. If Ian makes me cringe listening to him trying to sing "Songs From The Wood" on one night, I wonder what it would be like to be up there on stage every night trying to play your best.
I will settle for this kind of stuff all night long.
Putting the genius thing aside, the reality is that from the time Mick left the band, Ian has been the creative force behind it, and the others have always been in a supporting role. Yes there was more to watch in the old days, there was more energy, but the quality of material and playing is much higher now.
The sad fact is, and few seem to want to address it, is Martin has not demonstrated any creativity on his own, in Tull and outside, just look at the sad attempt to be a cover band for Ian's music. It is time to leave the nest, he can't.
You say you can't wait to see what he does, and that is the problem, you'll be waiting a long time for anything original beyond him covering Ian's stuff.
It comes down to whether the composer, the visionary, is more integral to the whole than the players who breath life into the vision.
In my opinion (clearly not shared by all), the vision trumps the players. The world is full of excellent session musicians....most of whom will never be any more than that. Do people remember Beethoven, or the first violin?
Re: Martin Barre Interview in Goldmine « Reply #47 on Jun 26, 2012, 8:59pm »
OK let's deal with the facts.
I never said I don't like Martin, I do, and have in over 65 shows over the last 40+ years on both sides of the ocean. I enjoyed the same three ring circus described above, and his passion for playing Ian's music. But he does not stand up on his own, and I think much of the energy of old was more the Blackpool boys than Martin. The decline in the performances is due to age and the departure of JHH, JE, and BB. Let's not forget Martin was there all along, so it can't be put on Ian alone.
Ian's voice sucks, I have said this before, but mostly I go to hear them play music, in some ways his lack of voice has forced him to be a better player.
Everyone always says what Martin brings to the table is obvious but they don't point to specifics, because Martin has failed to provide them amo. The only reason people see him as integral to Tull is because he has been a fixture. Had Ian swapped him out with the othersaround the A album, this discussion would be different.
Darin as to his output, let's be real, here is a man complaining about regurgitation and he releases a cd with old shit, and three questionable additions. As for the speed of his material, the reality is that TAAB2 came out in less time since Rupi than any offering of new materials Martin will deliver.
Let's not forget the orchestral cd, the solo tours, the Rubbing Elbows. All the while Martin sitting on his laurels, doing nothing musically other than playing Ian's (please lets not talk about Excalibur), never complaining about the set list, never stretching his musical wings, never anything. All of a sudden he gets fired, yes an asshole move, but it's show biz, he always said he an Ian were all business, he didn't suffer the romantic illusions some on this board do. All of a sudden he has the need to get involved in his musical career, but with what? Now he is gonna go on the road with the legends, do five of Ian's songs with a new organ grinder, same act for him. I unders
The issue is would there be a Tull without Ian, no. Would there be a Tull without Martin, he'll ya!
I want him to succeed, but he won't on his current path, he needs to move past Ian's music, and then he can talk. For now he needs to put up, or shut up!
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Re: Martin Barre Interview in Goldmine « Reply #49 on Jun 26, 2012, 11:39pm »
Damn, we're getting some super fierce opinions rolling from both "sides"...
Nags, you make some good points but you need to realize in most recent interviews Martin has been pretty polite about the whole situation. Now there is this particular one where he states his disinterest in talking about the matter, the interviewer persists, and he let's loose a few thoughts rolling around in his head. How many times in life have you lost your tongue and said exaggerated things about someone, especially when the person your talking to tries to get it out of you. Don't tell me you haven't, it's human nature. I know I have--you could probably find posts on this very Board where I have. In a sense you pretty much just did that.
I don't think you or I would deserve to be called out and ran down ruthlessly by people we don't know for it. Funny how we are so incredibly opinionated in these forums, then as soon as Martin runs his tongue in an interview he's made out to be a bigot.
Can anyone say anything about Martin Barre around here without someone puckering up to Ian's ass? Geez!
And others trying to conclude that because Mr. golden locks can copy Martin's style that anybody can do his job.
Martin thanks you all for brushing him off so quickly after so long.. How could you blame Martin for not doing much else musically? he's been chained to Ian like a slave for 45 years.
Jim I guess I've been asleep since 2007 because I will not consider hired musicians as JETHRO TULL.
John you are very emotional about this. I'm sure you've been puckering up to Martin for a long time too.
Mr. Golden Locks (Florian) has played with Ian since 2003. He has his own style. This is 2012 so I assume you realize how times have changed. Ian has a new album. Martin has his greatest hits with some rehashed Tull tunes and Excalibur part 2.
It doesn't matter what you call it. Jethro Tull or Ian/Tull or Candy Coloured Rain. This is the best music made in 2012 with or without Sir Martin Barre. I'm not brushing anyone off. I eagerly await his new tour and hopefully NEW album with NEW material.
Now about Master Ian and his loyal Slave Martin. Have you been watching "Gone with the Wind"? My wife loves that movie, but it's just a movie.
If you can find a store that sells Bee Pollen Caps, that should help with the sleeping problem. I don't like caffeine or Red Bull or 5 hour energy drinks. P.S. I love all the Tull Videos you have created and hope to see more.
Putting the genius thing aside, the reality is that from the time Mick left the band, Ian has been the creative force behind it, and the others have always been in a supporting role. Yes there was more to watch in the old days, there was more energy, but the quality of material and playing is much higher now.
The sad fact is, and few seem to want to address it, is Martin has not demonstrated any creativity on his own, in Tull and outside, just look at the sad attempt to be a cover band for Ian's music. It is time to leave the nest, he can't.
You say you can't wait to see what he does, and that is the problem, you'll be waiting a long time for anything original beyond him covering Ian's stuff.
It comes down to whether the composer, the visionary, is more integral to the whole than the players who breath life into the vision.
In my opinion (clearly not shared by all), the vision trumps the players. The world is full of excellent session musicians....most of whom will never be any more than that. Do people remember Beethoven, or the first violin?
I agree with most of what your saying here BUT there's a difference between a session player that's hired to learn a song verbatim from a recording (as their doing with TAAB right now, very well I might add) and someone who has to translate a spoken idea into music ala the guys that recorded those records. Their input is a a big bunch of fingerprints all over Ian's songs, he's said as much in recent years, Barrie on TAAB has been talked about. This can't be understated or overlooked. One set of musicians may have caused Ian's songs to take on one set of characteristics over another. Ian was not a "writer" in a strict musical sense like a Zappa or even a Beethoven. Zappa has said many times that the people in the band played an important role in how a song came out. The difference being that Frank allowed for a lot of improv whereas Tulls was more limited, more over time as new people came in acting as session players. Now they all are. The fact that Martin was still a member was probably more and more uncomfortable for him as he had become part of a Tull "hit machine" on tour thru the late 90's into the 00's. Yes we are all here because Ian is one of the most unique writers and performers in rock. As he loses his voice we might and do hope he relies more on the instrumental side of Tull, that would be an acceptable path to me and to have one or some of the original "fingerprints" to help in that regard....but no. Ian seems to be stubbornly pushing forward as a singer songwriter that can't really sing anymore. I only hope that Ian has the good sense to not perform SFTW ever again. I hope I don't sound like I'm on a "side" here. I think this arguing is pretty silly. I like to think I can read pretty well and I have never heard or read Martin Barre whining or complaining about Ian or being fired. I've only heard him trying to promote his own project and beset by questions about what's happened..... I'm patient I'm sure at some point Martin will "put up" Darin Cody
Can anyone say anything about Martin Barre around here without someone puckering up to Ian's ass? Geez! Ian vs. Martin! ding ding! Anytime there's a mention of Martin or his disappointment of being fired after 45 years, there's Nags to rip him some more. Never hear from him otherwise, only to rip on Martin. If you like him so much Nags why not cut him a little slack. "Put up or Shut up" I think we've heard that one enough? Maybe you should just take half that advice. And others trying to conclude that because Mr. golden locks can copy Martin's style that anybody can do his job. Martin thanks you all for brushing him off so quickly after so long..How could you blame Martin for not doing much else musically? he's been chained to Ian like a slave for 45 years. Martin is a guitar player not a composer! Why are you always trying to compare the two? The only reason Ian hired Martin in the first place was so he could mold him. Well he didn't have to, Martin quickly came up with his own unique style and tone which enhanced Ian, Tull and the other members he played off. Who knows if the Aqualung lead was played a little differently maybe Tull never becomes as big? "Ian is Tull", "Ian is Tull"?.. well just compare the records with the real band to the records after the band was fired. It's a no brainer. Once the real band was fired the band was NEVER the same. The one shining light though was MARTIN! Not Ian and his Kissing Willie compositions. I'm sorry for those of you who didn't get it. Jim I guess I've been asleep since 2007 because I will not consider hired musicians as JETHRO TULL. I'll love seeing Ian perform always regardless of his voice or his shitty attitude towards his loyal fans but I am through with the revolving door of musicians. Once you get used to them they're gone! Ian said it himself without Martin there is "NO TULL" You would think Martin could complain a little bit? For the most part it's been the interviewers pushing the topic, I haven't heard Martin bring it up himself once. I think he said "i don't really want to discuss it".. You have no clue what went down but we can all bet that Ian was probably a bit of a nasty cunt! At least Martin isn't telling fans to literally "fuck off" and "shoot themselves" at the concerts . Ian jumped the shark bigtime boys! Still love him, but cut the Barre Man some serious slack PU-LEASE!
I never said I don't like Martin, I do, and have in over 65 shows over the last 40+ years on both sides of the ocean. I enjoyed the same three ring circus described above, and his passion for playing Ian's music. But he does not stand up on his own, and I think much of the energy of old was more the Blackpool boys than Martin. The decline in the performances is due to age and the departure of JHH, JE, and BB. Let's not forget Martin was there all along, so it can't be put on Ian alone.
Ian's voice sucks, I have said this before, but mostly I go to hear them play music, in some ways his lack of voice has forced him to be a better player.
Everyone always says what Martin brings to the table is obvious but they don't point to specifics, because Martin has failed to provide them amo. The only reason people see him as integral to Tull is because he has been a fixture. Had Ian swapped him out with the othersaround the A album, this discussion would be different.
Darin as to his output, let's be real, here is a man complaining about regurgitation and he releases a cd with old shit, and three questionable additions. As for the speed of his material, the reality is that TAAB2 came out in less time since Rupi than any offering of new materials Martin will deliver.
Let's not forget the orchestral cd, the solo tours, the Rubbing Elbows. All the while Martin sitting on his laurels, doing nothing musically other than playing Ian's (please lets not talk about Excalibur), never complaining about the set list, never stretching his musical wings, never anything. All of a sudden he gets fired, yes an asshole move, but it's show biz, he always said he an Ian were all business, he didn't suffer the romantic illusions some on this board do. All of a sudden he has the need to get involved in his musical career, but with what? Now he is gonna go on the road with the legends, do five of Ian's songs with a new organ grinder, same act for him. I unders
The issue is would there be a Tull without Ian, no. Would there be a Tull without Martin, he'll ya!
I want him to succeed, but he won't on his current path, he needs to move past Ian's music, and then he can talk. For now he needs to put up, or shut up!
The Martin assasin strikes yet again Sound just like a broken record with a needle stuck in the groove Give it a rest FFS!!!
Putting the genius thing aside, the reality is that from the time Mick left the band, Ian has been the creative force behind it, and the others have always been in a supporting role. Yes there was more to watch in the old days, there was more energy, but the quality of material and playing is much higher now.
The sad fact is, and few seem to want to address it, is Martin has not demonstrated any creativity on his own, in Tull and outside, just look at the sad attempt to be a cover band for Ian's music. It is time to leave the nest, he can't.
You say you can't wait to see what he does, and that is the problem, you'll be waiting a long time for anything original beyond him covering Ian's stuff.
Nags, I get that you don't like Martin Barre.........so what. You could name 50 guitarists that could blow him away musically?.......so what. He's the guy "I" enjoyed seeing with Tull. That was the only point I was making. Sad it's not so anymore. Besides......how many guitarists could Ian convince to come share the stage with that limited little gravelly voice of his? He's probably paying Florian and the guys more than they were getting at whatever they were doing before. If Ian makes me cringe listening to him trying to sing "Songs From The Wood" on one night, I wonder what it would be like to be up there on stage every night trying to play your best.
I will settle for this kind of stuff all night long.
Or this
Or
Darin
By golly I think Darin totally "get's it!" AWESOME VIDS!
Actually Jim I moved on about this long ago but every time i drop in it's the same ol' shit for months now. Major Martin bashing. This is supposed to be where the real TULL fans are? Give him a break huh? I like TAAB2 but it's just a good Ian solo record. The Ian band is not Jethro Tull! Those are facts blah blah blah. They are decent enough guys who will do what they are told and play the music just as Ian wants them too but why all the gushing for a hired backup band?
Leif Garrett has been with Ian since 2003? Well it's 2012 and he sounds just like Martin Barre. It's 2012 and there is No Barre, just his exact style and sound.
Why do you want a NEW Martin solo record so bad? So you can bash it and compare to Ian's masterpieces? A new Martin solo record is just more amo for Yourself and Nags. I don't wish to have to kiss Martin's ass either but I also don't want is his past 45 years of work (which i enjoyed) to be diminished and brushed off because someone can totally nick his style.
If you guys love Ian and his fab new band so much then why do you spend so much time hammering Martin Barre? You're foolishly trying to compare martin to Ian as writers. Nobody here is that stoopid are they? I can only imagine that you know it frustrates some of us who actually liked him all along.
Now Pucker Up! ;D
Nice It occurs to me that the understanding of my true feelings is somehow lost. I don't bash Martin for anything other than complaining about Ian's voice or set lists.
I don't recall ever bashing Martin's albums before, but you may know I have all of them except the new compilation album. I even have live Willie Porter and Martin Barre on cd plus Willie Porter and Tull. I don't even have the Ian Collection which came out several years ago.
Now as for Leif Opahle, you seem a little miffed about his Rock n' Roll Hair. Maybe I think he just looks like someone that cares about what he is doing more than others. That is why I like him and his beautiful Gibson Les Paul ( Custom ) E-Gitarre. His contribution to Tull is being made now and it does not matter what anyone else calls it.
I don't try to be personal except to remind everyone what has evolved over 44 years. Some of us want to go backward in time, some of us do not.
[quote author=tulltapes board=band thread=2999 post=26280 time=1340825828][size=2]Now as for Leif Opahle, you seem a little miffed about his Rock n' Roll Hair. Maybe I think he just looks like someone that cares about what he is doing more than others. That is why I like him and his beautiful Gibson Les Paul ( Custom ) E-Gitarre. [/b]
Re: Martin Barre Interview in Goldmine « Reply #58 on Jun 27, 2012, 7:27pm »
My two cents not that it matters I never thought I would hear this kind of shall we say disturbing conversation going on about Martin. I have far better things to do than want to participate in all of this bashing. I think I will sit this one out for awhile longer and see if this resolves it self. I have to say without Martin there is no Tull Ian said so in a 1993 interview. So is this now the Ian Anderson board or the Jethro Tull board, because the way this sounds is that there can not be both. Sad to say I will take a break from all of this,I have met a lot a great folks here, I will still drop by from time to time.
Actually Jim I moved on about this long ago but every time i drop in it's the same ol' shit for months now. Major Martin bashing. This is supposed to be where the real TULL fans are? Give him a break huh? I like TAAB2 but it's just a good Ian solo record. The Ian band is not Jethro Tull! Those are facts blah blah blah. They are decent enough guys who will do what they are told and play the music just as Ian wants them too but why all the gushing for a hired backup band?
Leif Garrett has been with Ian since 2003? Well it's 2012 and he sounds just like Martin Barre. It's 2012 and there is No Barre, just his exact style and sound.
Why do you want a NEW Martin solo record so bad? So you can bash it and compare to Ian's masterpieces? A new Martin solo record is just more amo for Yourself and Nags. I don't wish to have to kiss Martin's ass either but I also don't want is his past 45 years of work (which i enjoyed) to be diminished and brushed off because someone can totally nick his style.
If you guys love Ian and his fab new band so much then why do you spend so much time hammering Martin Barre? You're foolishly trying to compare martin to Ian as writers. Nobody here is that stoopid are they? I can only imagine that you know it frustrates some of us who actually liked him all along.
Now Pucker Up!
If we can get past the selective reading, and deal with facts, you’ll see that the only times I jump in and criticize Martin is when he plays the “woe is me” role. In the process presenting himself as some sort of champion for Tull fans, left to be abused by Ian and his endless regurgitation. He does not speak for Tull fans, and I don’t like his patronizing. I find it dishonest and disingenuous, first in November he suggested that he left he is out because of among other things the set lists, then he tells us he was fired. I don’t like to be played, and that is what he is doing. What is back firing is that solid track record for doing nothing. Again, he tells his fans he is going to the USA in May to talk gigs, then he reports on Facebook what a great time he had driving around the country side, what happened to the gigs?
Let’s be real, few people miss Martin, if you took everyone on this board, we would fill maybe two rows at a 2012 Tull gig, take out those of us who see this as the latest iteration of an evolving band, and frankly not many left.
As for what Ian said in 1993, please, how many divorces have taken place by board members since?
Being someone who creates content, I can understand why Ian told those who don’t like what he is doing to fuck off, over the years he has always said that he is out to please himself creatively, it is just a good thing it aligns with his band’s fans. All the talk about TAAB2, poor Martin and all that just distracts from the issue at hand, the music. Again, had he been discarded in the 1979 purge, this discussion woul not take place, but he stuck around, why?
Again, I like Martin, he is a god guitar guy, but he has to shut up, and do something.
Tulltapes, I think the he has been cut a lot of slack, but just refuses to take advantage of it, which is why the whinging is so boring, and I would argue what I thought was beneath him. As for puckering up, do you think they are looking to replace Martin for that too? But I guess absent facts, it is what one can expect, yup, you’re a Martin kinda guy.
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And others trying to conclude that because Mr. golden locks can copy Martin's style that anybody can do his job. Martin thanks you all for brushing him off so quickly after so long..How could you blame Martin for not doing much else musically? he's been chained to Ian like a slave for 45 years. Martin is a guitar player not a composer! Why are you always trying to compare the two? The only reason Ian hired Martin in the first place was so he could mold him. Well he didn't have to, Martin quickly came up with his own unique style and tone which enhanced Ian, Tull and the other members he played off. Who knows if the Aqualung lead was played a little differently maybe Tull never becomes as big? "Ian is Tull", "Ian is Tull"?.. well just compare the records with the real band to the records after the band was fired. It's a no brainer. Once the real band was fired the band was NEVER the same. The one shining light though was MARTIN! Not Ian and his Kissing Willie compositions. I'm sorry for those of you who didn't get it. Jim I guess I've been asleep since 2007 because I will not consider hired musicians as JETHRO TULL. I'll love seeing Ian perform always regardless of his voice or his shitty attitude towards his loyal fans but I am through with the revolving door of musicians. Once you get used to them they're gone! Ian said it himself without Martin there is "NO TULL" 
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