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Re: Martin Barre update « Reply #120 on Oct 13, 2011, 8:58am »
Mix
I can see and understand where you are coming from, but I do think that we are prone to always jumping to the it's Ian's fault argument too often........ know I've been there as part of that troupe, but there are probably many influences that have contributed to this position,
Maybe Martin simply isn't interested in the band anymore as a regular part of his day to day life, and the 'nostalgia' approach that has been with the band for sometime.
Maybe Ian wants to have some fresh blood around him?
Maybe Martin doesn't want to even promote the band anymore, he does seem to have played less and less a part in that over recent years. Maybe hewants less involvement in something that many of us clearly seeing him having a pivotal role in.
Martin seems to clearly enjoy his life as it is, and maybe Tull is a distraction to how he wants to llive his life now. It's paid the bills over the years and if he believes that he no longer needs Tull on a regular basis then this may have fuelled his decision not to join in, if indeed that is the reason why he is not on board for this tour.
It may be Ian's decision to do this with Florian, simply to take it out on the road in a different form, maybe it's Ian's way of saying good-bye to Tull the band but trying to resurrect some of the catalogue to make it interesting to the punter in the hall.
I suppose there is the cynical view as well that it's all about money, Florian is cheaper than Martin, [though I don't recall seeing this stated as a fact anywhere] and re-hashing old material is cheaper than pushing out new stuff, but I'm trying to take a positive line here in saying that for whatever reason the fact is Martin isn't on the gig, Ian has promised a high standard of show, and there are other things in the pipeline which will address the lack of new material and offer some satisfaction to the old school who simply want old material made available.
I am not expecting a rehash of the TaaB I know and love, but I am setting a relatively high standard in what I expect to see and hear on this tour, I want to see a decent show, and I want to hear as high a quality of performance as I used to expect of Tull and Ian. I have no reason to doubt that we'll get something to remember at this stage.
Ian hasn't been able to sing the title track well for years let alone the entire album.
Good point. This is one of those songs that Ian has struggled with for years.
I can't imagine him singing the "do you believe" part.
For those that don't listen to bootlegs, the "Do you believe in the Day" section of TAAB was never played in the original 72 shows. After Barries drum solo and the descent into the "Oh fluffy duck" strobe light improve routine ending with "A cat crapt in a crypt", the song picks up again with "Well let me help you to pick up your dead" even abbreviating this section a bit. So to my knowledge, the very pretty "Do you believe in the day" has never SEEN the light of day. Anyone ever heard it performed anywhere? Since it also relies heavily on long sustained (clear) vocals I'm wondering if Ian plans on now including it? (somehow) Wish he could. Darin
Good point. This is one of those songs that Ian has struggled with for years.
I can't imagine him singing the "do you believe" part.
For those that don't listen to bootlegs, the "Do you believe in the Day" section of TAAB was never played in the original 72 shows. After Barries drum solo and the descent into the "Oh fluffy duck" strobe light improve routine ending with "A cat crapt in a crypt", the song picks up again with "Well let me help you to pick up your dead" even abbreviating this section a bit. So to my knowledge, the very pretty "Do you believe in the day" has never SEEN the light of day. Anyone ever heard it performed anywhere? Since it also relies heavily on long sustained (clear) vocals I'm wondering if Ian plans on now including it? (somehow) Wish he could. Darin
I can see and understand where you are coming from, but I do think that we are prone to always jumping to the it's Ian's fault argument too often........ know I've been there as part of that troupe, but there are probably many influences that have contributed to this position,
Maybe Martin simply isn't interested in the band anymore as a regular part of his day to day life, and the 'nostalgia' approach that has been with the band for sometime.
Maybe Ian wants to have some fresh blood around him?
Maybe Martin doesn't want to even promote the band anymore, he does seem to have played less and less a part in that over recent years. Maybe hewants less involvement in something that many of us clearly seeing him having a pivotal role in.
Martin seems to clearly enjoy his life as it is, and maybe Tull is a distraction to how he wants to llive his life now. It's paid the bills over the years and if he believes that he no longer needs Tull on a regular basis then this may have fuelled his decision not to join in, if indeed that is the reason why he is not on board for this tour.
It may be Ian's decision to do this with Florian, simply to take it out on the road in a different form, maybe it's Ian's way of saying good-bye to Tull the band but trying to resurrect some of the catalogue to make it interesting to the punter in the hall.
I suppose there is the cynical view as well that it's all about money, Florian is cheaper than Martin, [though I don't recall seeing this stated as a fact anywhere] and re-hashing old material is cheaper than pushing out new stuff, but I'm trying to take a positive line here in saying that for whatever reason the fact is Martin isn't on the gig, Ian has promised a high standard of show, and there are other things in the pipeline which will address the lack of new material and offer some satisfaction to the old school who simply want old material made available.
I am not expecting a rehash of the TaaB I know and love, but I am setting a relatively high standard in what I expect to see and hear on this tour, I want to see a decent show, and I want to hear as high a quality of performance as I used to expect of Tull and Ian. I have no reason to doubt that we'll get something to remember at this stage.
stick with the faith young man!
There you go again Pat. Your Logic is impeccable........Ditto!
For those that don't listen to bootlegs, the "Do you believe in the Day" section of TAAB was never played in the original 72 shows. After Barries drum solo and the descent into the "Oh fluffy duck" strobe light improve routine ending with "A cat crapt in a crypt", the song picks up again with "Well let me help you to pick up your dead" even abbreviating this section a bit. So to my knowledge, the very pretty "Do you believe in the day" has never SEEN the light of day. Anyone ever heard it performed anywhere? Since it also relies heavily on long sustained (clear) vocals I'm wondering if Ian plans on now including it? (somehow) Wish he could. Darin
Interesting Darin, I never knew that.
I also never knew they were saying "fluffy duck!"
Paul...you never did Jeffery's cross word puzzle in the TAAB paper? Shame on you They gave a lot of clues during that segment of the TAAB show. Boy I have to find the xerox (Hahah I just typed xerox instead of copy!!! brainwashed) that I made so I could write on it.....I'm old, my memory is slipping. Darin
Paul...you never did Jeffery's cross word puzzle in the TAAB paper? Shame on you They gave a lot of clues during that segment of the TAAB show. Boy I have to find the xerox (Hahah I just typed xerox instead of copy!!! brainwashed) that I made so I could write on it.....I'm old, my memory is slipping. Darin
No, I never did that either! My original TAAB didn't come with the paper and I'm not sure if it was in the gate fold.
And don't worry calling copies xerox's. Just don't call 'em dittos.
Paul...you never did Jeffery's cross word puzzle in the TAAB paper? Shame on you They gave a lot of clues during that segment of the TAAB show. Boy I have to find the xerox (Hahah I just typed xerox instead of copy!!! brainwashed) that I made so I could write on it.....I'm old, my memory is slipping. Darin
No, I never did that either! My original TAAB didn't come with the paper and I'm not sure if it was in the gate fold.
And don't worry calling copies xerox's. Just don't call 'em dittos.
TM,
T. As a B. Crossword and connect the dots for the kiddies;
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Re: Martin Barre update « Reply #129 on Oct 13, 2011, 9:29pm »
For those that don't listen to bootlegs, the "Do you believe in the Day" section of TAAB was never played in the original 72 shows. After Barries drum solo and the descent into the "Oh fluffy duck" strobe light improve routine ending with "A cat crapt in a crypt", the song picks up again with "Well let me help you to pick up your dead" even abbreviating this section a bit. So to my knowledge, the very pretty "Do you believe in the day" has never SEEN the light of day. Anyone ever heard it performed anywhere? Since it also relies heavily on long sustained (clear) vocals I'm wondering if Ian plans on now including it? (somehow) Wish he could. Darin [/quote]
The release of TAAB (Newspaper and record) and the tour to support it occured when I was 16 years old and I was as big a Tull fan as there ever was. The band was creative, explosive, hilarious and mind-bending. The best musicians and performers of any rock band.
I'm amused when Ian refers somewhat sheepishly to that "progressive" stage of their early career, implying that the band long ago outgrew that naiive "conept" phase and is much more mature and sophisticated today...
They were ten times the band then than they are today, and Ian must know it, after all he was there when they were selling out the world's largest venues several nights in a row.
I have tremendous admiration for Ian Anderson, but he has maintained for decades that he has no time or inclination for nostalgia, yet he's putting all of his stock into 40 year old creations rather than putting his genius to work on new music.
I applaud Martin for wanting to try something different.
What happened 40 years ago was magical, and cannot be done justice today.
For those that don't listen to bootlegs, the "Do you believe in the Day" section of TAAB was never played in the original 72 shows. After Barries drum solo and the descent into the "Oh fluffy duck" strobe light improve routine ending with "A cat crapt in a crypt", the song picks up again with "Well let me help you to pick up your dead" even abbreviating this section a bit. So to my knowledge, the very pretty "Do you believe in the day" has never SEEN the light of day. Anyone ever heard it performed anywhere? Since it also relies heavily on long sustained (clear) vocals I'm wondering if Ian plans on now including it? (somehow) Wish he could. Darin
The release of TAAB (Newspaper and record) and the tour to support it occured when I was 16 years old and I was as big a Tull fan as there ever was. The band was creative, explosive, hilarious and mind-bending. The best musicians and performers of any rock band.
I'm amused when Ian refers somewhat sheepishly to that "progressive" stage of their early career, implying that the band long ago outgrew that naiive "conept" phase and is much more mature and sophisticated today...
They were ten times the band then than they are today, and Ian must know it, after all he was there when they were selling out the world's largest venues several nights in a row.
I have tremendous admiration for Ian Anderson, but he has maintained for decades that he has no time or inclination for nostalgia, yet he's putting all of his stock into 40 year old creations rather than putting his genius to work on new music.
I applaud Martin for wanting to try something different.
What happened 40 years ago was magical, and cannot be done justice today.
I can see and understand where you are coming from, but I do think that we are prone to always jumping to the it's Ian's fault argument too often........ know I've been there as part of that troupe, but there are probably many influences that have contributed to this position,
Maybe Martin simply isn't interested in the band anymore as a regular part of his day to day life, and the 'nostalgia' approach that has been with the band for sometime.
Maybe Ian wants to have some fresh blood around him?
Maybe Martin doesn't want to even promote the band anymore, he does seem to have played less and less a part in that over recent years. Maybe hewants less involvement in something that many of us clearly seeing him having a pivotal role in.
Martin seems to clearly enjoy his life as it is, and maybe Tull is a distraction to how he wants to llive his life now. It's paid the bills over the years and if he believes that he no longer needs Tull on a regular basis then this may have fuelled his decision not to join in, if indeed that is the reason why he is not on board for this tour.
It may be Ian's decision to do this with Florian, simply to take it out on the road in a different form, maybe it's Ian's way of saying good-bye to Tull the band but trying to resurrect some of the catalogue to make it interesting to the punter in the hall.
I suppose there is the cynical view as well that it's all about money, Florian is cheaper than Martin, [though I don't recall seeing this stated as a fact anywhere] and re-hashing old material is cheaper than pushing out new stuff, but I'm trying to take a positive line here in saying that for whatever reason the fact is Martin isn't on the gig, Ian has promised a high standard of show, and there are other things in the pipeline which will address the lack of new material and offer some satisfaction to the old school who simply want old material made available.
I am not expecting a rehash of the TaaB I know and love, but I am setting a relatively high standard in what I expect to see and hear on this tour, I want to see a decent show, and I want to hear as high a quality of performance as I used to expect of Tull and Ian. I have no reason to doubt that we'll get something to remember at this stage.
stick with the faith young man!
Quizz, I admire your faith. I'll hold on for the next album but I just can't get excited about living in the past. Of course its Ian's call and its wonderful that he still wants to play live. Its just not so wonderful that he stopped moving forward in favor of moving backward. The word that comes to mind is Dwindling.
Quizz, I admire your faith. I'll hold on for the next album but I just can't get excited about living in the past. Of course its Ian's call and its wonderful that he still wants to play live. Its just not so wonderful that he stopped moving forward in favor of moving backward. The word that comes to mind is Dwindling.
Mix,
I still have some issues about 'dwindling'in the past, I don't have any problems revisiting classic albums, esepcially TaaB, but as you said it's Ian's call and as long as we get a good baalnce of material I can live with a little dwindling now and then.
I am more confident now than for a long time previous that we will see some action through 2012 and 2013 in terms of new material and possibly more. My 'renewed' faith, if that's what I can call it, is because i am trying to spur myself on at the moment by a desire to get a few things under my belt and try to look at a lot of things, including the influence of Tull and Ian's work, in a slightly more positive light.
Ian and tull have kept me entertained for the most of my life, I might as well see the positive in letting it be part of the rest of it....but I think I may have lost sight in the past of how high Ian had set that bar before.
The release of TAAB (Newspaper and record) and the tour to support it occured when I was 16 years old and I was as big a Tull fan as there ever was. The band was creative, explosive, hilarious and mind-bending. The best musicians and performers of any rock band.
I'm amused when Ian refers somewhat sheepishly to that "progressive" stage of their early career, implying that the band long ago outgrew that naiive "conept" phase and is much more mature and sophisticated today...
They were ten times the band then than they are today, and Ian must know it, after all he was there when they were selling out the world's largest venues several nights in a row.
I have tremendous admiration for Ian Anderson, but he has maintained for decades that he has no time or inclination for nostalgia, yet he's putting all of his stock into 40 year old creations rather than putting his genius to work on new music.
I applaud Martin for wanting to try something different.
What happened 40 years ago was magical, and cannot be done justice today.
I can't disagree with you Matt. But I was 10 during TAAB so I missed out on it.
And I know when I see Ian perform it 2012 he can never do the original justice. But he will take us back to that earlier time of incredible music and there will indeed be moments of that "magic."
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Re: Martin Barre update « Reply #134 on Oct 14, 2011, 1:25pm »
It's a pity Ian didn't release some more studio albums over the past few years but the way i see it is that i would prefer to see a special album once every 10 years than a huge pile of average ones.Im just thankful for the music that Ian and Jethro Tull have left behind them.
Good point. This is one of those songs that Ian has struggled with for years.
I can't imagine him singing the "do you believe" part.
For those that don't listen to bootlegs, the "Do you believe in the Day" section of TAAB was never played in the original 72 shows. After Barries drum solo and the descent into the "Oh fluffy duck" strobe light improve routine ending with "A cat crapt in a crypt", the song picks up again with "Well let me help you to pick up your dead" even abbreviating this section a bit. So to my knowledge, the very pretty "Do you believe in the day" has never SEEN the light of day. Anyone ever heard it performed anywhere? Since it also relies heavily on long sustained (clear) vocals I'm wondering if Ian plans on now including it? (somehow) Wish he could. Darin
I do not recall hearing that part of TAAB as well on any of the bootlegs and recordings I have of it.
So Darin thanks for this tidbit of info now I will have to go back and listen to all of them...
As other have pointed out, Ian has struggled mightily with his vocals on parts of TAAB in recent years. Other nights are noticeably better then others. I still think it will be a treat to see it performed live. It will just be hard not to see on Stage Left Mr Martin Barre
Re: Martin Barre update « Reply #138 on Oct 19, 2011, 10:02am »
Jethro Tull without Martin Barre is not Jethro Tull anymore. And it seems that the show in Munich (31st July 2011) was the very last real Tull show - WITH Martin and Doane!
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Re: Martin Barre update « Reply #139 on Oct 22, 2011, 10:30am »
Neither Martin or Doane have said that there leaving the band.There just taking a year off for various reasons.Please god Martin will be back in 2013.It would be nice to have Doane back too but so long as you have Martin it will always be Jethro Tull.
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