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Mar 27, 2012 11:08:36 GMT -5
Post by jtul07 on Mar 27, 2012 11:08:36 GMT -5
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Mar 27, 2012 13:14:59 GMT -5
Post by Tullabye on Mar 27, 2012 13:14:59 GMT -5
Love to see Ian and his guitar rather than his flute. Not only is it a great picture but i think he often underestimates the public's opinion of his guitar work.
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Mar 27, 2012 14:16:19 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 27, 2012 14:16:19 GMT -5
Hi all, my first post here. I've been a Tull fanatic since Benefit. Just had to register to say the new one is f'n fantastic! He's done it again in a big way. who'd a thunk. More later when i get some free time.
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Mar 27, 2012 14:17:16 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 27, 2012 14:17:16 GMT -5
I was going to rest my ears for a while, but what the hell- I'll stream it again!
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Mar 27, 2012 15:53:35 GMT -5
Post by Jioffe on Mar 27, 2012 15:53:35 GMT -5
1st ImpressionsThey say you never get a second chance to make a first impression, well I think this album is good enough to do that, so I'll review this review again when I get my hands on the CD. And I'll save that full review until I've sat in the comfort of the home doing as Ian suggests, listening with a couple of beers to hand and a troupe of wild lady pole dancers even closer......OK, he didn't suggest the latter, but I get to call the shots in my house [Well, until Mrs Q finds out] I was sort of hooked from the start, as the opening chords echoed the intermisison chords used between side 1 and side 2 of TaaB 1. The album is more a journey through the back catalogue in terms of style rather than a revisit to pick up where TaaB 1 left off, which is no downer, believe me. Getting the negatives out of the way first. A few tracks were a little too 'Rupi' for me, but even they were not to be dismissed. One was similar to one of my most least liked of all Tull songs, but again, it didn't disappoint in the context of the album. A Change of Horses is a truly great song, but I suppose because it's been out there in the ether for so long it's familiarity detracted from listening to a substantially new body of work, but that feeling is personal and I'm sure will diminish as the whole piece beds in with me. I think the guitar work could easily have been handled by Martin, but I presume the sound of one player isn't the be all and end all to the composer. I suppose Ian is probably looking at the coherency and solidity of the whole band and the whole composition to deliver something of this scale. Stand out tracks for me so far on first hearing Banker Bets, Banker Wins Old School Song & Wooton Basset Town The Power and The Spirit Give 'til it hurts Cosy Corner/Shunt and Shuffle - so reminiscent of Locomotive Breath that gets referenced Confessional - Probably my current favourite Kismet in Suburbia, a stand out song All in all, on first hearing a pretty great return and a bloody good album to return with. Concept - Yes, Prog - Not quite sure, A continuous piece of music like TaaB 1 - Not in my book, But, an album that will get very many plays now and in the future in Chez Quizz Nice review, Pat! Not a million miles away from my own first impressions. Didn't have a very good experience with the stream, though. Firstly, I wasn't able to get to it, via the Mrs's account, till 6.30, i.e. 1.5 hours beyond the 24. Not even knowing if the links would still be active, I was delighted when the page came up OK and I settled back waiting for the music to start. Nothing happened. After about 10 minutes waiting, I decided to click on the next track, the Pebbles Instrumental, and it played! Oh joy! I then heard another 4 or 5 tracks before the following one wouldn't play. Eventually I got to hear about half when the stream went and nothing would play! Giving up all hope of hearing it all, I went off to do something else when I discovered I'd had a problem with my broadband, sorted that out and got back on Facebook in time to hear the tracks I'd missed and a few repeats before passing out for the night! So I heard the whole album, on shuffle, in a far from relaxed or attentive state - and still really liked it! BUT... I couldn't help thinking as I was listening, how Martin would have done this. I've no problem with Florian. I think he's a wonderfully talented and capable guitarist - the highlight of the Canterbury Cathedral concert for me was his version of Bach's Toccata and Fugue - and he does a great job with the lead breaks and power chords but what I've always loved Tull for, and one of the key aspects that set them apart for me, is Martin's fills and incidentals. They were always so perfect, they were obvious. And, on one garbled hearing, that's what seems irreplaceable. It's not a Tull album and it should have been a Tull album but it is the next best thing. Cheers, Jioffe.
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Mar 27, 2012 17:59:52 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 27, 2012 17:59:52 GMT -5
Wooton Bassett Town is an incredible song. Starts out so somber but builds to what seems to me a ferocious building of anger at the sensless nature of war. Nice reuse of a Heavy Horses melody.
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Mar 27, 2012 18:01:22 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 27, 2012 18:01:22 GMT -5
Did anyone spot the Aqualung musical quote. It's pretty subtle and took me couple of double takes to hear it.
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Mar 27, 2012 19:12:45 GMT -5
Post by TM on Mar 27, 2012 19:12:45 GMT -5
Did anyone spot the Aqualung musical quote. It's pretty subtle and took me couple of double takes to hear it. Yes I heard it. I forget where it's at now though....
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Mar 27, 2012 23:13:24 GMT -5
Post by Nonfatman on Mar 27, 2012 23:13:24 GMT -5
Hi all, my first post here. I've been a Tull fanatic since Benefit. Just had to register to say the new one is f'n fantastic! He's done it again in a big way. who'd a thunk. More later when i get some free time. Welcome to The Jethro Tull Board, "bassackwards".... we'd like to know your first name, if that's okay with you, because I'd rather not call you bassackwards all the time! (It's okay if you prefer not, though). We think we've got a good thing going, and that you're going to like it here a lot! I've been reading your posts about the new album, and I agree that it's better than we could have ever expected, and I think that's especially true about the lyrics and the various "Gerald" stories woven into the theme. Unlike some of the more lighthearted IA releases, this is something we can really sink our teeth into! Looking forward to chatting with you here, and if you are on FB, send us a friend request and we will add you to the "parallel universe" we've got going over there! Jeff
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Mar 27, 2012 23:16:28 GMT -5
Post by Nonfatman on Mar 27, 2012 23:16:28 GMT -5
I was going to rest my ears for a while, but what the hell- I'll stream it again! I didn't realize they still had it running today. I was only able to listen one time through, and not under the best of circumstances, with screaming kids in the background. By now the FB stream has probably ended, so I guess I'll just have to wait another five days or so. Jeff
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Mar 27, 2012 23:17:57 GMT -5
Post by Nonfatman on Mar 27, 2012 23:17:57 GMT -5
Did anyone spot the Aqualung musical quote. It's pretty subtle and took me couple of double takes to hear it. I didn't notice that, but like I said, I was listening under adverse circumstances. Where can that be found? Jeff
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Mar 27, 2012 23:19:45 GMT -5
Post by Karma 41 on Mar 27, 2012 23:19:45 GMT -5
I can't stand it anymore. I'm listening for the second time and I keep thinking ... this is impossible. This might be as near a perfect album as Ian has ever put out. Is this really possible? The creativity, the lyrics, the flow of the music from section to section is ... I am beyond words. I mean, Ian has even managed to, not only 'get by' with his vocals, but actually have them exist as elements that ADD to the creative flow. I don't know and maybe I am delusional, but for those who haven't yet heard it, you are in for one hell of a life altering treat.. I cannot believe what Ian has managed to accomplish at 63 years old. This is a classic. PS: I hope I don't regret posting this in a week.
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Mar 27, 2012 23:35:31 GMT -5
Post by Oldghost on Mar 27, 2012 23:35:31 GMT -5
Listened to the whole thing for several times now. Lets speculate a bit and say this is Tull album, even if it isn't. As such I must admit it's way better than the last studio effort "Dot.Com", but I won't even try to compare it to original Taab cause it's obviously quite different musicaly. Also, it doesn't really deliver that continuous piece feel, even if I take in consideration that stream version wiped out the links between songs and that there are several theme reprises. It appears to me more like a collection of separate songs. Overall I like it very much. It's a mixture between classic Tull and Ian's solo stuff with some nice surprises thrown in. Flute work isn't so extremely to the fore anymore, but this might be a good thing here, so there is enough space for other musicians to introduce themselves. My only complaint is that the arrangements should have been made richer and production more adventurous. I can't get rid of the feeling, that there is often alot of empty space within the sound picture.( Didn't Ian say that electric guitar was recorded on only one track through the entire album?) Also in some places music sounds quite live, the fact from which the live versions will benefit the most, I guess. On the other hand it's not extremely proggish, although I would dare to say that some sections are clearly flirting with rock opera style. Spoken parts are maybe overused, but then again they don't harm too much, because for the most part they're done quite nicely. So, all in all, very solid stuff, although not sensational, but we really can't wish anything better from the poor old bugger who lives just down the road, can we? And now some short impressions about 17 sections: 1.) From A Pebble Thrown: Good enough start. I just don't like that initial keyboard intrusion which is recorded in a very raw manner and turns out a bit amateurish. 2.) Pebbles instrumental: I'm still struggling with this one. Reminiscent of "Eurology" and "Boris dancing" style. 3.) Might-Have-Beens: Still wondering if this was necessary. 4.) Upper Sixth Loan Shark: I really like the beggining only. Otherwise "Set-Aside 2". 5.) Banker Bets, Banker Wins: After listening the sample only, this one has grown on me as a full piece. Echoes of very classic Tull. (theme maybe overused through entire album....some fresh melodies might have been better option) 6.) Swing It Far: Nice melody, but alternating subtle parts with aggressive rocking might work on some other Tull songs, but definitely not here imo.. And there is another "but"....the ending section of this song is maybe my favourite candy on the entire record. This kind of moments really makes you think: " Is there anyone else who can do this the way Ian does?" 7.) Adrift And Dumfounded: Although already familiar from live shows, this one might be my favourite as it's very consistent and overall well done. Somehow reminiscent of "Beside Myself". My only complaint is that keyboard arrangement worked much better in earlier live version. 8.) Old School Song: Revisiting the original. Nice cheerful chorus, but I've never been a huge fan of pumping rhythm. 9.) Wootton Bassett Town: I'm not sure if I can be fully comfortable with keyboard sound patterns, but this song certainly convinced me with it's dramatic growth structure. Also thumb up for Ian's vocals on this one! 10.) Power and spirit: This time the jump from acoustic intro to rockish ground does the trick! 11.) Give Till It Hurts: What a pleasant refreshment, but unfortunately way too short. Ian should develop this a bit more because it really works. 12.) Cosy Corner: I never thought I will actualy like this. Very spirited and warm. Also hats off to John for horns arrangement. 13.) Shunt And Shuffle: I'm really sorry guys, but what I'm going to say will probably turn out as a blasphemy.....this one could have been an outtake from almost any Tull record. Wasn't "Beltane" an outtake as well? 14.) A Change Of Horses: I think we all agree this is basicaly a great song....yet it could have been done much better in many aspects - instrumentation, arrangements, production... 15.) Confessional: I like it....simple as that! 16.) Kismet In Suburbia: Simply, one of the best tracks on the album... 17.) What-Ifs, Maybes, Might-Have-Beens: ...but this one is not! Overall 7/10
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Mar 27, 2012 23:42:40 GMT -5
Post by Nonfatman on Mar 27, 2012 23:42:40 GMT -5
Great review, Old Ghost, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your 7/10 rating. I think your "solid but not sensational" description applies to the music, I agree with that rating, but as for the concept, lyrics and theme, those aspects I feel are sensational, and I would rate those things 10/10.
I just really love the lyrics on this album. They are a far cry from the cats, coffee and tropical beaches of SLOB and Rupi, which had a certain idle quality. Those lyrics, though mostly excellent on SLOB and about half of Rupi, didn't quite cut it for me.
Jeff
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Mar 28, 2012 0:10:59 GMT -5
Post by Oldghost on Mar 28, 2012 0:10:59 GMT -5
Great review, Old Ghost, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your 7/10 rating. I think your "solid but not sensational" description applies to the music, I agree with that rating, but as for the concept, lyrics and theme, those aspects I feel are sensational, and I would rate those things 10/10. I just really love the lyrics on this album. They are a far cry from the cats, coffee and tropical beaches of SLOB and Rupi, which had a certain idle quality. Those lyrics, though mostly excellent on SLOB and about half of Rupi, didn't quite cut it for me. Jeff Yes, Jeff, you asumed correctly. It was all about musical aspects. I still have to dig a bit more into the lyrical concept and I'm looking forward to it.
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Mar 28, 2012 9:29:57 GMT -5
Post by My God on Mar 28, 2012 9:29:57 GMT -5
Heritage plaque for Bowie/Ziggy in Heddon Street London to celebrate the location of the Ziggy cover phot shot. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17524227Next one outside St Cleve Town Hall for Ian/Gerald? Let the lobbying begin Ian and Gerald. What a team! Something odd here. The more I look at these two pics, the more they seem the same. (Check The Eyes) Hmmmmmmmm......could be. Every morning....pressure forming.
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Mar 28, 2012 10:10:14 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 28, 2012 10:10:14 GMT -5
Thanks and Hi Jeff, My name is Jer. Hey Mr. Monkey, The Aqualung quote is in Adrift and Dumfounded.
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Mar 28, 2012 10:24:16 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 28, 2012 10:24:16 GMT -5
Nice guitar touch by Florian at the end of Kismet, psychedelia?
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Mar 28, 2012 14:26:38 GMT -5
Post by Jioffe on Mar 28, 2012 14:26:38 GMT -5
In view of many people's comments and my own first impressions, should the album more rightfully be called, "What-ifs, Maybes, Might-have-beens"? Cheers, Jioffe.
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Mar 28, 2012 18:44:44 GMT -5
Post by Geoff CB on Mar 28, 2012 18:44:44 GMT -5
Flute work isn't so extremely to the fore anymore, but this might be a good thing here, so there is enough space for other musicians to introduce themselves. Good and honest review, Oldghost. I seem to remember Jioffe and myself (Ge-off???) used to be quite vocal (in a keyboard way) about the "flute to the fore" that had pervaded Tull and IA releases. So this will be a good thing, and I'll up your 7/10 to 8/10 if that holds true!
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Mar 28, 2012 18:53:08 GMT -5
Post by Tullabye on Mar 28, 2012 18:53:08 GMT -5
Flute work isn't so extremely to the fore anymore, but this might be a good thing here, so there is enough space for other musicians to introduce themselves. Good and honest review, Oldghost. I seem to remember Jioffe and myself (Ge-off???) used to be quite vocal (in a keyboard way) about the "flute to the fore" that had pervaded Tull and IA releases. So this will be a good thing, and I'll up your 7/10 to 8/10 if that holds true!
GeoffMaybe a bit harsh....at least 8/10 in my book.
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Mar 28, 2012 19:38:44 GMT -5
Post by TM on Mar 28, 2012 19:38:44 GMT -5
Listened to the whole thing for several times now. Lets speculate a bit and say this is Tull album, even if it isn't. As such I must admit it's way better than the last studio effort Dot.Com, but I won't even try to compare it to original Taab cause it's obviously quite different musicaly. Also, it doesn't really deliver that continuous piece feel, even if I take in consideration that stream version wiped out the links between songs and that there are several theme reprises. It appears to me more like a collection of separate songs. Overall I like it very much. It's a mixture between classic Tull and Ian's solo stuff with some nice surprises thrown in. Flute work isn't so extremely to the fore anymore, but this might be a good thing here, so there is enough space for other musicians to introduce themselves. My only complaint is that the arrangements should have been made richer and production more adventurous. I can't get rid of the feeling, that there is often alot of empty space within the sound picture.( Didn't Ian say that electric guitar was recorded on only one track through the entire album?) Also in some places music sounds quite live, the fact from which the live versions will benefit the most, I guess. On the other hand it's not extremely proggish, although I would dare to say that some sections are clearly flirting with rock opera style. Spoken parts are maybe overused, but then again they don't harm too much, because for the most part they're done quite nicely. So, all in all, very solid stuff, although not sensational, but we really can't wish anything better from the poor old bugger who lives just down the road, can we? And now some short impressions about 17 sections: 1.) From A Pebble Thrown: Good enough start. I just don't like that initial keyboard intrusion which is recorded in a very raw manner and turns out a bit amateurish. 2.) Pebbles instrumental: I'm still struggling with this one. Reminiscent of Eurology or Boris dancing style. 3.) Might-Have-Beens: Still wondering if this was necessary. 4.) Upper Sixth Loan Shark: I really like the beggining only. Otherwise Set-Aside 2. 5.) Banker Bets, Banker Wins: After listening the sample only, this one has grown on me as a full piece. Echoes of very classic Tull. (theme maybe overused through entire album....some fresh melodies might have been better option) 6.) Swing It Far: Nice melody, but alternating subtle parts with aggressive rocking might work on some other Tull songs, but definitely not here imo.. And there is another "but"....the ending section of this song is maybe my favourite candy on the entire record. This kind of moments really makes you think: " Is there anyone else who can do this the way Ian does?" 7.) Adrift And Dumbfounded: Although already familiar from live shows, this one might be my favourite as it's very consistent and overall well done. Somehow reminiscent of Beside Myself. My only complaint is that keyboard arrangement worked much better in earlier live version. 8.) Old School Song: Revisiting the original. Nice cheerful chorus, but I've never been a huge fan of pumping rhythm. 9.) Wootton Bassett Town: I'm not sure if I can be fully comfortable with keyboard sound patterns, but this song certainly convinced me with it's dramatic growth structure. Also thumb up for Ian's vocals on this one! 10.) Power and spirit: This time the jump from acoustic intro to rockish ground does the trick! 11.) Give Till It Hurts: What a pleasant refreshment, but unfortunately way too short. Ian should develop this a bit more because it really works. 12.) Cosy Corner: I never thought I will actualy like this. Very spirited and warm. Also hats off to John for horns arrangement. 13.) Shunt And Shuffle: I'm really sorry guys, but what I'm going to say will probably turn out as a blasfemy.....this one could have been an outtake from almost any Tull record. Wasn't Beltane an outtake as well? 14.) A Change Of Horses: I think we all agree this is basicaly a great song....yet it could have been done much better in many aspects - instrumentation, arrangements, production... 15.) Confessional: I like it....simple as that! 16.) Kismet In Suburbia: Simply, one of the best tracks on the album... 17.) What-Ifs, Maybes, Might-Have-Beens: ...but this one is not! Overall 7/10 Nice review. I'm going to wait until I have the CD in hand before I give my .02 but my initial thoughts of it are very similar to yours.
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Mar 28, 2012 20:40:01 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 28, 2012 20:40:01 GMT -5
Some thoughts on Brick 2 in a half drunk stuper. I'll go out on a limb and give it a 10, ie compared to other music. In the Tull/ Anderson annals I still give it a 10. Concept gives it more cohesivness than brick 1 or PP. It's not so off the wall. (Brick 1` is my favorite music of all time). Lyrics, not overly clever, but I like the directness. Music, not as profound as Brick 1 (no orgasms) but actually holds my attention better and has very few plodding spots. Clever intermingling of Brick 1 themes and oftentimes rather subtle. Love the use of HH melody, and can hear some nice use of Farm on the Freeway at some powerful spots. This music is made to be played live and feels like the 5-6musicians can pull it off rather well if Ian's voice holds up. Oh yeah, Ian's voice. Best in years and even with some loss of dexterity is still quite expressive and no one else could sing this. Warmer than ever! Contrary to popular opinion I like the spoken parts, though not wild about Shunt and Shuffle. They really don't seem intrusive at all in this context, which is more like a Tommy or Quadrophenia. I don't mind it's not such a flow like Brick 1, it's a totally different animal. It probably will be compared to Quadrophenia, remember O'hara orchestrated it? and the other voice, actor, what's his name, played a lead role. More blasphemy, I like that Martin is not involved. I luv Martin. But I think that the difference in the sound gives it more freshness to my ears. I think Martin is incredible, but his runs tend to get a little stale, (don't hurt me). Thank youse for being here. None of the old gang seem to have the time for such things as Tull (the passion or our youth) any more.
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Mar 28, 2012 21:08:28 GMT -5
Post by Bassackwards on Mar 28, 2012 21:08:28 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot to say, most of these songs are crafted so well- highs and lows, different voices, reprises in different volumns and pitches. ebb and flow adds so much interest.
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Mar 28, 2012 21:31:28 GMT -5
Post by jtul07 on Mar 28, 2012 21:31:28 GMT -5
Wednesday March 28, 2012 Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson Thick as a Brick 2 Sequels are as common as joblessness and high gas prices these days, but they usually come within a few years of the original release. Think: "The Hangover". For a longer time frame George Lucas comes to mind as he has created sequels spread over a couple of decades with a prequel included as well for his epic "Star Wars" series. However, it's now quite likely Ian Anderson is now the record holder for the longest time between sequels involving the same person with the release of "Thick As a Brick II". "Same person" could be applied to both Ian and our once little protagonist. After forty years (40!) Ian has found an uber-creative way to postulate how little Gerald Bostock's life might have turned out. Instead of picking one pathway for Bostock's life, Anderson has instead offered several possibilities from a greedy banker to a televangelist to a "common" workaday man struggling to make ends meet. Remarkably, Anderson and his chosen band for the programs, not Jethro Tull proper, will perform the pieces back to back on an extensive US tour beginning September 29 in Durham, NC and culminating November 2 in Chicago, IL. Rockline host, Bob Coburn, settled into a Los Angeles area studio on a recent Thursday morning and spoke at length with Anderson who was in the London evening eight hours ahead in time about the detail and intellect involved in resurrecting such a complex project; one that happens to be four decades ago. Coburn called the conversation one of the most engaging of his 'Bostockish' career and claimed the music might actually leave the first TAAB a wee bit wanting. No need to call for this one, the eight hour time difference made the decision for us. Otherwise it would have been, "Ian, do you mind being in a studio at 4:30am to answer calls on Rockline?" He could have slept in until 3:30 or so. Engaging, fascinating, stimulating and downright interesting, you'll enjoy this time spent with the erudite, salmon farming, flautist and lyricist for a project which took half of a lifetime to come to fruition. It's Ian Anderson on the next ROCKLINE for "Thick as a Brick...too".
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