housebrick One of the Youngest of the Family member is offline
Joined: Apr 2012 Gender: Male Posts: 70
Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #60 on Apr 15, 2012, 5:46am »
Oh dear just checked the IAN ANDERSON WEBSITE. Massive tour lined up worldwide only 1 date sold out. NO UK DATES SOLD OUT TOUR ALREADY STARTED. Tull would have sold out many dates by now
Prompter One of the Youngest of the Family member is offline
Joined: Mar 2012 Gender: Male Posts: 94 Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #61 on Apr 15, 2012, 6:06am »
That article from 'Prog' is a very interesting read, and is much more in line with what everybody involved (Ian Anderson included) have been saying in numerous interviews since '72 until maybe last year. I would probably sell my soul for a ticket if the tour was to be played by the original line-up. I sincerely hope that the *ahem* [drum and organ] parts for "Brick 1" are not in any way simplified on the ongoing tour.
Regarding Martin Barre's tour, while visiting London in late February I was happy to see that his gig had been sold out. His touring line-up is very interesting too, I'll probably squeeze up some money for a ticket (and gas!) if they come to Germany or Italy.
I admire your continuous positivity Jim. I am also thrilled that Ian is producing new good material. Whatever it took to get him there I wish were different circumstances..but it is what it is..
It all makes sense to me after being a Tull Fan for 39 years, that we have nothing to complain about. Jethro Tull was never John, Paul, George, and Ringo. The chances of a reunion of original members however emotionally appealing, did not happen. If Ian is an asshole, he has earned that privilege with me. Even when he whines about the audience being enthusiastic. I might be one too when I hit 64 or 65, if I am blessed to reach that magical age.
Martin does not need Ian to make great music. Martin Barre is always the best guitarist in my opinion. He created his sound and style from what turned him on listening to other great guitarists (Hendrix, Clapton, Jimmy Page, Bo Diddley).
Florian Opahle is doing his own style as well, no matter what others think about it. Maybe Ian likes Florian more because he is younger and absorbs the music faster, who knows? Maybe Ian likes Florian because his long blond hair brings out more grandmothers after the show. (Young Grandmothers)
Martin had that opportunity years ago, now it's up to Florian to deliver the goods. So far I like what is happening. Florian is the guitarist that keeps Ian wanting to create new music. I think I'll start a Florian Fan Club thread. Has a nice ring to it?
Oh dear just checked the IAN ANDERSON WEBSITE. Massive tour lined up worldwide only 1 date sold out. NO UK DATES SOLD OUT TOUR ALREADY STARTED. Tull would have sold out many dates by now
Yeah Martins not missed my arse!!!!
The Ian/Tull website is always the last place for current news. North Carolina shows were sold out in less than a week. I am sure there are ticket scalpers that would love my tickets. I wouldn't sell these tickets to anyone. (Period)
My lingering comments were made right after reading Martin and Barrimore's recent quotes. (Which did not sit well). A result of my reoccurring disappointment that my 2 heroes and that chemistry have split and probably for good & the reality of why? Ian has been going budget on everything since Ken Wiley left (or was fired??) Maybe that's not all it but it's part of it. And the fact that many people i talk to don't even know the other guy's names say's a lot (I know Jim knows them all though
I think Martin does make a difference in record and concert sales. The difference being "Ian Anderson" vs "Jethro Tull". Unless of course you call it "thick as a brick part 2" then it will sell just as much as it would have anyway. Do I believe Ian shouldn't make this move because I like Martin?
I don't believe that I am the only one who likes and respects Martin. I certainly know that his greatness goes way beyond the solo for Aqualung. So this business move involves replacing the main other Tull contributor who is adored by MANY fans. I don't have to be happy about it. I am not paying to see a business move live in concert.. Good for Ian. Too bad for fans like me who consider Martin as a longtime friend almost like a family member. Ian's having his selfish Roger Waters moment. Great. I will take it for what it is and enjoy it while I can. But I do have trouble with it from time to time.
>First lets acknowledge the work you have done for the Tull community(?)
Didn't make that statement looking for acknowledgment. Just want those who know me through my various (insignificant as they are)Tull projects over the years to let me vent about this without giving me too much grief.
Erin, I agree with your feelings about all of this, and you've got every right to fully air your opinions on this Board, as do nags and others who might disagree.
That would be true even if you weren't as extensively involved with the Tull community as you are, through your youtube videos, stellar guitar playing in Living With the Past, and ongoing participation on this and various other Tull fan sites over the course of many years.
His chops may be rusty but he would have gotten into shape during this tour and Martin was ready and able.
I think this and your above response just validates that it was not a money thing. You Barrie, and I agree they could have raked in more bucks with Barre there, so it seems it wasn't budget. As for the rest, if you were not at the table you are speculating.
BTW, good move on Martin's part not to regurgitate old Tull stuff on his CD, just to regurgitate his old stuff.
His chops may be rusty but he would have gotten into shape during this tour and Martin was ready and able.
I think this and your above response just validates that it was not a money thing. You Barrie, and I agree they could have raked in more bucks with Barre there, so it seems it wasn't budget. As for the rest, if you were not at the table you are speculating.
BTW, good move on Martin's part not to regurgitate old Tull stuff on his CD, just to regurgitate his old stuff.
You seem to be very good at speculating as well.
You remind me of a recent member that was anti-Martin too. He's no longer here but at least it's nice knowing you're not alone amongst Tull fans.
I think this and your above response just validates that it was not a money thing. You Barrie, and I agree they could have raked in more bucks with Barre there, so it seems it wasn't budget. As for the rest, if you were not at the table you are speculating.
BTW, good move on Martin's part not to regurgitate old Tull stuff on his CD, just to regurgitate his old stuff.
You seem to be very good at speculating as well.
You remind me of a recent member that was anti-Martin too. He's no longer here but at least it's nice knowing you're not alone amongst Tull fans.
It is not about being anti-Martin, I like Martin, he is cute, a good guitarist, and has made some good music, for the most part written by Ian.
What I am saying is that things change, not always the way we want them to, but they change. The question then becomes it the result good. I think for the most part all agree that TAAB2 is good, the best in a long time. So I don't see the need to tear it down day in and day out, because your player is no longer on the team. And let's not overlook the school boy way Martin handled things, especially since he was all business not too long ago.
I don't see how I am speculating, I am not making unsupported statements about why things turned out the way they had, I am just saying that while I may miss Martin, I am open to hearing the new guitarist, who is good. Why shit on the team and the win just because your guy is not on the pitch.
I am not sure what other member you are talking about, would be good to meet him/her, but for the most part people here on the board and in the real world, seem to be enjoying the music. They are not getting into crap like budgets, opinions of people who have not been in the band for 30 plus years, etc. I just find it bizarre to read shit like Tulltapes and his sidekick Brickhouse say on the board, you have to wonder once you stop laughing.
I don't pretend Ian is an angel, but let's not pretend Martin was hard done by, or is missed in the scheme of TAAB2 things, and the more you read this stuff about where Tull is now vs. then, you just have to inject reality into the conversation.
So everyone has had their say, if you don't want to talk about the music, and just want to cry in your beer about a past member of Tull, then so be it, but don't take offence to someone presenting a counterpoint.
You remind me of a recent member that was anti-Martin too. He's no longer here but at least it's nice knowing you're not alone amongst Tull fans.
It is not about being anti-Martin, I like Martin, he is cute, a good guitarist, and has made some good music, for the most part written by Ian.
What I am saying is that things change, not always the way we want them to, but they change. The question then becomes it the result good. I think for the most part all agree that TAAB2 is good, the best in a long time. So I don't see the need to tear it down day in and day out, because your player is no longer on the team. And let's not overlook the school boy way Martin handled things, especially since he was all business not too long ago.
I don't see how I am speculating, I am not making unsupported statements about why things turned out the way they had, I am just saying that while I may miss Martin, I am open to hearing the new guitarist, who is good. Why shit on the team and the win just because your guy is not on the pitch.
I am not sure what other member you are talking about, would be good to meet him/her, but for the most part people here on the board and in the real world, seem to be enjoying the music. They are not getting into crap like budgets, opinions of people who have not been in the band for 30 plus years, etc. I just find it bizarre to read shit like Tulltapes and his sidekick Brickhouse say on the board, you have to wonder once you stop laughing.
I don't pretend Ian is an angel, but let's not pretend Martin was hard done by, or is missed in the scheme of TAAB2 things, and the more you read this stuff about where Tull is now vs. then, you just have to inject reality into the conversation.
So everyone has had their say, if you don't want to talk about the music, and just want to cry in your beer about a past member of Tull, then so be it, but don't take offence to someone presenting a counterpoint.
Well Lags you talk copper plated bollox my friend. If you actually read what Barrie has stated this is the reason why TAAB1 was special, band member input and chemistry. Musiciains giving a FREE REIGN meant better END RESULT.
TAAB2 is not in the same league by a country mile. True its 1 of Andersons best efforts in years (its 1 of his only efforts FFS).
TAAB2 is Mechanical ,lacking Passion and quite frankly its got some real rubbish on it. The HAir Metal Guitar work doesnt even gel with the feel of the songs,which are all repetative versions of Valley,Beside Myself,Rock Island etc As much as i Respect Ian ,his creative song writing dried up years ago.
It has only a few songs that 'could' have made decent Tull songs with Barre and Perry playing.
You say Barre has only done 1 great thing -Aqaulung. Have you actually heard Crest Of A Knave (the last great Tull/Anderson) offering.
Its 90% content is Barre that makes the album so special,his guitar work is breathtaking . There is NOTHING on TAAB2 that comes anywhere close. This is the album Tull won a grammy for. You clearly no NOTHING about guitar playing.
Anyway go put your Florian Shirt on im off for a LAGG.
It is not about being anti-Martin, I like Martin, he is cute, a good guitarist, and has made some good music, for the most part written by Ian.
What I am saying is that things change, not always the way we want them to, but they change. The question then becomes it the result good. I think for the most part all agree that TAAB2 is good, the best in a long time. So I don't see the need to tear it down day in and day out, because your player is no longer on the team. And let's not overlook the school boy way Martin handled things, especially since he was all business not too long ago.
I don't see how I am speculating, I am not making unsupported statements about why things turned out the way they had, I am just saying that while I may miss Martin, I am open to hearing the new guitarist, who is good. Why shit on the team and the win just because your guy is not on the pitch.
I am not sure what other member you are talking about, would be good to meet him/her, but for the most part people here on the board and in the real world, seem to be enjoying the music. They are not getting into crap like budgets, opinions of people who have not been in the band for 30 plus years, etc. I just find it bizarre to read shit like Tulltapes and his sidekick Brickhouse say on the board, you have to wonder once you stop laughing.
I don't pretend Ian is an angel, but let's not pretend Martin was hard done by, or is missed in the scheme of TAAB2 things, and the more you read this stuff about where Tull is now vs. then, you just have to inject reality into the conversation.
So everyone has had their say, if you don't want to talk about the music, and just want to cry in your beer about a past member of Tull, then so be it, but don't take offence to someone presenting a counterpoint.
Well Lags you talk copper plated bollox my friend. If you actually read what Barrie has stated this is the reason why TAAB1 was special, band member input and chemistry. Musiciains giving a FREE REIGN meant better END RESULT.
TAAB2 is not in the same league by a country mile. True its 1 of Andersons best efforts in years (its 1 of his only efforts FFS).
TAAB2 is Mechanical ,lacking Passion and quite frankly its got some real rubbish on it. The HAir Metal Guitar work doesnt even gel with the feel of the songs,which are all repetative versions of Valley,Beside Myself,Rock Island etc As much as i Respect Ian ,his creative song writing dried up years ago.
It has only a few songs that 'could' have made decent Tull songs with Barre and Perry playing.
You say Barre has only done 1 great thing -Aqaulung. Have you actually heard Crest Of A Knave (the last great Tull/Anderson) offering.
Its 90% content is Barre that makes the album so special,his guitar work is breathtaking . There is NOTHING on TAAB2 that comes anywhere close. This is the album Tull won a grammy for. You clearly no NOTHING about guitar playing.
Anyway go put your Florian Shirt on im off for a LAGG.
I will also not insult Martin by asking if that is you, as has been asked of me.
You know I would say that you are an idiot, but that would insult idiots around the world.
Well Lags you talk copper plated bollox my friend. If you actually read what Barrie has stated this is the reason why TAAB1 was special, band member input and chemistry. Musiciains giving a FREE REIGN meant better END RESULT.
TAAB2 is not in the same league by a country mile. True its 1 of Andersons best efforts in years (its 1 of his only efforts FFS).
TAAB2 is Mechanical ,lacking Passion and quite frankly its got some real rubbish on it. The HAir Metal Guitar work doesnt even gel with the feel of the songs,which are all repetative versions of Valley,Beside Myself,Rock Island etc As much as i Respect Ian ,his creative song writing dried up years ago.
It has only a few songs that 'could' have made decent Tull songs with Barre and Perry playing.
You say Barre has only done 1 great thing -Aqaulung. Have you actually heard Crest Of A Knave (the last great Tull/Anderson) offering.
Its 90% content is Barre that makes the album so special,his guitar work is breathtaking . There is NOTHING on TAAB2 that comes anywhere close. This is the album Tull won a grammy for. You clearly no NOTHING about guitar playing.
Anyway go put your Florian Shirt on im off for a LAGG.
I will also not insult Martin by asking if that is you, as has been asked of me.
You know I would say that you are an idiot, but that would insult idiots around the world.
Just an observation here fellows.
Every opinion is welcome and even encouraged here, but any type of name calling or personal attacks will be addressed immediately and duly deleted.
Self expression and debate is also welcome and in no way do we want to alienate anyone here.
I personally love Martin's contributions and I feel his mark on the Tull sound is undeniable.
However, I respect anyone who embraces new boy , Florian and no one can be mad at him for signing on to play with the legendary Ian Anderson.
I will also not insult Martin by asking if that is you, as has been asked of me.
You know I would say that you are an idiot, but that would insult idiots around the world.
Just an observation here fellows.
Every opinion is welcome and even encouraged here, but any type of name calling or personal attacks will be addressed immediately and duly deleted.
Self expression and debate is also welcome and in way do we want to alienate anyone here.
I personally love Martin's contributions and I feel his mark on the Tull sound is undeniable.
However, I respect anyone who embraces new boy , Florian and no one can be mad at him for signing on to play with the legendary Ian Anderson.
Now keep contributing but play the fuck nice.
Dan
Will do dad, I just get passionate about being in the present, rather than the past. I will not call anyone on this board an idiot again, even when they are.
Every opinion is welcome and even encouraged here, but any type of name calling or personal attacks will be addressed immediately and duly deleted.
Self expression and debate is also welcome and in no way do we want to alienate anyone here.
I personally love Martin's contributions and I feel his mark on the Tull sound is undeniable.
However, I respect anyone who embraces new boy , Florian and no one can be mad at him for signing on to play with the legendary Ian Anderson.
Now keep contributing but play the fuck nice.
Dan
Well said Dan. Let's be less personal although it seems a good discussion at times. The time has come for good times and more music. Martin has New Day. Ian has TAAB 2. I still want a Martin and Florian shirt.
Tulltapes Tribute Guitarist Extraordinaire member is offline
I thank everybody for making me welcome
Joined: Apr 2011 Gender: Male Posts: 774 Location: WNY
Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #73 on Apr 15, 2012, 11:06pm »
Nags (Florian?) you can call me whatever you like if it makes you feel good. I don't really need or want to debate this with you anyway. It's pointless. I may get a little passionate sometimes about the music but I won't be getting into cyber pissing matches, or name calling with virtual Tull fans. I like to think that if we had a discussion in person you wouldn't start calling me an idiot. Maybe i'm wrong? Think whatever you want about my opinions though.
Well Lags you talk copper plated bollox my friend. If you actually read what Barrie has stated this is the reason why TAAB1 was special, band member input and chemistry. Musiciains giving a FREE REIGN meant better END RESULT.
TAAB2 is not in the same league by a country mile. True its 1 of Andersons best efforts in years (its 1 of his only efforts FFS).
TAAB2 is Mechanical ,lacking Passion and quite frankly its got some real rubbish on it. The HAir Metal Guitar work doesnt even gel with the feel of the songs,which are all repetative versions of Valley,Beside Myself,Rock Island etc As much as i Respect Ian ,his creative song writing dried up years ago.
It has only a few songs that 'could' have made decent Tull songs with Barre and Perry playing.
You say Barre has only done 1 great thing -Aqaulung. Have you actually heard Crest Of A Knave (the last great Tull/Anderson) offering.
Its 90% content is Barre that makes the album so special,his guitar work is breathtaking . There is NOTHING on TAAB2 that comes anywhere close. This is the album Tull won a grammy for. You clearly no NOTHING about guitar playing.
Anyway go put your Florian Shirt on im off for a LAGG.
I will also not insult Martin by asking if that is you, as has been asked of me.
You know I would say that you are an idiot, but that would insult idiots around the world.
Not called you Florian ,Lags my good friend I would return the compliment but that lowers me to your level.
Ive read all Lags posts and the are deliberately antagonising and argumentative. There is nothing constructive at all what he says. You get people like this in life unforunately,they are best ignored,very sad
I think he is another former poster 'singe' who is no longer on here very similar grammar and post content.
Nothing wrong with discussing past vs present Standards have been set by the once great Tull.
Ian is leaning very heavily on the past with his latest offering,fine by me but its got to live up to it or near as dammit,it dont i.m.o.
I stand by my comments re Barre,he is a True Genius on the guitar just as equally Ian is a true genius also. Ian did not write Barres guitar parts for him. Listen to some of the demos on utube especially Crest,they are just rough ideas that needed expanding by Barre and Peggs input etc
There would have been no great Tull music without Barre FACT!!!
This is a budget diluted version of the once great Tull FACT!!!
Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #77 on Apr 16, 2012, 12:37pm »
I can understand fans feeling sad/annoyed at Martin's absence but - looking at things without sentiment - in more recent times at least - did Martin really have a big impact on the quality of the material? Consider; for many fans, Ian's Secret language of Birds would rate far higher than Dot.Com (and, going back a bit, Walk into Light superior to Under Wraps). Each to their own, but I personally don't believe that the excellent TAAB2 would be an even better album if Martin had played on it instead of Florian and it was sad and childishly petulant that the guy next to me in Glasgow last night felt he had to shout out "Martin Barre!" when Florian was taking his bow at the end of the show.
I can understand fans feeling sad/annoyed at Martin's absence but - looking at things without sentiment - in more recent times at least - did Martin really have a big impact on the quality of the material? Consider; for many fans, Ian's Secret language of Birds would rate far higher than Dot.Com (and, going back a bit, Walk into Light superior to Under Wraps). Each to their own, but I personally don't believe that the excellent TAAB2 would be an even better album if Martin had played on it instead of Florian and it was sad and childishly petulant that the guy next to me in Glasgow last night felt he had to shout out "Martin Barre!" when Florian was taking his bow at the end of the show.
That was bush. Florian doesn't deserve that. He's a very nice guy and an excellent guitar player.
But to answer your question - yes, I do think Martin would have made a difference. While I think Florian did a fine job on TAAB2, Martin brings more to the table.
Martin's guitar simply has more soul than Florian's, and Martin has that unique ability to "answer" Ian's vocal or flute lines like no other.
This is not a knock on Florian, it's simply a difference in style which I and many others happen to appreciate.
edit-
One more thing - I believe the mixing of this album is much better, and more favorable for the guitar player. Ian began mixing his flute way too high on recent albums which over-shadowed the guitar and detracted from the overall sound.
Each to their own, but I personally don't believe that the excellent TAAB2 would be an even better album if Martin had played on it instead of Florian and it was sad and childishly petulant that the guy next to me in Glasgow last night felt he had to shout out "Martin Barre!" when Florian was taking his bow at the end of the show.
This reminds me of 1982 when I saw Dio singing the Mob Rules in Greensboro, N.C. During the show there were several Hard Core Ozzy fans screaming out Ozzy in between songs. I'm sure it happened over and over eveytime they played. In those days Ozzy had his own band and they played Sabbath songs too.
If these fans want to lower their manners level so much, why even bother to come? Yes we all love Martin, but try to act like a Tull Fan.
![[Search This Thread]](http://images.proboards.com/search2.gif "[Search This Thread]")
![[Share Topic]](http://images.proboards.com/new/buttons/share.png "[Share Topic]")
![[Print]](http://images.proboards.com/buttons/print.gif "[Print]")
Author
Logged
![[image]](http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt78/jtull2008/6249680382282da3f89em.jpg "[image]")
(Period) 
![[avatar]](http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4113/65482123777217686964100.jpg "[avatar]")
![[image]](http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/188844_179808015397124_7477087_n.jpg "[image]")
![[avatar]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/JethroTull-albums-heavyhorses.jpg/220px-JethroTull-albums-heavyhorses.jpg "[avatar]")
![[image]](http://s12.postimage.org/d6legkcfx/002.jpg "[image]")
![[avatar]](http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9592/25683674.gif "[avatar]")
![[homepage]](http://images.proboards.com/buttons/www_sm.gif "[homepage]")
![[avatar]](http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1113/iabw.png "[avatar]")
![[avatar]](http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6173/ppscreen.jpg "[avatar]")
![[image]](http://s12.postimage.org/q2x9ryugd/TB3.jpg "[image]")
![[avatar]](http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4690/699580944270a9904e56n.jpg "[avatar]")
![[yim]](http://images.proboards.com/yim.gif "[yim]")
![[msn]](http://images.proboards.com/msn.gif "[msn]")
![[avatar]](http://jethrotull.weltzin3.com/photos/ian1977a.jpg "[avatar]")