Barre references on TAAB2 « Thread Started on Apr 29, 2012, 12:31pm »
A while back in one of the TAAB2 threads, there was brief discussion of the line in Banker Bets, Banker Wins:
Threatened exit, stage left, laughing.... as reference to Martin Barre.
But one can also see the last part of KISMET IN Suburbia, as potentially a reference to MB.
Fresh start, another day, my cared-for partner just slipped away from sweet utopia. Bequeathed comforts, ceramic hob, electric blanket, your uncle’s Bob: a pretty picture. Treasured moments, past and present, at 17 Mulberry Crescent.
To buy in to this, you would need to see Martin's exit as his choice, rather than Ian's. A discussion as to how they saw TAAB2 unfolding, where MB decided not to be part of it. It would be a different view of things, or not.
A while back in one of the TAAB2 threads, there was brief discussion of the line in Banker Bets, Banker Wins:
Threatened exit, stage left, laughing.... as reference to Martin Barre.
But one can also see the last part of KISMET IN Suburbia, as potentially a reference to MB.
Fresh start, another day, my cared-for partner just slipped away from sweet utopia. Bequeathed comforts, ceramic hob, electric blanket, your uncle’s Bob: a pretty picture. Treasured moments, past and present, at 17 Mulberry Crescent.
To buy in to this, you would need to see Martin's exit as his choice, rather than Ian's. A discussion as to how they saw TAAB2 unfolding, where MB decided not to be part of it. It would be a different view of things, or not.
What other references do some see in TAAB2?
Interesting observation and one I didn't think about, even though I got the sense Ian had this affinity for Gerald's character with his partner.
Re: Barre references on TAAB2 « Reply #2 on Apr 29, 2012, 3:17pm »
Could be, but if you accept that story being told is told by Gerald, then this doesn't fit. And as narator, he does not have the type of relationship with the subject that fit the "cared-for partner" role. None of the othe r scenarios open themselves to the notion of partner, so it leave one thinking.
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Re: Barre references on TAAB2 « Reply #3 on May 1, 2012, 10:00am »
No Martin talk, all money talk. I believe Ian Anderson has too much respect for Martin Barre to hint at him using lyrics in a negative way.
Draconian calls for regulation are drowned in latte with Starbucks muffin. Mortgage melt-down: non est mea culpa. Threatened exit, stage left, laughing.... Banker bets and banker wins, never missed yet, for all his sins. Banker bets, cheque’s in the post: not worth the ink it’s written in.
No Martin talk, all money talk. I believe Ian Anderson has too much respect for Martin Barre to hint at him using lyrics in a negative way.
Draconian calls for regulation are drowned in latte with Starbucks muffin. Mortgage melt-down: non est mea culpa. Threatened exit, stage left, laughing.... Banker bets and banker wins, never missed yet, for all his sins. Banker bets, cheque’s in the post: not worth the ink it’s written in.
No Martin talk, all money talk. I believe Ian Anderson has too much respect for Martin Barre to hint at him using lyrics in a negative way.
Draconian calls for regulation are drowned in latte with Starbucks muffin. Mortgage melt-down: non est mea culpa. Threatened exit, stage left, laughing.... Banker bets and banker wins, never missed yet, for all his sins. Banker bets, cheque’s in the post: not worth the ink it’s written in.
The first single, “Banker Bets, Banker Wins,” could double as an anthem for the occupy movement, but was written well before protesters camped out in New York’s Zuccotti Park. But it was inspired by the global meltdown of the late ’00s: “I’d just moved all of my personal funds from the Royal Bank of Scotland in disgust at the then-chief executive Fred Goodwin who’d awarded himself huge bonuses and obscene levels of remuneration for a job very, very badly done, paying people for sub-substantial performances, and home-wrecking and life-wrecking failures. It disgusted me, so I took all my money from that bank and moved it elsewhere. Goodwin recently had his knighthood stripped from him. When I wrote (“Banker Bets, Banker Wins”) in 2011, I was concerned that in 2012 we wouldn’t still be talking about it, but we certainly are still talking about it.” - Ian Anderson
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Re: Barre references on TAAB2 « Reply #6 on Jun 8, 2012, 10:53pm »
i just think MB left because he wanted to pursue other challenges. And that Florian isnt too bad after all !
I was mad when Andrew left and got replaced by that Casio keyboard player...but when i listen to this new keyboard you kind of like him ! He aint bad after all.
Same for Doane, what a shame that he is not around !! But, listeining at the new drummer...whose Doane Perry ??
The think i really dont like is the change of name...Tull is tull, i dont think Ian Anderson should have used his name for the second TAAB
I just think MB left because he wanted to pursue other challenges. And that Florian isn't too bad after all !
I was mad when Andrew left and got replaced by that Casio keyboard player... but when I listen to this new keyboard you kind of like him ! He aint bad after all.
Same for Doane, what a shame that he is not around !! But, listening at the new drummer...whose Doane Perry ??
The thing I really don't like is the change of name...Tull is Tull, I dont think Ian Anderson should have used his name for the second TAAB.
"Tull is Tull" Well Said. I've been thinking the same way for years.
i just think MB left because he wanted to pursue other challenges. And that Florian isnt too bad after all !
I was mad when Andrew left and got replaced by that Casio keyboard player...but when i listen to this new keyboard you kind of like him ! He aint bad after all.
Same for Doane, what a shame that he is not around !! But, listeining at the new drummer...whose Doane Perry ??
The think i really dont like is the change of name...Tull is tull, i dont think Ian Anderson should have used his name for the second TAAB
I sort of agree, but you do have to give him props for considering Martin an essential part of Tull (most of the time) because he definitely doesn't have to.
Do I need to say it? Ian Anderson IS...
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Stripped of his knighthood? I guess the banker didn't win everything
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Re: Barre references on TAAB2 « Reply #9 on Jun 9, 2012, 10:07pm »
I agree. I think Martin is doing exactly what he wants do. After all, he is still playing Tull music, and in control. I picked up on the stage left thing in the lyrics too. All in good humor, I think. There are so many references to old Tull songs in this album. Why not give Martin a plug.
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Re: Barre references on TAAB2 « Reply #10 on Jun 12, 2012, 3:39pm »
still
if you ask Martin about it he wont say much...and will sound frustrated. I think it's his decision, but was greatly motivated by Ian himself...probably telling him that the band need new sounds, new blood etc...
Remember Martin was always reluctand to try new type of cords, refusing to "innovate".
I presume the kid Florian is much easier to "deal" with !
Tough world. Ian is the boss and can do whatever he wants with the roster of this band.
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Re: Barre references on TAAB2 « Reply #11 on Jun 12, 2012, 7:28pm »
And again, I'm not having a problem with this. I think change is good at times. "The kid" is worthy choice and will learn much. It's the way things go. I have been a long time Tull fan, and I think that Ian has put together a great group of musicians. I can't wait to see them again.
if you ask Martin about it he wont say much...and will sound frustrated. I think it's his decision, but was greatly motivated by Ian himself...probably telling him that the band need new sounds, new blood etc...
Remember Martin was always reluctand to try new type of cords, refusing to "innovate".
I presume the kid Florian is much easier to "deal" with !
Tough world. Ian is the boss and can do whatever he wants with the roster of this band.
Where did you come up with Martin "was always reluctant to try new types of chords"? I've never seen any evidence of that. And what new techniques/chords/style did Florian bring to the album? Sounds like someone trying to play like Martin Barre to me.
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Re: Barre references on TAAB2 « Reply #15 on Jun 14, 2012, 4:21pm »
well this is what i learned, read somewhere a few years ago. Ian repeatedly asked Martin to play other type of guitars, only to get a "no thank you" from Martin.
I presume Florian would say "yes mister Anderson"..to just about anything the master would ask...
Well this is what i learned, read somewhere a few years ago. Ian repeatedly asked Martin to play other type of guitars, only to get a "no thank you" from Martin.
I presume Florian would say "yes mister Anderson".. to just about anything the master would ask...
There are so many reasons for Martin not being a part of this album. Some speculate money, ego, pay back for Martin touring with Willie Porter, and even Ian wanting to be Roger Waters. Life goes on and Martin has his chance to be in control of his music and tour. Instead of complaining or wondering what if, I decided to enjoy what is happening now. This is 2012 and Tull is relevant once again. After all the crying over a lack new material, now the crying is about Martin Barre. This is a time to Rock and Roll, not Boo and Hoo! Amen.
Well this is what i learned, read somewhere a few years ago. Ian repeatedly asked Martin to play other type of guitars, only to get a "no thank you" from Martin.
I presume Florian would say "yes mister Anderson".. to just about anything the master would ask...
There are so many reasons for Martin not being a part of this album. Some speculate money, ego, pay back for Martin touring with Willie Porter, and even Ian wanting to be Roger Waters. Life goes on and Martin has his chance to be in control of his music and tour. Instead of complaining or wondering what if, I decided to enjoy what is happening now. This is 2012 and Tull is relevant once again. After all the crying over a lack new material, now the crying is about Martin Barre. This is a time to Rock and Roll, not Boo and Hoo! Amen.
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