Put me down for an almost verbatim (sans mistakes ) reply of your post Jeff concerning the old men that weren't quite feud against the warring child!
Hi, Bogenbroom, thanks for reviving this thread! I don't know if I exactly follow your post, but I'm sure it means that you cast your vote in favor of This Was over War Child, so that means the current score in this round is:
This Was - 2 votes War Child - 1 and a half votes
Now, if we can only get that other half-vote in favor of War Child (I think) from Paul......
Put me down for an almost verbatim (sans mistakes ) reply of your post Jeff concerning the old men that weren't quite feud against the warring child!
Hi, Bogenbroom, thanks for reviving this thread! I don't know if I exactly follow your post, but I'm sure it means that you cast your vote in favor of This Was over War Child, so that means the current score in this round is:
This Was - 2 votes War Child - 1 and a half votes
Now, if we can only get that other half-vote in favor of War Child (I think) from Paul......
Jeff
Sorry, sometimes I try to be too clever for my own good.
Yes, you are correct, the old men that weren't quite would be This Was of course trumping War Child primarily for the reasons you stated in your (self-admitted mistake-laden ) analysis.
Put me down for an almost verbatim (sans mistakes ) reply of your post Jeff concerning the old men that weren't quite feud against the warring child!
Hi, Bogenbroom, thanks for reviving this thread! I don't know if I exactly follow your post, but I'm sure it means that you cast your vote in favor of This Was over War Child, so that means the current score in this round is:
This Was - 2 votes War Child - 1 and a half votes
Now, if we can only get that other half-vote in favor of War Child (I think) from Paul......
Jeff
My one team lost in the playoffs last night so that should free me up to finish this thing!
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Re: Album Wars (This Was) « Reply #86 on Mar 13, 2010, 11:04pm »
It took awhile but the verdict is in!
This Was Album War Round 7: This Was v. War Child.
1) Does the album break any new ground?
I guess Warchild does in the sense that is was the first Tull album to get tagged with the "Elizabethan" style. But it was probably more so for Ian's stage and album-cover clothing rather than the music which was rather an eclectic mix. But the music continued to evolve as I'll touch on later, and because of that I have to give the edge to Warchild.
(2) The complexity of the music: how adventurous is it?
This Was is basically blues with a bit of a twist while Warchild was an amalgam of influences, i.e. English, Scottish, and European vibes wrapped up into the context of rock music. Does that equal adventurous? I don't know but This Was the album that stood out from the crowd for me back in the days when Boston, Chicago and other US bands ruled the airways. This Was the album that made me a Tull fan. Warchild that is.
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
Is there anything more simplistic than "my baby left me"? I love some of the lines on This Was, but it just pails in comparison to Warchild.
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
This Was enjoyed a revitalization of sorts by the inclusion of it's songs into the live act dating back to '87 and extending well into the new millennium. I believe it's that reason alone that lead me to really enjoy that record - preferring it over Warchild. But still, the fact remains that not one track from TW made it on to any of the first 3 best of's. Warchild on the other hand scored 3 hits with Bungle, Skating Away and Warchild. We can even add 2 more as Rainbow Blues and Glory Row were recorded during the same time period. The album also contains other fan favorites like Back Door Angels, The Third Hoorah and Queen & Country.
So I have to give this one to Warchild as well.
5) How well-sung is the album?
I wonder what was Ian thinking with his vocals on TW? It obviously was a deliberate attempt at a certain sound....certainly not his natural self. Warchild is the clear winner here as well.
Other criteria to be considered, but afforded less weight, include:
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
Sax, glockenspiel, piano accordion, Spanish guitars, and bagpipes. Nuff said.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
I always thought of the Warchild album as being one of the classics in rock & roll. From the menacing front cover with the negative image of Ian to the portrayal of each song by the band members (and others) on the back.
Never cared much for the TW packaging. Warchild again.
8) Production and sound quality of the album
Warchild. 9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
The only song on either album with a semblance of humor to it for me (besides Round) is Two Fingers.
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Re: Album Wars (This Was) « Reply #88 on Mar 15, 2010, 10:45am »
WarChild - The Tull concert heaven years.
Sans flute: This Was is about as innovative as Led Zeppelin. I vote for the eclectic WarChild. Eclectic could be my favourite word when it comes to music.
Sans flute: This Was is about as innovative as Led Zeppelin. I vote for the eclectic WarChild. Eclectic could be my favourite word when it comes to music.
Sans flute: This Was is about as innovative as Led Zeppelin. I vote for the eclectic WarChild. Eclectic could be my favourite word when it comes to music.
Although I was just getting into Tull at around that time, I was too young to go to shows then, but I have no doubts that the War Child tour was one of Tull's most spectacular.
Okay, then, with JohnN's vote, the Round 7 score so far is:
War Child : 3 votes This Was : 2 votes
As always, five votes are needed to win a round, so we're not quite there yet!
Sans flute: This Was is about as innovative as Led Zeppelin. I vote for the eclectic WarChild. Eclectic could be my favourite word when it comes to music.
Interesting. I never gave the mono release a thought.
I'm a surround sound freak and I'm blown away by This Was mono sound, mono Beatles too.
Yes, I've been reading your posts and I see you are very much into the sound production. Mix is too and so am I to a certain degree. I just haven't had much of an opportunity to listen to it in that manner. But I'm going to look into picking up that release of TW to see what it's all about. Thanks.
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Re: Album Wars (This Was) « Reply #93 on Mar 15, 2010, 10:42pm »
It is QUITE nice! Any Tull fan would be remiss if they didn't get the mono TW. I can't believe it took me so long to do just that (I picked mine up several weeks ago). Shame on me! Guitar guitar guitar heaven. Also the different mixes :love: just have that certain something. Like listening to Moths on the 20th. Even if it's rather similar, I've spent so much time with it I know it backwards and forwards so hearing even the slightest difference puts that big ol' grin on my face.
It is QUITE nice! Any Tull fan would be remiss if they didn't get the mono TW. I can't believe it took me so long to do just that (I picked mine up several weeks ago). Shame on me! Guitar guitar guitar heaven. Also the different mixes :love: just have that certain something. Like listening to Moths on the 20th. Even if it's rather similar, I've spent so much time with it I know it backwards and forwards so hearing even the slightest difference puts that big ol' grin on my face.
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Re: Album Wars (This Was) « Reply #95 on Apr 7, 2010, 10:57pm »
When we last left off, War Child was leading This Was by a score of 3-2, but since five votes are needed for an album to win a round, this is still far from resolved.
Anyone want to register their vote for this round? We've been using the nine-point analysis to make it more fun.
You want to weigh in on this one, Ray? How about you, Dan, I don't think you've cast your vote on this yet.
When we last left off, War Child was leading This Was by a score of 3-2, but since five votes are needed for an album to win a round, this is still far from resolved.
Anyone want to register their vote for this round? We've been using the nine-point analysis to make it more fun.
You want to weigh in on this one, Ray? How about you, Dan, I don't think you've cast your vote on this yet.
Jeff
I would love to jump in Jeff, but I am pretty sure my votes should only count for half because on any given day I might argue with precision and passion for anything in their catalogue being the best thing they ever did, with the exception of the one with David Palmer. But over decades I have to say This Was gets the nod over War Child, even given War Childs remarkable tour. I have to join up with the disapointment if not discontentment after listening to part of the Manchester show, which I think was not one of the more highly regarded ones. I really get where folks are pissed about the set list, I just believe when Ian said those things about playing more obscure tracks it actually was his intent, I don't think there was anything conniving about it, maybe whatever they tried was not up to Ians assessment of where it needs to be. Hardly a terrible show, I have heard the voice a little better in recent years but I also understand Ian had some kind of viral infection, I too had the nastiest one of my life this year and it briefly seriously messed with my voice. On the one hand I was listening to it as I drifted off to sleep but such as I heard was pretty nearly...boring.
When we last left off, War Child was leading This Was by a score of 3-2, but since five votes are needed for an album to win a round, this is still far from resolved.
Anyone want to register their vote for this round? We've been using the nine-point analysis to make it more fun.
You want to weigh in on this one, Ray? How about you, Dan, I don't think you've cast your vote on this yet.
Jeff
I would love to jump in Jeff, but I am pretty sure my votes should only count for half because on any given day I might argue with precision and passion for anything in their catalogue being the best thing they ever did, with the exception of the one with David Palmer. But over decades I have to say This Was gets the nod over War Child, even given War Childs remarkable tour. I have to join up with the disapointment if not discontentment after listening to part of the Manchester show, which I think was not one of the more highly regarded ones. I really get where folks are pissed about the set list, I just believe when Ian said those things about playing more obscure tracks it actually was his intent, I don't think there was anything conniving about it, maybe whatever they tried was not up to Ians assessment of where it needs to be. Hardly a terrible show, I have heard the voice a little better in recent years but I also understand Ian had some kind of viral infection, I too had the nastiest one of my life this year and it briefly seriously messed with my voice. On the one hand I was listening to it as I drifted off to sleep but such as I heard was pretty nearly...boring.
Since you have given This Was the overall edge in your personal Tull pantheon, this round is becoming quite interesting. The score so far: War Child, 3 votes; This Was, 3 votes .
Five votes are needed to win a round. Who wants to break the deadlock?
Ian Anderson’s musical career extends back to 1962 when he formed his first group, “The Blades.” By 1967 he had joined with guitarist Mick Abrahams, drummer Clive Bunker, bassist Glenn Cornick, and horn player David Palmer to form Jethro Tull....
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