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Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #3 on Jan 30, 2012, 11:02am »
Breaking News from Mr Barre
"I start recording tomorrow for a new CD which will be sold on my website. It will consist of new recordings, live tracks and a compilation of music from my three solo albums."
To help Martin put together the CD he says he'd love you to tell him which is your favourite track from the albums The Meeting, Stage Left and Trick of Memory?
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Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #4 on Feb 1, 2012, 5:02pm »
Speaking of retreads, here is Martin "don't want to play regurgitated stuff" Barre, asking FB fans to recommend retreads from his solo stuff, which no one outside this board is aware of or bought.
Add to that, he then plans to take old material on the road with a bunch of retreads. All this while the real Jethro Tull still led by Ian is hitting the road with new material, new energy, and playing stuff that hasn't been played in some 40 years. What am I missing, who is regurgitating?
Speaking of retreads, here is Martin "don't want to play regurgitated stuff" Barre, asking FB fans to recommend retreads from his solo stuff, which no one outside this board is aware of or bought.
Add to that, he then plans to take old material on the road with a bunch of retreads. All this while the real Jethro Tull still led by Ian is hitting the road with new material, new energy, and playing stuff that hasn't been played in some 40 years. What am I missing, who is regurgitating?
Well, he probably has less of a problem playing his own stuff again rather than Tull's. He's probably played it a lot less as well. I can't blame him for wanting to go and do his own thing instead of Ian's thing.
I hope Doane's on drums at whatever show I happen to see of his.
Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #6 on Feb 1, 2012, 7:03pm »
I think he should play his own stuff, but he was the one that was going on about how he will play the Tull stuff, with two separate bands.
I would have more respect for him if he did step up. But with all the noise about giving Tull fans what they want, "even APP", it is funny to see Ian moving the dial forward, and Martin looking back and hooking up with the Legends, although I see the similarity with Barre and Jon Anderson.
Hope he does well, but I think he'll be back with Tull soon enough.
Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #8 on Feb 1, 2012, 7:59pm »
Poop away my friend.
But don't be distracted by the side show, it is about the music, which means Ian. Martin was always a footnote, and Tull would have been Tull with or without.
Although you seem to be familiar with TAAB2, myself, I'll wait to hear the whole thing before condemning it, heck I'll even do the same for Martin and the retreads. Seriously, New Day?! he can't even think of a band name without relying Ian's stuff, Bupkis! Maybe Rees had the idea for the name.
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Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #9 on Feb 1, 2012, 8:04pm »
Martin needed a break from Ian. There is nothing wrong with him being on his own for awhile. This will clear his mind of distractions that he put on himself. Of course competing with TAAB2 in the same area would not be wise. Maybe it would sound better as TAAB 2.1 Sounds catchy to me.
Martin Barre's New Day........It doesn't grab me yet.
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Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #11 on Feb 1, 2012, 10:30pm »
Erin,
I'm afraid I mistakenly deleted your post (the funny one about future Tull releases), while trying to quote what you had written, and then respond. Unfortunately, one drawback to the proboards software is that the 'moderators' quote button is right next to our modify button. This has caused some problems with posts before, but usually I realize it and am able to correct it. This time I did not, and rather than deleting what I thought was my own fucked up post, I deleted your original post, which I had mistakenly fucked up.
I hope you can remember the parody album titles and re-post them!
Can't wait for the following releases mixed by Steven Wilson in 5.1
"This was and Is Again"
"Sit Down"
Passion Play 2 "The Devil Cries More" (good one Jim)
"The Warchild Returns"
"The Minstrel Strikes Back"
"Back to the Woods"
"Even Heavier Horses"
"B"
"DOT NET"
Lmao! Leave it to Ian to find a way to record a new album, and sell lots of copies......by linking it to the greatest Tull album ever. This is the only way he ever would have made a new album!
Still, I do think that he realizes that if he's going to do a TAAB2, it's got to be every bit as good as TAAB1 (however impossible that might seem), so I think we are in for a great new album.
Two observations:
It's nice to see him do a "heavy" album again. After all those songs about cats, coffee and tropical beaches, this promises to be philosophical and thought-provoking, and I have no doubt the lyrics will be superb.
Also, much as I would have preferred this to be a Tull album with Martin and Doane, I have to say that it's nice to see the new guys finally getting to record an album with Ian. It's their first one! Let's not forget that Goodier, Ophale and O'Hara are all excellent musicians, and they happen to be really nice guys too. It's got to be very exciting for them!
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Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #14 on Feb 2, 2012, 12:25pm »
I suppose Ian doesn't want to detract from the publicity of TaaB 2 but it does seem they should mention Martin's tour(s) and projects on the Jethro Tull website. They have done that for a lot of other "former" members of the past, and they have done it for Martin's solo albums. It's not like Martin's going to outsell him or anything.
You're kinda quick to assume I was just condemning the unheard music.. maybe you missed where I said I was optimistic there will be some really good music on this album? I already like the few songs that I have heard from it. BUT I think that if Ian was finally inspired to write something original and great and progressive he should have came up with a different title..rather than again using Tull's past glory to sell albums to a new generation of prog fans! He is already releasing the real Brick in 5.1 for over $150 this year.. Ian probably knew Martin had too much integrity to be a part so he just did it without him. As he stated in his press release he didn't care how anyone else felt about it.
Calling Martin a footnote to Tull is absurd and laughable. Maybe it's just me though? While some were starring at Ian's codpiece I was always watching Martins fingers on the fretboard. I think a "New Day" is a perfect name. You have a problem with Martin, Doanne, and Noyce calling themselves a New Day but Thick as a Brick Part 2 is OK?
Can't wait for Passion Play the sequel! AND "The Minstrel Strikes Back"
I guess I misread it when you said:
"Talk about cashing in on the past.. rearranging some of the most famous prog riffs ever and calling it Part 2? 40 years later with hired gun musicians?"
But I did see that you were optomistic.
I have no issue with Doane, and Noyce really dosen't matter.
Martin is a great guitar player, can play anything he is given, but let's face it can't produce much worth listening to on his own. The reference to New Day was to highlight that he can't even name a band without borrowing from an Ian song.
Sounds to me, like no matter what Ian does you will find fault, while Martin can talk out of both sides of his mouth, but that's OK. I guess it is that 99% thing.
BTW, it has been a long time since the codepiece, some other Star Wars movies have come out since and were entertaining, so I'll take that.
>"Talk about cashing in on the past.. rearranging some of the >most famous prog riffs ever and calling it Part 2? 40 years >later with hired gun musicians?"
Just giving a rebuttal to your Martin bashing. Trying to offer a possible different perspective from the other side. My actual feelings about Ian are not as harsh and I actually will support both him and Martin with whatever they do. Just find it really disappointing that they are doing whole rock star break up thing now when there isn't all the time in the world left.
I disagree that Martin can't produce good music. I happen to love his solo records and his songs were often highlights of the more recent shows for me. I think it's perfectly fine for Martin to use "New Day". Like he hasn't been a part of Tull since 1969? That's a lifetime. It's not an Ian song, it's aTull song..martin has dedicated his life to being the biggest part of Tull next to Ian. Why should he not be able (after likely getting the boot) to go out and use a name he's been associated with for 45 years? It will attract more people and more cash just like Ian's Thick as a Brick Part 2 (which will rival The original) Martin, Donne, and Noyce have every right to use that name. Ian didn't write every guitar line for Martin? Ian doesn't write the guitar solos! Ever really listen to martin's playing on the Brick and Play? I don't mean the amazing solo sections but all the little stuff in between? It's there and it's remarkable and it's all Martin. If you ever hear the Brick 5.1 it will be more evident. Remember Ian has talked many times about the bands contributions on the good Tull records.
I'm not looking for fault in anything Ian does. I wish him best of luck. He's the greatest performer of all time! As bummed as I am about Mart I am glad Ian seems to be enjoying himself and at least writing inspired music again..I don't agree with the title but it's not my album.. Ian's doing what he wants so good for him! You are not giving Martin the credit I feel he deserves is all. Anyway, what do we know.. might as well wait until we know what actually happened before we bash anyone. Hope to see Martin if he comes to the USA then we may get the real scoop. Maybe it's the things I have heard in the past that make me defend Martin so much. I could see this coming for years. Nothing to do now but enjoy both bands. Cheers
I agree with Erin, Martin is essential to the Tull sound, and Tull never would have been as huge as they are without him. The proof of that is the superb Stage Left album, all original material by Martin.
Each and every piece on that record is sublime, and although Ian had zero participation in the writing or recording of it, it still sounds like an instrumental Tull album, and that's especially true on the track where Martin plays flute.
It's similar to when the Beatles broke up and started doing solo albums. The first few solo records by Paul, John, George and Ringo all sounded like Beatles albums, because each one of them was unique and essential to the overall Beatle sound. The same is true of Tull. There can be no Tull without Martin!
Martin Barre is the most underrated guitarist in rock. Fans go wild over his playing, and that's equally true now as in the past. There has been no diminishment of his skills or ability. And, like it or not, Martin is the most beloved member of Tull. More so than Ian.
I believe (and have evidence to support this) that Martin first became disenchanted with Tull when Andy and Jon were let go. I think that really pissed him off. He was definitely not a happy camper since then.
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Re: Martin Barre's New Day « Reply #17 on Feb 2, 2012, 9:40pm »
I am not bashing Martin, just calling it as I see it. First, I think it is Martin who is "doing whole rock star break up", Ian has not said a word.. He’s left the door open, this was echoed by someone else on this board who seems to have gotten that from James Duncan "Smith". Martin was the one who went to the press saying Tull is over, and frankly that decision does not rest with him, and have you read the silly things on his site. BTW, notice Martin is still listed as a member fo Tull on the Ian Anderson site. The Martin Barre era is over, but Tull goes on. In fact even during the Planet Rock interview yesterday, the DJ kept calling it Jethro Tull's TAAB2, cause that is how the world sees it.
Where we do differ is our view of how good Martin is, and as I said I think he is great in Tull, just OK otherwise. I have all his solo stuff, including the Summer Band disc, like to support Tull members, , and frankly it is OK. I am spoiled, I want better than OK, and Martin can't write that. Just because you can spell Django Reinhardt, doesn’t mean you can play like him. The reality is that for 99% of the planet if Anderson is there it’s Tull. Even if you think back to 72 – 73, their prime, Martin is a close third in memories. When I remember APP show, it’ the start, Ian, Jeffery, The movie, the rabbit, and then Martin. He has had a god ride, I don’t see him having the chops to do it alone, the fact that he went with Noyce just proves it, does anyone have less stage presence? I would argue this is why he leans on the Tull stuff, he gets support from folks on this board, and can hide his inadequacies.
I know some won’t like that, but it’s not Ian vs. Martin. It’s not about the underdog, it’s about the music. Here is a thought, is it possible that Martin was holding Ian back, and once Ian started seeing the possibilities with new players he went for it. Martin should go for it, play his own stuff and see what gives. And Jeff, Martin is not essential to Tull, he is not that underrated, because he is just OK, I would not push Stage Left, that much, it is OK, with the choice of guitarists out there, OK does not cut it. I don’t think Martin is more beloved than Ian, because 99% or Tull record buyers could not tell you who Martin Barre is. If he is pissed at Andy and Noyce being gone, then he should have left with them cause O’hara and Goodier wipe the floor with those two. My wife was upset when I got rid of the old chair too, it had been in the family forever, a year on, even she says the room looks much better.
I am not bashing Martin, just calling it as I see it. First, I think it is Martin who is "doing whole rock star break up", Ian has not said a word.. He’s left the door open, this was echoed by someone else on this board who seems to have gotten that from James Duncan "Smith". Martin was the one who went to the press saying Tull is over, and frankly that decision does not rest with him, and have you read the silly things on his site. BTW, notice Martin is still listed as a member fo Tull on the Ian Anderson site. The Martin Barre era is over, but Tull goes on. In fact even during the Planet Rock interview yesterday, the DJ kept calling it Jethro Tull's TAAB2, cause that is how the world sees it.
Where we do differ is our view of how good Martin is, and as I said I think he is great in Tull, just OK otherwise. I have all his solo stuff, including the Summer Band disc, like to support Tull members, , and frankly it is OK. I am spoiled, I want better than OK, and Martin can't write that. Just because you can spell Django Reinhardt, doesn’t mean you can play like him. The reality is that for 99% of the planet if Anderson is there it’s Tull. Even if you think back to 72 – 73, their prime, Martin is a close third in memories. When I remember APP show, it’ the start, Ian, Jeffery, The movie, the rabbit, and then Martin. He has had a god ride, I don’t see him having the chops to do it alone, the fact that he went with Noyce just proves it, does anyone have less stage presence? I would argue this is why he leans on the Tull stuff, he gets support from folks on this board, and can hide his inadequacies.
I know some won’t like that, but it’s not Ian vs. Martin. It’s not about the underdog, it’s about the music. Here is a thought, is it possible that Martin was holding Ian back, and once Ian started seeing the possibilities with new players he went for it. Martin should go for it, play his own stuff and see what gives. And Jeff, Martin is not essential to Tull, he is not that underrated, because he is just OK, I would not push Stage Left, that much, it is OK, with the choice of guitarists out there, OK does not cut it. I don’t think Martin is more beloved than Ian, because 99% or Tull record buyers could not tell you who Martin Barre is. If he is pissed at Andy and Noyce being gone, then he should have left with them cause O’hara and Goodier wipe the floor with those two. My wife was upset when I got rid of the old chair too, it had been in the family forever, a year on, even she says the room looks much better.
Wisest post I have read in some time, though I might differ in my perception of the degree by which the current bassist and keyboard players are the superior of the previous. And for that matter pretty nearly all players within the band's history, (with the notable exception of Jeffrey who, though strangely efficeient, was not in fact a musician at all.)Nitpicking I might say Vittesse and the Rainbow keyboard player were not favorites, but otherwise a high level of competency has been maintained, for instance, I do not think Barrie is vastly Doane's superior. Max Roach I can see. All have spoken very eloquently at times, particularly in ensemble playing. Do not at all miss the ten minute flute, guitar, drum or piano solos, I do not think this level of improvisatory operator has ever been within Tull, I can recall some level of boredom during those parts of the show way back then, sometimes balanced by what was happening visually.
I am not bashing Martin, just calling it as I see it. First, I think it is Martin who is "doing whole rock star break up", Ian has not said a word.. He’s left the door open, this was echoed by someone else on this board who seems to have gotten that from James Duncan "Smith". Martin was the one who went to the press saying Tull is over, and frankly that decision does not rest with him, and have you read the silly things on his site. BTW, notice Martin is still listed as a member fo Tull on the Ian Anderson site. The Martin Barre era is over, but Tull goes on. In fact even during the Planet Rock interview yesterday, the DJ kept calling it Jethro Tull's TAAB2, cause that is how the world sees it.
Where we do differ is our view of how good Martin is, and as I said I think he is great in Tull, just OK otherwise. I have all his solo stuff, including the Summer Band disc, like to support Tull members, , and frankly it is OK. I am spoiled, I want better than OK, and Martin can't write that. Just because you can spell Django Reinhardt, doesn’t mean you can play like him. The reality is that for 99% of the planet if Anderson is there it’s Tull. Even if you think back to 72 – 73, their prime, Martin is a close third in memories. When I remember APP show, it’ the start, Ian, Jeffery, The movie, the rabbit, and then Martin. He has had a god ride, I don’t see him having the chops to do it alone, the fact that he went with Noyce just proves it, does anyone have less stage presence? I would argue this is why he leans on the Tull stuff, he gets support from folks on this board, and can hide his inadequacies.
I know some won’t like that, but it’s not Ian vs. Martin. It’s not about the underdog, it’s about the music. Here is a thought, is it possible that Martin was holding Ian back, and once Ian started seeing the possibilities with new players he went for it. Martin should go for it, play his own stuff and see what gives. And Jeff, Martin is not essential to Tull, he is not that underrated, because he is just OK, I would not push Stage Left, that much, it is OK, with the choice of guitarists out there, OK does not cut it. I don’t think Martin is more beloved than Ian, because 99% or Tull record buyers could not tell you who Martin Barre is. If he is pissed at Andy and Noyce being gone, then he should have left with them cause O’hara and Goodier wipe the floor with those two. My wife was upset when I got rid of the old chair too, it had been in the family forever, a year on, even she says the room looks much better.
Sorry, Singe, but Martin is not just "OK." He is a living legend and ranks with the top four or five greatest rock guitarists of all time. How can you listen to an album like Stormwatch, for example, and say that Martin is just "okay"? It's not just a question of his tremendous skill and technical ability, on both electric and classical acoustic guitar, it's also the emotion with which he plays. There is not another guitarist alive who plays with as much feeling. It's that sort of intangible quality that he possesses that has made him the perfect guitarist to help fully realize Ian's lyrical ideas.
Contrast that with Florian, and it's no comparison. Florian's an excellent guitarist to be sure, but he lacks the intangible quality that Martin has. Florian's much more run-of-the mill, not nearly as distinctive as Martin in the way he plays, and that's especially true of his electric guitar. (I think he's much better as an acoustic guitarist.)
Plus, I don't think Martin was "holding Ian back" from anything. Ian wasn't writing music. He refused for years to release any new materiall, because -- these are his words -- he feared there was no money in it.
Now, he's hit upon a way to satisfy the fans' craving for new music and make a huge bundle while's he at it, and so he's doing it. I love the idea of it, don't get me wrong, and I've always believed that Ian had another "heavy" album in him. As I said, I already love the idea behind the album, and I'm sure I'll love the music and lyrics too. It's just that I would love it so much more if Martin Barre were the guitarist.
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