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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 20:12:50 GMT -5
I own the LITP compilation and SFTW. The gold cd's go for a big bucks on EBAY.
What do you own? gotta run, back soon.
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Post by TM on Oct 1, 2009 8:50:52 GMT -5
I own the LITP compilation and SFTW. The gold cd's go for a big bucks on EBAY. What do you own? gotta run, back soon. In think I have most of the gold discs except Original Masters. They do go for big bucks new, but are people buying at that price? And how about used CD's? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 15:58:23 GMT -5
Stand Up
Livinging In The Past
Aqualung
Passion Play
Warchild
Songs From The Wood
Original Masters
LP
Aqaulung
Thick As a Brick
Broadswoard
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Post by Journeyman on Jan 21, 2010 20:45:53 GMT -5
I own the MSFL Gold Disc of:
Thick as a Brick
Passion Play
LITP
Warchild
Songs from the Wood
And the Digital Compact Classic (DCC) gold disk of Aqualung, which in my most humble opinion is hands down the best sounding version.
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Post by TM on Jan 22, 2010 9:11:58 GMT -5
I own the MSFL Gold Disc of: Thick as a Brick Passion Play LITP Warchild Songs from the Wood And the Digital Compact Classic (DCC) gold disk of Aqualung, which in my most humble opinion is hands down the best sounding version. The Original Masters gold disc seems to get great reviews by the people who have heard them as well. And of course, welcome aboard Journey Man.  |
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Post by Nonfatman on Jan 22, 2010 11:24:08 GMT -5
I own the MSFL Gold Disc of: Thick as a Brick Passion Play LITP Warchild Songs from the Wood And the Digital Compact Classic (DCC) gold disk of Aqualung, which in my most humble opinion is hands down the best sounding version. I've got all of those, and you are right, Journeyman, the DCC edition of Aqualung has by far the best sound quality of any of the various Aqualung CD releases. Welcome here, and have fun! Jeff |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 11:57:19 GMT -5
DCC version of Aqualung is great
Mobile Fidelity did a version Aqualung on vinyl that was pretty darn good
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Post by Journeyman on Jan 22, 2010 19:09:22 GMT -5
I have that vinyl as well Derek, though I can't do a comparison as my turntable lis ong gone. Too bad that MFSL is long gone as well.
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Post by Michael Crowe on Jan 23, 2010 3:04:47 GMT -5
I own the MSFL Gold Disc of: Thick as a Brick Passion Play LITP Warchild Songs from the Wood And the Digital Compact Classic (DCC) gold disk of Aqualung, which in my most humble opinion is hands down the best sounding version. I've got all of those, and you are right, Journeyman, the DCC edition of Aqualung has by far the best sound quality of any of the various Aqualung CD releases. Welcome here, and have fun! Jeff Are those DCC editions still available anywhere? I've never heard even a half decent version of Aqualung. Got to be one of the worst produced albums by a major artist in the 70s. That and Octopus by Gentle Giant. Two classics, what a shame. |
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Post by Journeyman on Jan 23, 2010 9:31:49 GMT -5
You will only be able to find it on ebay and it will cost you a fortune I should think. It was remastered by the legendary Steve Hoffman, an audio engineer who specialized in remastering classics. Besides superior techniques, the DCC gold disc is the ONLY Aqualung remaster that used the original two track master tapes of the recording. Even Chrysalis didn't have it. Turns out it was in Ian's garage! Below is Hoffman's answer to the question what was the most difficult master to find: The link to the whole long interview with him, which is worth reading, is: www.stevehoffman.tv/dhinterviews/Tape%20Op%20Magazine.htmA. I'd have to say Jethro Tull's "Aqualung." I believe we waited seven years. That was an album that was recorded in one place, then a tape copy was made for America and a tape copy was made for England, and these tape copies are the ones that are marked "master." They've been EQed, and they've been compressed... slightly, in a good way. But nonetheless they were not the original masters. They kept sending us all these tapes marked "master." I kept saying to them, very kindly, "no no no, not this, not this, not this..." Finally, we got a hold of Ian Anderson, who said, "oh yeah, I have those in my garage." That was about five years into the project. At about seven years into it, he finally got around to sending us "Aqualung." It was a long struggle, but the project came out nicely. It's not that [the tapes were] lost, it was just that no one there realized that was what we wanted. They couldn't understand. "Well, here's a perfectly good tape that we used to make the LP. Why don't you just use that?" Well we don't want this $30 CD to sound like the LP because personally, I didn't think the LP sounded that hot! |
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Post by Nonfatman on Jan 23, 2010 17:17:32 GMT -5
I didn't know Steve Hoffman was behind that. The DCC edition of Aqualung was given to me as a gift by a cousin of mine who is an avid audiophile. He also sent me a California Audio Labs single disc CD player which is the best one I've ever owned. BTW, Mark, I think you may be hearing from our friends tootull and bogenbroom soon. You'll find out why soon enough!
Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 22:32:20 GMT -5
I think the vinyl has a little more in the high end, the bass sounded good but did punch where it should in Cross Eyed Mary. Now this is not I repeat not on my real audio system this is just from my computer, so it by no means a fair comparission, like you Journeyman my real system is packed away
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Post by tootull on Jan 24, 2010 11:34:30 GMT -5
I didn't know Steve Hoffman was behind that. The DCC edition of Aqualung was given to me as a gift by a cousin of mine who is an avid audiophile. He also sent me a California Audio Labs single disc CD player which is the best one I've ever owned. BTW, Mark, I think you may be hearing from our friends tootull and bogenbroom soon. You'll find out why soon enough! Jeff Hey, hey, hey. Well, well, well.  Dont' get me wrong, the DCC CD is a thing of beauty. Just pointing out the other options. thejethrotullboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tales&thread=5&page=3#3371 IMO these songs suck on the remaster: Aqualung Cross-Eyed Mary Up To Me My God Hymn 43 Locomotive Breath Aqualung CD's reviewed: Remastered Mother Goose & Wind Up get a free pass. www.soundstage.com/music/mus0997g.htmRead on: Nice vinyl options. Learn more about the master tape:. www.musicangle.com/album.php?id=520www.classicrecords.com/item.cfm?item=ILPS%209145-200Gwww.soundstage.com/music/reviews/rev991.htmFrom the Steve Hoffman forum more on CD releases: www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=192184&highlight=aqualungwww.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=194689&highlight=aqualungwww.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=132673 Aqualung "O.k., we have a great sounding DCC version mastered by our dear host Steve. Of course it sounds very nice, and it was the very first time this actual master tapes were used. What could you want more? Well, I personally think the Japan for Europe Chrysalis CD with catalog number 610 016-217 sounds more laid back and natural, and this version is actually my preferred version right now. O.k., I said it, now I need to go hiding..." by Roland Joel Cairo a mod at Steve Hoffman forums weighs in on the Aqualung CD action. ;D www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=3357374&postcount=211"Well, at the risk of jacking up the price of yet another old CD, here goes: The original UK CD release of Aqualung (Chrysalis CCD-1044) is just fine. It lacks the "solid feel" of Steve's DCC version, mind you (for a variety of reasons), but if you can't afford the DCC gold disc, and want a CD that sounds a like a lot of the LP versions available at that time (i.e.- it lives higher in the mid-range), then this is the disc that you're looking for. I don't know what they did here in the US, but I don't think this disc exhibits **any** of the commonly-cited faults of the first American CD version: nothing appears to be clipped short, and there's no excessive hiss. It seems to be a totally separate mastering." -Kevin For the best in sound Tull CD's -My view today: This Was - Mono remaster & in stereo the 2001 remaster Stand Up - MFSL UD Benefit - USA original CD Aqualung - DCC & not too shabby the UK Chrysalis CCD-1044. Living In The Past - MFSL UD II & not too shabby the single disc first USA CD (avoid the Canadian CD) Thick As A Brick - MFSL UD A Passion Play - MFSL UD II WarChild - MFSL UD II Minstrel In The Gallery - Made in Japan for UK Chrysalis (no matter the medium I've always found this recording to be too bright.) Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll - UK Chrysalis Songs From The Wood - MFSL UD II Heavy Horses - Remaster Stormwatch - Remaster A - Remaster The Broadsword And The Beast - Made in W. Germany for UK Chrysalis ( a low volume transfer that shines at loud volume. Plus the remaster is fine by me.) Under Wraps - Made in W. Germany for UK Chrysalis Crest Of A Knave - Remaster Rock Island - Remaster Catfish Rising - Original CD Roots To Branches - Original CD ...and if I laughed a bit too fast. Well it was up to me - tootull btw: The Tull sound was tested on all kinds of vintage Infinity speakers, here. With respect I give you this link: www.bobbyshred.com/infinity.html |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Jan 25, 2010 0:21:49 GMT -5
You will only be able to find it on ebay and it will cost you a fortune I should think. It was remastered by the legendary Steve Hoffman, an audio engineer who specialized in remastering classics. Besides superior techniques, the DCC gold disc is the ONLY Aqualung remaster that used the original two track master tapes of the recording. Even Chrysalis didn't have it. Turns out it was in Ian's garage! Below is Hoffman's answer to the question what was the most difficult master to find: The link to the whole long interview with him, which is worth reading, is: www.stevehoffman.tv/dhinterviews/Tape%20Op%20Magazine.htmA. I'd have to say Jethro Tull's "Aqualung." I believe we waited seven years. That was an album that was recorded in one place, then a tape copy was made for America and a tape copy was made for England, and these tape copies are the ones that are marked "master." They've been EQed, and they've been compressed... slightly, in a good way. But nonetheless they were not the original masters. They kept sending us all these tapes marked "master." I kept saying to them, very kindly, "no no no, not this, not this, not this..." Finally, we got a hold of Ian Anderson, who said, "oh yeah, I have those in my garage." That was about five years into the project. At about seven years into it, he finally got around to sending us "Aqualung." It was a long struggle, but the project came out nicely. It's not that [the tapes were] lost, it was just that no one there realized that was what we wanted. They couldn't understand. "Well, here's a perfectly good tape that we used to make the LP. Why don't you just use that?" Well we don't want this $30 CD to sound like the LP because personally, I didn't think the LP sounded that hot! Interesting story - never heard it before. Thanks Journeyman for the info. Aqualung isn't one of my favorites but I would like to have a better copy than the one I have. Haven't seen it on ebay yet, not have I decided what I'm willing to dish out for one. |
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Post by tootull on Jan 25, 2010 8:09:24 GMT -5
Regarding Steve Hoffman & that DCC Aqualung CD - With the title song Aqualung there was tape damage on the master tape, and Hoffman had to use an original CD to fix the song.
There was a video on the internet where Steve Hoffman explains the exact location - the video seems to have disappeared.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 11:56:44 GMT -5
thanks tootull for the great links and I agree with almost all of your selections, but I personaly think that far too much fuss has been placed on Aqualung. Even though it was there gateway album, they would of made without Aqualung, Anderson would of come up with some else and probably would not have had to have paid his ex any royalties.
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Post by tootull on Jan 25, 2010 13:10:42 GMT -5
 I've gone through a few Aqualung burnt out spells myself. I'm always hoping that Benefit & Minstrel In The Gallery get the gold treatment. Fun source: For those that like Aqualung & surround sound, I recommend that you play the first CD release of "M. U." with Aqualung & Locomotive Breath in Dolby Pro Logic II music mode, (no need for a centre/center speaker) as these tracks were prepared for quad, they do reveal another side especially with Aqualung's vocal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 16:52:50 GMT -5
:-/I don't enjoy "listening" to music in all ten fancy bs modes of these av receivers. Just give me my Adcom amp with my Adcom 750e pre amp pushing 200 watts through to Klipsch Chorus speakers and the 2, 15" powered Klipsch sub woofers and I was pretty happy. Too bad I am miserable because its pack upstairs and I'm stuck with a very decent sounding computer system, but not what I was once used too. It was also great for dusting the house.
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Post by Journeyman on Jan 25, 2010 18:12:46 GMT -5
Great links Tootull, I really enjoyed reading through them. I found especially interesting the Soundstage article by Greg Smith, especially at the end when he talks about artists and record companies remixing their classics and changing the original, and how this makes it essentially a different album. Artist have every right to do that of course, and movie directors have been doing it for years. But I imagine that most people wouldn't notice, or really care. Sigh.
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Post by tootull on Jan 26, 2010 10:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2010 10:41:25 GMT -5
FYI Blackmore's Night does a version of Rainbow Blues...a great song
personally I always liked vinyl better a pristine vinyl copy always sounded better than any CD digital, vinyl always had a rounded high end where as digital sort of has sharp edges, not really noticeable, but I always thought vinyl had a smoother sound.... just my ears
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Post by Nonfatman on Jan 26, 2010 11:12:48 GMT -5
John, Speaking of Buffalo, I went to law school up there in the 80's and returned to the area several times.....for Tull shows of course. Since you're from Toronto, perhaps you may have attended one of these following shows I saw in Western New York?: 1984 - Buffalo War Memorial Auditorium (my girlfriend at the time went to the show with me, and afterward said Ian sounded "like Donald Duck".....I was pissed at her, but deep down I knew she was right.) 1984 - Rochester War Memorial Auditorium 1994 - Shea Theater, Buffalo (possibly 1995, not sure) 1994 - Landmark Theater, Syracuse 2000 - Tull at Erie County Fair (my wife and I missed the NYC show at the Beacon a few weeks earlier bcause we were in Italy on our honeymoon, so a few weeks later we took a second honeymoon to Buffalo; my excuse was she had never been to Niagara Falls before, but the real reason was I couldn't miss Tull.) Jeff |
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Post by tootull on Jan 26, 2010 12:17:31 GMT -5
John, Speaking of Buffalo, I went to law school up there in the 80's and returned to the area several times.....for Tull shows of course. Since you're from Toronto, perhaps you may have attended one of these following shows I saw in Western New York?: 1984 - Buffalo War Memorial Auditorium (my girlfriend at the time went to the show with me, and afterward said Ian sounded "like Donald Duck".....I was pissed at her, but deep down I knew she was right.) 1984 - Rochester War Memorial Auditorium 1994 - Shea Theater, Buffalo (possibly 1995, not sure) 1994 - Landmark Theater, Syracuse 2000 - Tull at Erie County Fair (my wife and I missed the NYC show at the Beacon a few weeks earlier bcause we were in Italy on our honeymoon, so a few weeks later we took a second honeymoon to Buffalo; my excuse was she had never been to Niagara Falls before, but the real reason was I couldn't miss Tull.) Jeff My only American Tull concert: This teenager went to the Niagara Falls NY Feb. 23, 1975 Niagara Falls Convention Center show where there was a two level stage, with Anderson above the band and lighted so that it seemed that the WarChild album cover came to life. 23/2/75 Convention Center Niagara Falls, NY. USA "The show was delayed because, when making his 'big' entrance, Martin tripped on a cable, damaging the stage rig. Lights and sound were restored within 15-20 mins." www.ministry-of-information.co.uk/setlist/75.htm |
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Dont' get me wrong, the DCC CD is a thing of beauty. Just pointing out the other options. 