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Post by Preston Platform on Sept 3, 2011 17:57:01 GMT -5
Just got back from the opening night of the tour. Enjoyed the gig had centre front row seats. Interesting to see Tull music played by a trio it was creative and daring. John O'Hara played percussion as well as keyboards. Florian Opahle played some bass as well. I thought that O Hara was asked to do too much , but this format showed what a fine player he is This would have been a magnificient show in the past ..the sort of set Ian should have experimented with as an aside when in his vocal peak.
Ians voice was really wretched in parts but got stronger in the second half of the show. I am not usually bothered by it but he struggled in the opening four tunes However Change of horses was particularly good both vocally and musically The set list was as far as I can remember ( may not be the correct order)
Boris Dancing Just trying to be ( It was great to hear this) Slipstream Up to Me Wondring Again Set Aside Overture ( I think this was a version of the instrumental that f...king tune ..Ian mentioned that this was the start of a much longer piece and that he would tell us more about it later...unfortunately he never did) Andanto ( not spelt corectly but this was Florians flamenco solo slot)
bach piece played by John O'hara Bouree Up the pool Hare in the wine cup Thick as a Brick (poet & the Painter ) Adrift and Dumbfounded ( first time I have heard this live ...liked its strong instrumental passages)
Hare who lost his spectacles Bach electric solo by Florian Change of Horses ( This song continues to evolve and just is superb) Budapest Aqualung Locomotive Breath ( opening played on acoustic guitar by Ian )
I may have missed some tunes out
Overall a good concert I am glad I went , but found aspects of Ians performance quite depressing.
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Post by Preston Platform on Sept 4, 2011 5:42:40 GMT -5
Forgot to mention no posters or flyers around for this tour ..but lots of flyers and posters for TAAB tour were left all over the theatre
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Post by sonnyjim on Sept 4, 2011 18:41:20 GMT -5
Congratulations!! The UK is getting the same crappy set lists as the US.
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Post by TM on Sept 4, 2011 19:15:55 GMT -5
Congratulations!! The UK is getting the same crappy set lists as the US. Dude. Welcome to the board. Maybe you could could chill a little on the IA hate. Maybe get in about 10 posts before you start going into your act.
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Post by TM on Sept 4, 2011 19:17:12 GMT -5
Just got back from the opening night of the tour. Enjoyed the gig had centre front row seats. Interesting to see Tull music played by a trio it was creative and daring. John O'Hara played percussion as well as keyboards. Florian Opahle played some bass as well. I thought that O Hara was asked to do too much , but this format showed what a fine player he is This would have been a magnificient show in the past ..the sort of set Ian should have experimented with as an aside when in his vocal peak. Ians voice was really wretched in parts but got stronger in the second half of the show. I am not usually bothered by it but he struggled in the opening four tunes However Change of horses was particularly good both vocally and musically The set list was as far as I can remember ( may not be the correct order) Boris Dancing Just trying to be ( It was great to hear this) Slipstream Up to Me Wondring Again Set Aside Overture ( I think this was a version of the instrumental that f...king tune ..Ian mentioned that this was the start of a much longer piece and that he would tell us more about it later...unfortunately he never did) Andanto ( not spelt corectly but this was Florians flamenco solo slot) bach piece played by John O'hara Bouree Up the pool Hare in the wine cup Thick as a Brick (poet & the Painter ) Adrift and Dumbfounded ( first time I have heard this live ...liked its strong instrumental passages) Hare who lost his spectacles Bach electric solo by Florian Change of Horses ( This song continues to evolve and just is superb) Budapest Aqualung Locomotive Breath ( opening played on acoustic guitar by Ian ) I may have missed some tunes out Overall a good concert I am glad I went , but found aspects of Ians performance quite depressing. Sorry to hear that Preston.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 6:35:38 GMT -5
Just got back from the opening night of the tour. Enjoyed the gig had centre front row seats. Interesting to see Tull music played by a trio it was creative and daring. John O'Hara played percussion as well as keyboards. Florian Opahle played some bass as well. I thought that O Hara was asked to do too much , but this format showed what a fine player he is This would have been a magnificient show in the past ..the sort of set Ian should have experimented with as an aside when in his vocal peak. Ians voice was really wretched in parts but got stronger in the second half of the show. I am not usually bothered by it but he struggled in the opening four tunes However Change of horses was particularly good both vocally and musically The set list was as far as I can remember ( may not be the correct order) Boris Dancing Just trying to be ( It was great to hear this) Slipstream Up to Me Wondring Again Set Aside Overture ( I think this was a version of the instrumental that f...king tune ..Ian mentioned that this was the start of a much longer piece and that he would tell us more about it later...unfortunately he never did) Andanto ( not spelt corectly but this was Florians flamenco solo slot) bach piece played by John O'hara Bouree Up the pool Hare in the wine cup Thick as a Brick (poet & the Painter ) Adrift and Dumbfounded ( first time I have heard this live ...liked its strong instrumental passages) Hare who lost his spectacles Bach electric solo by Florian Change of Horses ( This song continues to evolve and just is superb) Budapest Aqualung Locomotive Breath ( opening played on acoustic guitar by Ian ) I may have missed some tunes out Overall a good concert I am glad I went , but found aspects of Ians performance quite depressing. Hi Preston, thanks for the set list, no spoilers in there for me although I'll be at the Union Chapel gig on Saturday. Nothing much, on face value, in that list seems to be capable of shaking the tree big time, but I'm looking forward to hopefully some different interpretations of many of the tracks, plus a good night out with some old friends. You say you found aspects of ian's performance quite depressing, was it just the voices? Given that you are very much a Tull supporter I'd be interested to know if there were any other concerns?
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Post by sunnyjim on Sept 5, 2011 11:02:51 GMT -5
Sorry if I offended anyone. Not sure why I was kicked off for stating an opinon. We can pussy (willow?) foot around the issue but the fact is what is transpiring is very disappointing but not surprising after the last few years. The most schocking part is the timing of the annoucement that one of the most seminal albums of all time will be played without an integral member of the band.
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Post by Preston Platform on Sept 5, 2011 11:56:27 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the show for a while and I think I stand by my initial feelings that I enjoyed the show but was disappointed by aspects of it.
Pat and fellow Tullsters The set list was ok for me as it contained four unreleased songs three I had not heard live and also one other tune I had not heard performed live eg Just trying to be and another three I have infrequently seen Ian perform eg Slipstream , Set aside and Wondring again. However I would have liked some material from SLOB and Rupis dance The performance was adventurous in that tunes were played as a trio...but in truth there was nothing really innovative , dynamic or really different about the arrangements of these tunes. Only the instrumentation was different.eg in TAAB Ian played some of the lines associated with Martins guitar on the flute. Nevertheless I felt appreciative that some creative risks were taken by dint of it being a trio rather than a full band . I was expecting Ian to be quite animated making this a rubbing elbows type atmosphere in a very personal small theatre setting. Ian's patter was below par ....whether it was first night nerves or 1st day back at the office syndrome ( He informed all that he had just returned from vacation...his face was very red either through sunburn , the ingestion of too many peppers or some other undisclosed medical ailment.) Quite frankly he looked very old and not too well ..This was reflected particularly in his vocal performance and aspects of his stage performance ...it seemed to be a case of going through the motions. What I have just said is from the heart and is my honest reaction to the gig. However ,it is probably a great diservice to Ian as he genuinely worked tirelessly to present his work and entertain .. Indeed he used his whole wardrobe of audience pleasing moves..maybe that was the problem..this new trio and acoustic format probably demanded greater spontaneity. Musically it was a good show ..but some near me commented that it should have contained a dedicated drummer and bass player as this would have enhanced the music and made it less reliant upon Ian the vocalist. Others implied that Ian was doing all of this on the cheap.. no posters , minimal lighting . However ,asides about fothcoming releases were made, as opportunities to advertise the very expensive collectors edition of Aqualung were not missed.
The audience seemed satisfied by the whole experience though. The ensemble received warm and frequent applause and sustained calls for an encore.
Interesting to see what others think ...... when they see this show . I will reserve full judgement until I attend another show later in the tour. Best Preston
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Post by TM on Sept 5, 2011 12:05:48 GMT -5
Sorry if I offended anyone. Not sure why I was kicked off for stating an opinon. We can pussy (willow?) foot around the issue but the fact is what is transpiring is very disappointing but not surprising after the last few years. The most schocking part is the timing of the annoucement that one of the most seminal albums of all time will be played without an integral member of the band. No one objects to critical discussion, but at the same time we have no interest in people signing up who's sole purpose is to bash Ian or his fans. Hateful speech was the reason the original Tull board shut down and will not be tolerated here. But unlike the official board, this board is closely moderated so you will not last long if your only purpose is to hate on Ian.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 12:45:43 GMT -5
Thanks Preston,
I'd much rather hear that from a fan like yourself who values Ian, Tull and their collective outputs, than a casual observer or reviewer.
I'm seeing the show on Saturday, hopefully it will pick up as the tour progresses, hope your follow up shows are also better received.
Thanks again
Pat
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Post by Mix on Sept 5, 2011 14:02:46 GMT -5
Sorry if I offended anyone. Not sure why I was kicked off for stating an opinon. We can pussy (willow?) foot around the issue but the fact is what is transpiring is very disappointing but not surprising after the last few years. The most schocking part is the timing of the annoucement that one of the most seminal albums of all time will be played without an integral member of the band. No one objects to critical discussion, but at the same time we have no interest in people signing up who's sole purpose is to bash Ian or his fans. Hateful speech was the reason the original Tull board shut down and will not be tolerated here. But unlike the official board, this board is closely moderated so you will not last long if your only purpose is to hate on Ian. With respect TM, I think you're being a bit hard on Sunny. I'm sure he doesn't hate Ian but is just pissed off like so many of us at Ian's direction. I was really looking at spending the best part of 500 Euro to go to one of these gigs in the UK as it promised this tour was going to be something musically refreshing. Reading Preston's review seems to suggest business as usual minus less personnel and even more profit for Ian. The milking continues. I hope this tour improves but as of now I'm glad I didn't spend money on this.
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Post by sunnyjim on Sept 5, 2011 18:48:08 GMT -5
My objective is not to "bash Ian or his fans." Far from it. I was giving a critical assessment, albeit, with some humor, about the state of Tull. I would respect Ian more if he just said "Tull is over." Instead, every year Tull dates dwindle and IA dates increase. Now we're looking at 2012 with no Tull dates at all. It's absolutly his right to do that if he wants but not the right way to treat Martin, Doane and least of all, fans. What it comes down to is Ian bashing his own fanbase by making this descion. Why is he doing it? For fear of being kicked off again, I'll save that for another time. From the little I read out here, people are pretty astute as to why its happening.
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Post by TM on Sept 5, 2011 19:16:15 GMT -5
No one objects to critical discussion, but at the same time we have no interest in people signing up who's sole purpose is to bash Ian or his fans. Hateful speech was the reason the original Tull board shut down and will not be tolerated here. But unlike the official board, this board is closely moderated so you will not last long if your only purpose is to hate on Ian. With respect TM, I think you're being a bit hard on Sunny. I'm sure he doesn't hate Ian but is just pissed off like so many of us at Ian's direction. I was really looking at spending the best part of 500 Euro to go to one of these gigs in the UK as it promised this tour was going to be something musically refreshing. Reading Preston's review seems to suggest business as usual minus less personnel and even more profit for Ian. The milking continues. I hope this tour improves but as of now I'm glad I didn't spend money on this. Hi Mix. You know I'm just as critical as the next guy, but when someone signs on and starts bashing him with his very first post it does seem like there is little point to the relationship. Let us get to know you first before you start spewing the hatred otherwise you just come across as a troll.
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Post by jtul07 on Sept 5, 2011 19:46:25 GMT -5
It seems there are several ways to look at Ian today versus 40 years ago. I wish my hair was longer too, but I don't like wigs. I won't make excuses for things I can't understand so here are things I do understand. 1- Ian is still the focal point of Tull. 2- Martin is still a Metal God 3- Florian Opahle is fantastic 4- John O'Hara is surreal and and worthy of his years of being with Tull. 5- David Goodier is also a worthy Tull member and has been with the band quite a while. 6- Doane Perry is a great drummer and is still a member of Tull 7- Scott Hammond is another great drummer. What is all the fuss about? I hope every show is like the last one I saw last year when Ian toured with the guys he has. It is beyond belief that he can't deliver the goods next year too. I hope to see what develops before next year's tour. There are more surprises yet to come. Ian isn't milking anyone, he is changing direction when necessary. I see greater things on the horizon. Not dark clouds of doom.
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Post by Rrrrrrrray on Sept 5, 2011 23:02:58 GMT -5
If anybody gives a great wobbling bejeezus, Ian's trio show from last night in Gloucester is up there on Dime Torrents. I for one am dead pleased to see he opened with Boris Dancing. Beyond that it appears to be an identical setlist to the preceeding Ian tour, but, in a trio format, is bound to be quite some little bit different. Old stuck in his ways Ian Anderson. Ever so predictable. And if you think I mean that in a derisive way you don't know me very well. And according to the guy posting, who had a front row seat, it came out really good in terms of sound, though he nor any of the responders have made any reference to the actual performance.
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Post by Nonfatman on Sept 6, 2011 0:07:33 GMT -5
With respect TM, I think you're being a bit hard on Sunny. I'm sure he doesn't hate Ian but is just pissed off like so many of us at Ian's direction. I was really looking at spending the best part of 500 Euro to go to one of these gigs in the UK as it promised this tour was going to be something musically refreshing. Reading Preston's review seems to suggest business as usual minus less personnel and even more profit for Ian. The milking continues. I hope this tour improves but as of now I'm glad I didn't spend money on this. Hi Mix. You know I'm just as critical as the next guy, but when someone signs on and starts bashing him with his very first post it does seem like there is little point to the relationship. Let us get to know you first before you start spewing the hatred otherwise you just come across as a troll. Paul, I understand your point about at least introducing yourself first, so that we can see where you are coming from and what your perspective is, but frankly I was uncomfortable with the severe tone of your rebuke, the red-typefaced warning and some of the wording. I found it antithetical to the spirit of freedom we've always espoused. Plus, it reminded me too much of the place we left, i.e., rules, censorship, Ian-worship and the like. We have always been different, and I don't think we should be so keen on "moderating" what anyone has to say, or the manner in which they say it, except in the most extreme circumstances, which I don't feel exist in this case. I read the two posts by sonnyjim, one about crappy setlists and the other simply wondering how much Ian made from Cheap Day Return being played in a new movie, and found nothing really wrong with them, although as I stated, it would have been nicer had he introduced himself first so that he does not come across as "a troll." Still, I did not find any hatred in his posts. Pointed criticism, perhaps, but not hatred. One thing I am not sure about is whether he made any other posts that I may have missed which crossed the line in some way, although there is not much I would consider to be out of bounds. I say this because his post count indicates five, but I only see two posts under the name "sonnyjim". If there were others that were obscene or defamatory that have been deleted, then I would agree with you, but the two that are on the board as of now are not objectionable. "Ian-bashing", i.e., the expression of scorn or disapproval over his actions toward the fans, or about the way in which he manages Tull, is a legitimate point of view as far as I am concerned. There is quite a bit of that going on right now on Facebook, as many fans are venting their anger and disappointment over the countdown clock fiasco, the continued lack of new material, the Martin-less Brick and the perceived milking of the back catalogue. I don't agree with the notion that a member who joins here for the sole purpose of criticising Ian should be banned. I think it's okay for someone to do that. All fair game for The Jethro Tull Board. Jeff
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Post by Mix on Sept 6, 2011 4:04:54 GMT -5
Come on TM admit it, Ian has you on his payroll It won't be long before his agents identify Jeff and Quizz and then he can take over and brain wash the sheeple types here into buying the Aqualung box set and tickets to the Brick tour.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 4:13:48 GMT -5
Come on TM admit it, Ian has you on his payroll It won't be long before his agents identify Jeff and Quizz and then he can take over and brain wash the sheeple types here into buying the Aqualung box set and tickets to the Brick tour. Damn, we've been sussed. I have to admit though, My 'Brick' tickets were bought for me because i bought the solo gig tickets for the group of us. so, fair exchange....but I would have probably gone anyway, if only to round of the 40 years....plus the very faint possibility of seeing Barrie again on stage playing 'Tull',[The RFH wasn't enough] is too tempting.
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Post by jtul07 on Sept 6, 2011 5:56:12 GMT -5
Hey Ian. Please contact me soon so I can get on the payroll too. I think I've paid my dues since 1973. Does this include an autographed set list? Remember it's been almost 10 years since you came to Asheville, North Carolina. Bring the whole gang. I'll be waiting when tickets go on sale. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. Martin, I forgot to ask about your payroll. When will I get a chance to join? It would be great if you stop by to discuss this in Asheville next year. Mum's the word.
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Post by TM on Sept 6, 2011 9:25:50 GMT -5
Come on TM admit it, Ian has you on his payroll It won't be long before his agents identify Jeff and Quizz and then he can take over and brain wash the sheeple types here into buying the Aqualung box set and tickets to the Brick tour. LOL! You got me pegged Mix! ;D
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Post by TM on Sept 6, 2011 10:24:55 GMT -5
Paul, I understand your point about at least introducing yourself first, so that we can see where you are coming from and what your perspective is, but frankly I was uncomfortable with the severe tone of your rebuke, the red-typefaced warning and some of the wording. I found it antithetical to the spirit of freedom we've always espoused. Plus, it reminded me too much of the place we left, i.e., rules, censorship, Ian-worship and the like. We have always been different, and I don't think we should be so keen on "moderating" what anyone has to say, or the manner in which they say it, except in the most extreme circumstances, which I don't feel exist in this case. I read the two posts by sonnyjim, one about crappy setlists and the other simply wondering how much Ian made from Cheap Day Return being played in a new movie, and found nothing really wrong with them, although as I stated, it would have been nicer had he introduced himself first so that he does not come across as "a troll." Still, I did not find any hatred in his posts. Pointed criticism, perhaps, but not hatred. One thing I am not sure about is whether he made any other posts that I may have missed which crossed the line in some way, although there is not much I would consider to be out of bounds. I say this because his post count indicates five, but I only see two posts under the name "sonnyjim". If there were others that were obscene or defamatory that have been deleted, then I would agree with you, but the two that are on the board as of now are not objectionable. "Ian-bashing", i.e., the expression of scorn or disapproval over his actions toward the fans, or about the way in which he manages Tull, is a legitimate point of view as far as I am concerned. There is quite a bit of that going on right now on Facebook, as many fans are venting their anger and disappointment over the countdown clock fiasco, the continued lack of new material, the Martin-less Brick and the perceived milking of the back catalogue. I don't agree with the notion that a member who joins here for the sole purpose of criticising Ian should be banned. I think it's okay for someone to do that. All fair game for The Jethro Tull Board. Jeff Hi Jeff, Freedom of speech will always be available to our members as far as I'm concerned. And by "member," I mean someone the board has gotten to know. The two posts you read are not sonnyjims only posts as you surmised . His others were removed after it became very apparent what his motivation was. While I appreciate your concerns, I know you agree that it's just as important to make sure the people who killed the original Tull board, alt.music, and all the other previous Tull boards are not given the opportunity here. Paul
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Post by Nonfatman on Sept 6, 2011 11:08:17 GMT -5
Paul, I understand your point about at least introducing yourself first, so that we can see where you are coming from and what your perspective is, but frankly I was uncomfortable with the severe tone of your rebuke, the red-typefaced warning and some of the wording. I found it antithetical to the spirit of freedom we've always espoused. Plus, it reminded me too much of the place we left, i.e., rules, censorship, Ian-worship and the like. We have always been different, and I don't think we should be so keen on "moderating" what anyone has to say, or the manner in which they say it, except in the most extreme circumstances, which I don't feel exist in this case. I read the two posts by sonnyjim, one about crappy setlists and the other simply wondering how much Ian made from Cheap Day Return being played in a new movie, and found nothing really wrong with them, although as I stated, it would have been nicer had he introduced himself first so that he does not come across as "a troll." Still, I did not find any hatred in his posts. Pointed criticism, perhaps, but not hatred. One thing I am not sure about is whether he made any other posts that I may have missed which crossed the line in some way, although there is not much I would consider to be out of bounds. I say this because his post count indicates five, but I only see two posts under the name "sonnyjim". If there were others that were obscene or defamatory that have been deleted, then I would agree with you, but the two that are on the board as of now are not objectionable. "Ian-bashing", i.e., the expression of scorn or disapproval over his actions toward the fans, or about the way in which he manages Tull, is a legitimate point of view as far as I am concerned. There is quite a bit of that going on right now on Facebook, as many fans are venting their anger and disappointment over the countdown clock fiasco, the continued lack of new material, the Martin-less Brick and the perceived milking of the back catalogue. I don't agree with the notion that a member who joins here for the sole purpose of criticising Ian should be banned. I think it's okay for someone to do that. All fair game for The Jethro Tull Board. Jeff Hi Jeff, Freedom of speech will always be available to our members as far as I'm concerned. And by "member," I mean someone the board has gotten to know. The two posts you read are not sonnyjims only posts as you surmised . His others were removed after it became very apparent what his motivation was. While I appreciate your concerns, I know you agree that it's just as important to make sure the people who killed the original Tull board, alt.music, and all the other previous Tull boards are not given the opportunity here. Paul Absolutely, if the guy is just here to yank everyone's chain from the get-go, then you are right. I figured there were some other posts that I did not see. Jeff
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Post by pamelasews on Sept 6, 2011 11:32:26 GMT -5
Hey, the solo tour isn't for everyone. I am happy with the list, and disappointed I had to shorten my trip as I had tickets for the first two nights. But am off soon to the Bristol show. I am not that surprised at the set list. The response last fall was incredibly good, so it stands to reason it would be similar. Besides, now John is preparing for the TAAB show (I expect he is looking forward to the challenge) so I expect Ian wanted to keep it simple for those reasons. My first trip to the UK, and had I seen the set list I probably would have used all those tickets I got. I enjoyed it each time I saw it last fall. But then front row tickets can make a difference.
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Post by TM on Sept 6, 2011 11:38:59 GMT -5
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Post by pamelasews on Sept 6, 2011 11:40:13 GMT -5
I was going to say before hitting the wrong button that often after a few shows, Ian does really get warmed up and going strong. I imagine you might see that as well.
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