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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 16:38:33 GMT -5
and all because the ice-cream lady wet her drawers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 19:54:11 GMT -5
This video is rather disturbing. I would expect Ian to be upset, however the best way to handle the situation would be to let security do their job. The audience does not want to see an Angry Ian. Well, It's obvious to me what happened here......It was the mistake that appeared on many of the concert posters. This (possibly rude american tourist and fan) thought he was at a Jethro Tull concert!! One of the people that Ian thought he was shedding by calling TAAB 2 "an Ian Anderson" project. Was it possible he/she was yelling "Play Aqualung!" I guess Ian's plan...didn't work. heheheh Unfortunately this is a part of our "favorite frontman" I have been witness to a couple of Ian's "displays" over the years including his jumping into the front rows of the audience to take a joint away from a very surprised (and probably more stoned than me!) Jethro Tull fan at the Universal Amphitheater in 1985. The next few shows were cancelled over throat problems, so he probably wasn't feeling to good that night and a little cranky...... Darin
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Post by Teacher on Jul 22, 2012 20:53:10 GMT -5
I think seeing a concert like this is gift and a privilege. True artist are notoriously temperamental and I think this is no exception. I can only imagine the stamina it takes to put on a tour like this, keeping in mind that Ian does much more than just sing and play here. I really think I can understand this. Just me though. What does that mean? Who knows!
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Post by Nonfatman on Jul 22, 2012 23:05:08 GMT -5
Great Pat, well done !! Pick whatever you wish out for the BSM. And now the shocking moment, as I said previously, the audience at San Javier venue lived during the A Change Of Horses performance and which hasn't been before mentioned by anyone. At approximadetely 0:22 minutes time Ian, very angry, cut the singing off to address to a guy or girl, don't know it well, to express him his angriness for something he did or said. it's easy to get some Ian's dirty words towards the person in question. Highly distasteful. Ian finally got the security employees did drive him or her out the venue. Check it out and pull your own points of view out. Astonishing ! So Ian does think he's Roger Waters. Ian should just chill out and play his tune. Sorry Ian old friend these people paid a hundred bucks to see the show and while maybe a little rude, they don't have to pay attention to your fuckin Change of Horses if they don't want to. Gettin harder to conceal your bitterness these days? Should they go ahead and shoot themselves during the show also? Not sure what i'd do if he screamed at me like that That's outrageous. I've seen other outbursts by Ian toward audience members but this is by far the worst. I'm sure that ruined the show for a lot of fans that night. He did something similar -- but not as bad -- at a Beacon show I was at, and the girl I was with got totally turned off to the show. This, together with the AND interview and his treatment of Martin, is tarnishing the entire album and tour for me. And I have to say, the album is shrinking on me, and I don't like Florian's electric guitar playing all that much. After the first four or five listens, I've had no great desire to play it over and over again. Maybe it's because all of Ian's bullshit is getting to me, I don't know. Jeff
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Post by Icy Lucifer on Jul 23, 2012 5:34:27 GMT -5
Yes, I mean its hugely disappointing to hear this. On one level I can understand it. At the show we were at in Glasgow, one nutter in a Black Country Communion t-shirt kept whooping and hollering during taab1 but in TAAB 2 the alcohol (never a great mix for Glaswegians and 'rock' music) had quietened him down. Or maybe he hadn't taken the trouble to listen to taab2 before the concert. Other than that it was pretty quiet, but we were in the posh seats (for Hermione will not go unless we pay top £) and it was only the second gig. But, apart from the BCC nutter, the audience I would have said was pretty attentive. Anyway its still disappointing. As regards taab2 I must admit that I am now only listening to 5 or 6 tracks on a playlist. Looking forward to the vinyl issue though. Just now I'm listening to Groundhogs and Mountain. icyL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 5:57:56 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn't a 'Hello Sun, Hello Bird' type of day for him that day,
Got up, shit headache, sore throat, bad breakfast, frothless cappucino, zip busted on his fly, went out to take some snaps and realised no SD card in the camera at that precise moment the UFO skimmed above the town; ordered a pannini for lunch then realised he was in Spain and got a glaring look from the waiter, tripped up on the way to the soundcheck and had to turn it into one of those stupid skips and a 'oh shit, make it look like I did that deliberately' moment; got in the venue to find that the pre-gig meal was all runner beans and fish, the chardonnay wasn't chilled enough and the loo iin the dressing room had no paper, and the spare was too far away to avoid that buttock clenching moment when you know, that you really don't need to perform any buttock clenching movements. Washed hands, pulled on roller towel to find that some smart arse had already used it, it had reached the end and they had shoved the end back up to make it look like it was ok; dried hands on 6" of damp dirty remnants of towel.
Got back to tune up and broke two strings, had a sandwich and bit own lip twice....in the same spot. Misplaced flute.
Bollocks what a shit day.
Got out on stage all going reasonably well, but damn that bitten lip and those two strings just aren't playing right.
Meanwhile
Nice chap in 2nd row turns to wife and says 'thank you for buying me the ticket for our anniversary, my favourite musician, it was such a surprise, I love you so much...."
then..........
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Post by Icy Lucifer on Jul 23, 2012 6:38:33 GMT -5
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Post by jtul07 on Jul 23, 2012 6:50:26 GMT -5
This, together with the AND interview and his treatment of Martin, is tarnishing the entire album and tour for me. And I have to say, the album is shrinking on me, and I don't like Florian's electric guitar playing all that much. After the first four or five listens, I've had no great desire to play it over and over again. Maybe it's because all of Ian's bullshit is getting to me, I don't know. Jeff It's okay Jeff. I don't play the new album every day either. But when I do, I always feel refreshed. That is true with most Tull music. There is so much to choose from, why limit yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 9:09:11 GMT -5
hey schmuck!
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Post by TM on Jul 23, 2012 9:46:12 GMT -5
I don't know. I just don't have a problem with Ian calling out this asshole for being a distraction. Ian's up there working his ass off to give a decent performance. Is it wrong of him to expect a little respect? If you can't behave, then get up and go to the bar, or we're going to have to kick your ass.
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Post by janu on Jul 23, 2012 9:50:06 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn't a 'Hello Sun, Hello Bird' type of day for him that day, Got up, shit headache, sore throat, bad breakfast, frothless cappucino, zip busted on his fly, went out to take some snaps and realised no SD card in the camera at that precise moment the UFO skimmed above the town; ordered a pannini for lunch then realised he was in Spain and got a glaring look from the waiter, tripped up on the way to the soundcheck and had to turn it into one of those stupid skips and a 'oh shit, make it look like I did that deliberately' moment; got in the venue to find that the pre-gig meal was all runner beans and fish, the chardonnay wasn't chilled enough and the loo iin the dressing room had no paper, and the spare was too far away to avoid that buttock clenching moment when you know, that you really don't need to perform any buttock clenching movements. Washed hands, pulled on roller towel to find that some smart arse had already used it, it had reached the end and they had shoved the end back up to make it look like it was ok; dried hands on 6" of damp dirty remnants of towel. Got back to tune up and broke two strings, had a sandwich and bit own lip twice....in the same spot. Misplaced flute. Bollocks what a shit day. Got out on stage all going reasonably well, but damn that bitten lip and those two strings just aren't playing right. Meanwhile Nice chap in 2nd row turns to wife and says 'thank you for buying me the ticket for our anniversary, my favourite musician, it was such a surprise, I love you so much...." then.......... ;D LOL Things could have developed even worse all that day long
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Post by jtul07 on Jul 23, 2012 10:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by Nonfatman on Jul 23, 2012 10:33:51 GMT -5
Ian was obviously talking to somebody in the front rows. Janu was sitting nearby, in the second row, when he recorded this. He said there was no disruption from anyone in the audience and that the audience was being respectful and attentive, without anyone shouting out. Also, nobody is heard yelling on the clip before Ian's blow-up. Janu's comments indicate that he was shocked by what Ian did, and that it was totally uncalled for. Just like that time I mentioned at the Beacon, when his totally gratuitous cursing out of an audience member cost him a new fan, i.e., the girl I took to the show, who was loving it until he did that, and then got totally turned off to the show because Ian was such a prick. I think Erin said it best. People at a rock show are excited and giddy. It's not uncommon to talk to a friend about what's being played. A certain amount of talking can be expected. It's not a religious service, it's a rock show. There was nothing on the video that justified Ian's behavior, no shouting, no discourteous or rude audience behavor, just normal talking. A true professional does not lose his cool in that way, over nothing. Performers very often are divas who think who the hell they are. They have an inflated sense of self-importance. I witnessed something similar at a one-man show Billy Crystal did on Broadway a few years back. Someone's cellphone rang two times, big deal, but Crystal interrupted his monologue to lace into the guy, and he was a real asshole about it. How did he know that it was not an emergency call? Maybe it was the babysitter calling about an emergency with the kids, or maybe someone had gotten into an accident. Oh, one other thing. The next time Ian compares himself to Roger Waters (one of the worst douchebags in the industry), I think I'm going to puke. Jeff
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Post by My God on Jul 23, 2012 12:28:17 GMT -5
I don't know. I just don't have a problem with Ian calling out this asshole for being a distraction. Ian's up there working his ass off to give a decent performance. Is it wrong of him to expect a little respect? If you can't behave, then get up and go to the bar, or we're going to have to kick your ass. You get all kinds, even though you don't need them.
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Post by TM on Jul 23, 2012 16:17:47 GMT -5
I never thought of Ian as a diva. And while I didn't hear anything on Serge's video as well, it obviously rankled Ian enough to throw him out.
I can also understand how Serge wouldn't have known what was going on because his focus would be on the recording and not the periphery.
I don't know, I guess I'm just getting old. Showing the artist a little respect is really not too much to ask is it?
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Post by janu on Jul 24, 2012 1:07:27 GMT -5
I never thought of Ian as a diva. And while I didn't hear anything on Serge's video as well, it obviously rankled Ian enough to throw him out. I can also understand how Serge wouldn't have known what was going on because his focus would be on the recording and not the periphery. I don't know, I guess I'm just getting old. Showing the artist a little respect is really not too much to ask is it? Hi Paul, Yes I could have been a bit absorbed paying my whole attention in filiming the nice A Change of Horses performance and to have overlooked something were ocurring, yet I can firmly ensure you that no woodcutters shouts were being listened among the audience at this not too much large arena. Anyway my hearing problems may lead me astray and that person could have been talking enough to anger Ian though in no ways that person was shouting loudly asking for Aqualung or My God ;D and what wasn't an excuse enough for Ian or anybody to throw kind of dirty words toward other person. Ian blew then that song away just till the only encore took place in San Javier as everybody run eagerly to the front of the stage to shout and dance along the Locomotive Breath performance and waiting for My God turn not gettin' it unfortunately for us
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 8:14:00 GMT -5
I am getting tired of Mr Anderson's actions of late. .. Remember a couple of years ago he basically said the fans in the US where nothing but drunks. Well that started my dissatisfaction with Ian. He made lots of money over here and to trash the fans is petty. His excuse was loud crowds and them being disrespectful to them and making too much noise in the "quite parts". Mainly during TAAB tour, well as soon as people realized it was the band playing for the most parts the sat down..In later days Ian says the "drunks" always would just yell out during thier performances well I am sure that that did happen on some occasions. However as long as "the fan" is not disturbing the people "other fans" around them, Ian should be professional enough to just shut up and play..or have some one from security quietly have the person removed. I do not like being called a drunk. This is just another incident and this time again with no provocation from fans Ian goes off.. So we are all supposed to shut up and take it... I am sorry no way!!! This is a shame that he has done this countless times. Janu was right there 2nd row said he saw absolutely nothing to get that kind of response from Ian
I am sure Ian will come up with some spin instead of taking the high road say ooppps I was having a bad day I am sorry.
In the Last issue of AND Ian has basically told us all to FOff if we don't like what he does, and he is right to a certain degree we can choose how we spend our dollars. Remember when Ian hated "Prog" now he is all right with it because it suits him.. Personally I dont think TAAB2 is prog, but that is just me.
Ian is a most gifted and talented musician,song writer and performer. probably one of the best ever. I think time will bear that out. He is a crafty and shrewd business person. As a person I think it there is a lot room for improvement. These are just my opinions
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 15:18:08 GMT -5
There must be nothing more distracting to a musician than having someone taking your attention away from performng, particularly if you're the sort of performer that gets lost in the music and performance. I believe Ian is that type as he is focussed very much in everything he seems to undertake.
There can also nothing more distracting to a punter [i.e. this one] who after splashing out good, hard earned cash on a ticket only to find themselves sitting next to some dick on the 'phone, or having a twat sat in front watching the show on the screen of their mobile.
Equally I have a big problem with the incessant whooping and yelling that now pervades gigs. just sit watch the show ffs. The Union Chapel gig was ruined fior me last year by a bunch from the west country who seemd to think making a brouhaha at every reference by Ian to 'Prog' was clever. They were nothing more than a bunch of aging twats who couldn't act their age even if they were shoved back up into the womb.
BUT, like Charlie I can't take the lecturing and the criticism levelled at audiences generally and punters by artists, Bono is one such lecturer, Sting was another and it seems Ian is no different.
Oddly Ian has cited Sting as 'being up his own arse' and here we find Ian trashing American audiences as drunks, telling fans who might have an opinion to 'fuck off and shoot themselves' and now screaming obscenities from the stage. I've seen Townshend do it, it didn't make him look big, I've seen Paul Weller do it, it didn't make him look clever, and I have to say I always thought that Ian might be above and beyond that sort of response, I've heard the stories about this sort of 'attack' but tended to think they were exaggerated. Obviously I was wrong.
There must have been a better way to deal with this, a quiet word with a stage hand in the wings, and let the house staff deal with the person.
Ian has every right to hope for, and possibly expect, an attentive and appreciative audience, but I have to agree with Charlie, if you slag the fans off publicly then there's going to be some sort of comeback.
Most are with Ian for the ride, and many of the old school fans like me will be there to the end, so, that's Ian's lifestyle funded for sometime.
Keep kicking us in the teeth, call us drunks, tell us to fuck off and shoot ourselves and many might just think about whether Ian wants them and their cash along for the ride, and if that happens who is the biggest or more to the point financial loser?
Maybe we can 'retire' for a year due to adverse criticism and then come back to see him next year and say it was a ill advised publicity stunt dreamed up by the management.
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Post by TM on Jul 24, 2012 15:34:47 GMT -5
I never thought of Ian as a diva. And while I didn't hear anything on Serge's video as well, it obviously rankled Ian enough to throw him out. I can also understand how Serge wouldn't have known what was going on because his focus would be on the recording and not the periphery. I don't know, I guess I'm just getting old. Showing the artist a little respect is really not too much to ask is it? Hi Paul, Yes I could have been a bit absorbed paying my whole attention in filiming the nice A Change of Horses performance and to have overlooked something were ocurring, yet I can firmly ensure you that no woodcutters shouts were being listened among the audience at this not too much large arena. Anyway my hearing problems may lead me astray and that person could have been talking enough to anger Ian though in no ways that person was shouting loudly asking for Aqualung or My God ;D and what wasn't an excuse enough for Ian or anybody to throw kind of dirty words toward other person. Ian blew then that song away just till the only encore took place in San Javier as everybody run eagerly to the front of the stage to shout and dance along the Locomotive Breath performance and waiting for My God turn not gettin' it unfortunately for us Hi Serge, Your recording device did not capture the audio, but Ian did seem frustrated by it. If you listen he clearly is not able to communicate what he was thinking at the time. He tried to say to the guy that if he ways so talented, why doesn't he come up and perform. It was definitely wrong to curse and all, but I can understand his frustration.
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Post by TM on Jul 24, 2012 15:51:41 GMT -5
There must be nothing more distracting to a musician than having someone taking your attention away from performng, particularly if you're the sort of performer that gets lost in the music and performance. I believe Ian is that type as he is focussed very much in everything he seems to undertake. There can also nothing more distracting to a punter [i.e. this one] who after splashing out good, hard earned cash on a ticket only to find themselves sitting next to some dick on the 'phone, or having a twat sat in front watching the show on the screen of their mobile. Equally I have a big problem with the incessant whooping and yelling that now pervades gigs. just sit watch the show ffs. The Union Chapel gig was ruined fior me last year by a bunch from the west country who seemd to think making a brouhaha at every reference by Ian to 'Prog' was clever. They were nothing more than a bunch of aging twats who couldn't act their age even if they were shoved back up into the womb. BUT, like Charlie I can't take the lecturing and the criticism levelled at audiences generally and punters by artists, Bono is one such lecturer, Sting was another and it seems Ian is no different. Oddly Ian has cited Sting as 'being up his own arse' and here we find Ian trashing American audiences as drunks, telling fans who might have an opinion to 'fuck off and shoot themselves' and now screaming obscenities from the stage. I've seen Townshend do it, it didn't make him look big, I've seen Paul Weller do it, it didn't make him look clever, and I have to say I always thought that Ian might be above and beyond that sort of response, I've heard the stories about this sort of 'attack' but tended to think they were exaggerated. Obviously I was wrong. There must have been a better way to deal with this, a quiet word with a stage hand in the wings, and let the house staff deal with the person. Ian has every right to hope for, and possibly expect, an attentive and appreciative audience, but I have to agree with Charlie, if you slag the fans off publicly then there's going to be some sort of comeback. Most are with Ian for the ride, and many of the old school fans like me will be there to the end, so, that's Ian's lifestyle funded for sometime. Keep kicking us in the teeth, call us drunks, tell us to fuck off and shoot ourselves and many might just think about whether Ian wants them and their cash along for the ride, and if that happens who is the biggest or more to the point financial loser? Maybe we can 'retire' for a year due to adverse criticism and then come back to see him next year and say it was a ill advised publicity stunt dreamed up by the management. lol. I did the "retirement" thing for a couple years - around the 40th anniversary. The truth is I had it. I had it with comments about us fans, I had it with the lack of new material, the orchestral stuff, the special guests performing in the Tull set, the performance of cover tunes, etc. I took a step back and tossed away all my expectations of Ian and what Jethro Tull should be and do. Now it's all just gravy...
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Post by Nursie Dear on Jul 24, 2012 18:30:04 GMT -5
No matter the reason Ian was out of line plain and simple! I could see a "I can't concetrate when your'e talking!" or even a stern "Be quiet!" The bottom line is every fan walked out of there that night thinking "What happend?" "Was I in trouble too for my talking?!" He ruined the show for everyone because he was annoyed. Like an actor breaking character, the illusion never recovers! Sad really.
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Post by Nonfatman on Jul 24, 2012 19:06:00 GMT -5
No matter the reason Ian was out of line plain and simple! I could see a "I can't concetrate when your'e talking!" or even a stern "Be quiet!" The bottom line is every fan walked out of there that night thinking "What happend?" "Was I in trouble too for my talking?!" He ruined the show for everyone because he was annoyed. Like an actor breaking character, the illusion never recovers! Sad really. Well said, John. There was no need for such an overweening reaction by Ian to such a minor offense as mere talking. Totally unprofessional. In life, and in any business or profession, little annoying things happen all the time, but people can't go around reacting like that. Think about customer service, for example, those people have to put up with a lot of irate customers, yet they have to maintain their cool. Nice to see you again on The Board! Jeff
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Post by Nursie Dear on Jul 24, 2012 19:11:21 GMT -5
Thanks Jeff, Iv'e had computer problems and can't figure out how to post from the old smart phone.
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Post by Nursie Dear on Jul 24, 2012 19:20:21 GMT -5
Exactly Jeff! I work with a lot of teenage parents and believe me, I could go off on them very often! But you know what? I respect them even though their current station in life is much lower than mine. I respect them because then they in turn respect me. I do correct them by educating them. That's what really helps them and me. Not a belittleing outburst. Never helps anything really!
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