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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 23:41:30 GMT -5
I know this is probably a subject most of you have learned about and come to terms with in the past, but I hope you will indulge this young Tull fan's curiosity.
What is the story behind that 1975 feature length concert film that has not yet been released. I think it was in Paris? I remember hearing about it years ago, and after watching video clips of it uploaded by TullTapes My interest was renewed.
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Post by jtul07 on Jul 15, 2012 5:51:57 GMT -5
I know this is probably a subject most of you have learned about and come to terms with in the past, but I hope you will indulge this young Tull fan's curiosity.
What is the story behind that 1975 feature length concert film that has not yet been released. I think it was in Paris? I remember hearing about it years ago, and after watching video clips of it uploaded by TullTapes My interest was renewed. For some reason I believe Ian or Chrysalis did not want to pay royalties for the complete film. They just used snippets as a promotional tool which later emerged. Even in the 20th Anniversary Video it was incomplete.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 8:07:25 GMT -5
Wow, really? We need to start a fundraiser!
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Post by Dan on Jul 15, 2012 8:41:36 GMT -5
This doesn't really clarify anything but in Greg Russo's book, Flying Colours he mentions it ....
The July 5th show in Paris, which lasted 70 minutes, was filmed and recorded by Ian Anderson for release on the new videodisc format. Presenting a concert for public consumption via cutting edge technology was one of Ian's wishes, but he was not taken seriously enough by Chrysalis to make it a reality. Ian spent three weeks in Brussels, Belgium to mix the tapes, but it became wasted effort when the technology and the interest in releasing the show on videodisc or tape was still financially out of reach to the vast fan base that Anderson wanted to target.
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Post by jtul07 on Jul 15, 2012 9:21:28 GMT -5
The overall feeling I have with concert videos is mixed. When Tull first came out with "Slipstream" it was pieced together with some lip synched songs. I realize they wanted to be entertaining, but a Live Video should always be LIVE.
The Anniversary compilations and even "Living With the Past" DVD are nice but incomplete. I really enjoy the Montreux 2003 and AVO Session in Basel 2008 because they are truly live. Put the interviews on added bonus features and I won't complain a bit. (Hear that Ian?)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 14:32:22 GMT -5
This doesn't really clarify anything but in Greg Russo's book, Flying Colours he mentions it .... The July 5th show in Paris, which lasted 70 minutes, was filmed and recorded by Ian Anderson for release on the new videodisc format. Presenting a concert for public consumption via cutting edge technology was one of Ian's wishes, but he was not taken seriously enough by Chrysalis to make it a reality. Ian spent three weeks in Brussels, Belgium to mix the tapes, but it became wasted effort when the technology and the interest in releasing the show on videodisc or tape was still financially out of reach to the vast fan base that Anderson wanted to target. Dan Thanks for the info Dan. Chrysalis never really gave Ian his due, did they? Jim, I love the Montreux concert, but I always thought the AVO sessions lacked passion to a large extent.
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Post by jtul07 on Jul 15, 2012 15:31:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 15:33:43 GMT -5
Yes Kai there was a full 70 min concert (and more) filmed in Paris 1975 but never released. I'm sure Ian or Terry Ellis have it stashed in the vaults somewhere. Maybe we can get James to search around for it ;D For now I would settle for the live audio mix which Ian is holding back on releasing! Of course you can hear A Passion Play (extract) from this show which Ian had mixed for the 25th anniversary boxset ( Disc 4 Pot Pourri Live Across The World & Through The Years).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 15:43:07 GMT -5
Most of the later live stuff released by Ian is all overdubbed and smoothed out anyway. Good examples of Live Tull DVD's would be Isle of White 70, Tanglewood 70, Tullavision 76, MSG 78. The BBC 77 Stuff is less of a live setting to me. The WOR special "Minstrels in the Gallery" from 1977 had some great live stuff filmed by WOR. Would love to see the entire concert if exists. Also the BBC Documentary from 1979 has some great stuff from Seattle with Glasscock! Would love to see that also!
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Post by jtul07 on Jul 15, 2012 16:37:09 GMT -5
HOLY DARK AGES ! This is the Good Stuff
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Post by jtul07 on Jul 15, 2012 17:11:45 GMT -5
Jethro Tull Lively Arts Documentary 1979 Includes Concert, Soundcheck, Offstage And Interview Footage From Their North American Tour.. Pro Shot. Running Time Is 1 Hour. Includes Box & Artwork. My God Clip & Interview Wond'ring Aloud Soundcheck Songs From The Wood Clip Airplane Interview Thick As A Brick Clip & Stage Setup Dark Ages - Studio Footage My God Flute Solo Clip David Palmer Interview Heavy Horses Clip & Interview Waters Edge Ballet With Concert Clips Ian Radio One Interview John Evans Interview Locomotive Breath Clips Studio Jam Apocalypse Rehearsal Before Show Footage Sweet Dream Clips Dark Ages - Full Song
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 17:39:54 GMT -5
This is a great documentary but this and other tull dvd's on this site are bootleg material and somebodys been making lots of tax free cash off these and should be shut down. Maybe we need to start a Tull tree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 20:30:44 GMT -5
This is a great documentary but this and other tull dvd's on this site are bootleg material and somebodys been making lots of tax free cash off these and should be shut down. Maybe we need to start a Tull tree. A Tull tree would be great. I personally am not so much against peoplenselling concert footage that the band or record label itself is not making available to their fans, but you can find the lively arts documentary on YouTube for free, and that's the way it should be.
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Post by Teacher on Jul 15, 2012 20:49:23 GMT -5
This is so interesting. There is so much information that I never realized was out there. I so appreciate the knowledge that you all share. I have been a Tull fan since pretty much the beginning and no matter what you want to call them these days I will always love this music.
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Post by kcrvrrnnr on Jul 15, 2012 21:36:14 GMT -5
This is a great documentary but this and other tull dvd's on this site are bootleg material and somebodys been making lots of tax free cash off these and should be shut down. Maybe we need to start a Tull tree. A Tull tree would be great. I personally am not so much against peoplenselling concert footage that the band or record label itself is not making available to their fans, but you can find the lively arts documentary on YouTube for free, and that's the way it should be. Such a tree actually existed years ago on alt-music-jethro-tull. Concert bootlegs were cleaned up and issued with unique packaging. No payment expected save blank CDs in a swap. Alas, that group fell victim to a very nasty and persistent troll and to my knowledge has not existed for years.
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Post by LJG on Jul 15, 2012 23:04:39 GMT -5
A complete 75 show languishing in the vaults is a travesty.
Nothing less. Sigh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 1:38:18 GMT -5
A Tull tree would be great. I personally am not so much against peoplenselling concert footage that the band or record label itself is not making available to their fans, but you can find the lively arts documentary on YouTube for free, and that's the way it should be. Such a tree actually existed years ago on alt-music-jethro-tull. Concert bootlegs were cleaned up and issued with unique packaging. No payment expected save blank CDs in a swap. Alas, that group fell victim to a very nasty and persistent troll and to my knowledge has not existed for years. I was member there. Picked up a few of the Tulltree releases. They did a pretty good job. I do remember having to send in money though, and at some point there's was a bit of a problem about it. Not quite as bad as the troll. Darin
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 23:11:16 GMT -5
I imagine that there would be too much money to be made to stay unreleased forever.. I just hope it isn't too long..
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Post by Jim Carson on Oct 16, 2012 17:55:57 GMT -5
The 75 Pairs concert film is in Ian's possession, i believe he said it never got released because there was either something wrong with the sound or he didn't like the way it sounds, witch means we will never hear the whole thing haha.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 23:52:15 GMT -5
The 75 Pairs concert film is in Ian's possession, i believe he said it never got released because there was either something wrong with the sound or he didn't like the way it sounds, witch means we will never hear the whole thing haha. I don't know if we will never hear it. Honestly if Ian were to take the steps to have the DVD released it would sell a ton, considerably. And money talks. I think if the film and audio stays intact we will eventually hear it.
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Post by Mttbsh on Oct 17, 2012 0:09:26 GMT -5
From the snippets we've seen of the Paris film it's obvious that the quality is excellent, the scene from behind of Martin diving to the front of the stage at the start of Crosseyed Mary alone convinces me that it would easily be the best and most exciting professional concert footage of Tull available. The band were still amazing on their 1975 tour, one of their best in my opinion. I remember leaving that concert feeling almost as overwhelmed as I did after the TAAB concert in 1972.
The Who just released a DVD of a 1975 Texas concert that is less than perfectly filmed for sure, and never meant for release, but it manages to capture the intensity of a mid-70s Who concert. I don't understand why Ian can't do the same for the fans. I agree that it would sell very well. I would be willing to buy the first 100 copies!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 9:50:39 GMT -5
Maybe it will be in a 40th anniversary package of Minstrel In The Gallery...
Which would be worth it just for that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 11:17:28 GMT -5
Maybe it will be in a 40th anniversary package of Minstrel In The Gallery... Which would be worth it just for that. That's not a bad idea Charlie, Ill bet EMI wishes they would've thought of it. Let's hope that they have. It would make a lot of sense and help the sale of the album and be a good excuse to piggyback the cost of production and distribution for the video. I think Ian and maybe more so EMI see a somewhat limited market for "Tull". I know everyone here would buy it, but comparatively, the market for dedicated Tull is fairly set. It's something that Ian knows fairly well I bet. Maybe they see it as even smaller when it concerns "nostalgia" like a video (that of course WE are clamoring for) from 1975. I'll bet Ian could predict initial and long term sales in certain areas of the world pretty accurately and off the top of his head. I'm certainly not trying to be a wet blanket about this video. Ian just has to look at this as moneymaking or not and he probably doesn't see a "huge" return on it. As much as we would love it. I myself have spent hours upon hours (certainly not as many as Tulltapes) on "messaging", reworking and meticulously matching sometimes horrible looking film with marginally bad audio. Hours upon hours. All for the love of seeing the result and recreating some exciting bit of a long time ago. Now, if I was working for Ian and doing this on some hourly basis? I might have a very angry and nagging client who saw my loving niggling (hours are dollars/pounds) as cutting deeply into his budget. These kind of things play into why we may not be getting some of those bits, odds and ends that maybe in some dark attic or bottom shelf in some TV studio or commercial library. Unless Ian owns them in the first place, they'll cost quite a bit for the rights to re sell. Like the Ballerina from APP? or the pro shot film taken during the APP tour? (sound or not) and of course the Paris 1975. paired with a Steven Wilson re-mix of Minstrel would make a great pairing. Always a winner. Sorry for droning on, but I'm all over the subject of videos, can't get enough. Darin Cody
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Post by TM on Oct 17, 2012 12:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 12:20:17 GMT -5
I had heard the same, but I think it is a lot easier to figure it out then people are being led to believe IMO
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