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Post by Icy Lucifer on Nov 6, 2012 5:12:01 GMT -5
Unboxing the CD/DVD release (not the vinyl)
WARNING: Do NOT watch if you'd rather have the excitement of opening it fresh yourself.
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Post by TM on Nov 6, 2012 8:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on Nov 6, 2012 9:07:32 GMT -5
I pre-ordered my cd/dvd combo on Amazon a while back which claimed I would get it today. No such luck! Got a message saying it was just shipping today.  That stinks. Do you think Sandy had anything to do with it? Amazon said mine is supposed to arrive today via UPS and it's out for delivery. |
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Post by TM on Nov 6, 2012 9:46:59 GMT -5
I pre-ordered my cd/dvd combo on Amazon a while back which claimed I would get it today. No such luck! Got a message saying it was just shipping today. That stinks. Do you think Sandy had anything to do with it? Amazon said mine is supposed to arrive today via UPS and it's out for delivery. I don't know. This has happened before - with the Aqualung release. For some reason I never get them as promised. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 11:15:28 GMT -5
Got my personal CD/DVD and vinyl sets today from Amazon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 14:37:21 GMT -5
I just got my CD?DVD from Amazon this very minute. Have not had time to go through it all yet. Looks interesting. The first 48 pages of the book(let) are the original newspaper. Then there is a large color section and well other goodies that I will let others discover for themselves.
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Post by TM on Nov 6, 2012 14:54:18 GMT -5
Just got an email telling me I'll see mine on Thursday.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 0:36:11 GMT -5
My vinyl is not in yet but I love the CD/DVD packaging. Book has some nice glossy color rare photos & some great info. I highly recommend the purchase! Should be able to find it at a pretty reasonable price also..Time to fire up the 5.1 theatre. This is going to be insanity! :Pand..Darin's new banner looks awesome  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 1:20:27 GMT -5
Well I got mine.
I've been listening to it, on my third listen now and I am puzzled /disappointed in the 5.1.
It's almost like Wilson got lost or something, or maybe I am. The levels change, up and down, different instruments get the upfront treatment while others disappear into a deep background reverb. It's kind of cool in some ways to hear some parts that have been buried in the mix all these years but on the other hand some mainstay parts fall into the background. Just before the "jig" the organ is so deeply buried in reverb that I think Im missing a speaker ......but Im not.
I have different feature sets on my 5.1 and I've switched them around a few times thinking it was me but to no avail. The first instrumental in The Poet and the Painter which used to somewhat feature Martin now has him buried with organ drums and bass up front. Very odd choices. Second side during the Seagulls Call, Ian, voice and acoustic are nicely up front and when the electric instruments come in they are drastically turned down. Comically I keep changing settings and getting the same but different result. Finally I just put on the New Stereo 96/24 and found the The TAAB I know. I assume that that's what was streamed the other day. Very clean and nice.
I put on the Aqualung 5.1 surround Blu Ray and found the the optimal setting for that and I love how the more acoustic songs spread out on that without losing some of the core of the song.
Then used the same settings for TAAB, no luck. Maybe it's that it's not Blu Ray??
I have a feeling that the more exotic the 5.1 surround treatment it gets the more it relies on a very specific system. Mine is 2.5 years old, with updated firmware and maybe this all works great in Steven Wilson's studio but I'm left wondering .....out loud.
Love the color supplement with a few bugaboos. Liked the interview with Robin Black and Eric Brooks never heard from them before, very cool, but the big tour photo of everyone, crew plus Livingston Taylor et al, is from the A Passion Play Tour! (I see the projectionist Bill Cardinell, who showed the "Hare....." I gave him that etching to pass on to Ian at the International Hotel in LA in 73) so much for the buried treasures. I'm just not seeing much I haven't seen before....maybe paying such close attention for 40 plus years has me jaded. The interview with Martin and Jeffrey are basically the same as the audio interviews on the last TAAB release. I haven't got thru it all yet but so far I am, a tempered, happy, but puzzled and left wanting.
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Post by Dan on Nov 7, 2012 6:55:32 GMT -5
The most disappointing part for me was written by former Tull Manager, Eric Brooks when asked:
Are you aware of any soundboard recordings of any Tull shows by the crew during your time with them?
I am pretty sure there are no such recordings made of any Tull shows because it would not have been authorized and probably illegal. Ditto cine footage.
There you have it. No such gems officially exist. Crap!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 7:21:23 GMT -5
The most disappointing part for me was written by former Tull Manager, Eric Brooks when asked: Are you aware of any soundboard recordings of any Tull shows by the crew during your time with them?I am pretty sure there are no such recordings made of any Tull shows because it would not have been authorized and probably illegal. Ditto cine footage. There you have it. No such gems officially exist. Crap! Dan Dan, no doubt there is editing of the text by the main man, but even if he did answer truthfully, then he answered the question he was asked, 'recordings of any Tull shows by the crew'. No doubt crew weren't allowed to film or record for fear of supplying the bootleg market and no doubt the 'illegality' he mentions relates to clauses in contracts of employment to protect Ian's/Tull's copyrights and as such recordings of this type wouldn't be approved or allowed, but I wonder how he would have answered if he was asked if there were any offically sanctioned recordings made by the band or their management. I still have difficulty in believing that a band/stageshow which was as visually interesting as Tull's wasn't captured by the management or the band at this time. Especially given Ian's growing interets at the time with multi-media presentations. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 10:07:32 GMT -5
I am sure that there are recordings out there, like Pat said I am sure that there are. Ian was doing a lot with different media.
What disappointed me the most was the use of a 1997 interview with Martin and Jeffrey. Why they could not get a current one with Martin,John,Jeffrey, and Barrie is kind disappointing. They have known about this release for awhile and could of gotten that done. I did enjoy the interview with Eric Brooks and Robin Black. That was a nice chapter to add.
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Post by Geoff CB on Nov 7, 2012 19:11:05 GMT -5
I received the double lp yesterday (from Burning Shed) but I'm still awaiting the DVD/CD.
The packaging is superb, and the lps are "thick" 180g. I usually clean all my lps to remove static (Knosti Disco Anti-stat bath) but I didn't wait - I should have as there were clicks and pops from static electricity.
TAAB sounded very clean on first listening, but WHERE IS THE DEEP BASS? The playing level is also very low on both albums, to the point where I could hear pressing noise during quiet passages on TAAB2.
I will reserve judgment, clean the lps and listen further, but so far, not the big impact that Aqualung gave. I hope I'm wrong.
Also, I couldn't detect the faint acoustic guitar as on the original TAAB at the end of side one. I did notice that the end of side 2 is much better than the compressed sound on the original pressing.
Audio quality is better on TAAB2, but I can't see why TAAB is not a little better.
Again, hope I'm wrong!
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Post by TM on Nov 7, 2012 21:20:00 GMT -5
Got my copy of the DVD/CD today.
Mixed views as well as the 5.1 version I listened did seem inconsistent in it's remaster and I did noticed a bit too much reverb used in certain parts.
I like the book, but man - we are all getting older Ian, use some decent size font!!!
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Post by Geoff CB on Nov 7, 2012 23:42:30 GMT -5
Got my copy of the DVD/CD today. Mixed views as well as the 5.1 version I listened did seem inconsistent in it's remaster and I did noticed a bit too much reverb used in certain parts. I like the book, but man - we are all getting older Ian, use some decent size font!!! Font is fine on the vinyl box!!! ;D |
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Post by Beltane on Nov 8, 2012 9:43:31 GMT -5
I like the book, but man - we are all getting older Ian, use some decent size font!!! My thoughts exactly, had to break out the magnifying glass! |
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Post by Geoff CB on Nov 8, 2012 19:10:46 GMT -5
As this subject is about the VINYL release, has anyone else played these? I'd be interested to hear (read) their thoughts on the sound quality. I cleaned up my 2 lps to remove static, and yes, they sounded better. Still one or two clicks, which is pretty poor for a new pressing! But the sound stage of TAAB is much clearer than the original, but to me, does not sound any more dynamic. I'm still disappointed!One case where I hope the DVD sounds better than the vinyl!  Geoff |
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Post by TM on Nov 8, 2012 20:48:07 GMT -5
As this subject is about the VINYL release, has anyone else played these? I'd be interested to hear (read) their thoughts on the sound quality. I cleaned up my 2 lps to remove static, and yes, they sounded better. Still one or two clicks, which is pretty poor for a new pressing! But the sound stage of TAAB is much clearer than the original, but to me, does not sound any more dynamic. I'm still disappointed!One case where I hope the DVD sounds better than the vinyl! Geoff I've never been one for lp's because of the snap-crackle and pops. I miss the cover and jacket size but not the noise. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 2:09:08 GMT -5
I'm no audiophile, but i imagine it can be pretty hard to manipulate and smooth out mixes from masters recorded 40 years ago. I suppose you might expect it to be pretty darn good because of the price. The release is cool, I hope to get it sometime, 180 gram vinyl with a full sized booklet.
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Post by Prompter on Nov 9, 2012 9:53:19 GMT -5
I'm waiting for it to arrive in shops here, I hope it does in a month or so (that's how long it took for the Aqualung set to be imported). As for vinyl noise, I've been saving money to buy a laser gramophone for some time now, another ten years and I might be able to afford one. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 14:43:54 GMT -5
I'm waiting for it to arrive in shops here, I hope it does in a month or so (that's how long it took for the Aqualung set to be imported). As for vinyl noise, I've been saving money to buy a laser gramophone for some time now, another ten years and I might be able to afford one. ;D Laser gramophone? Wow I never heard of that. This calls for Google investigation techniques... |
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Post by Geoff CB on Nov 10, 2012 1:04:46 GMT -5
As this subject is about the VINYL release, has anyone else played these? I'd be interested to hear (read) their thoughts on the sound quality. I cleaned up my 2 lps to remove static, and yes, they sounded better. Still one or two clicks, which is pretty poor for a new pressing! But the sound stage of TAAB is much clearer than the original, but to me, does not sound any more dynamic. I'm still disappointed!One case where I hope the DVD sounds better than the vinyl! Geoff I've never been one for lp's because of the snap-crackle and pops. I miss the cover and jacket size but not the noise. I don't agree - this only happens with mistreated or dirty vinyl. Use a cleaner and good equipment and you won't believe how good vinyl sounds. that why I think this release should sound a little better. |
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Post by jtul07 on Nov 10, 2012 9:33:30 GMT -5
A very artistic interpretation of TAAB excerpt "Do You Believe in the Day?"....... I do. Some of these images are shown during the current tour on screen.  The audio is from the 25th Anniversary Edition |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 17:43:18 GMT -5
Yeah, What's the deal with this? After eagerly waiting nearly a year I have listened and experimented with settings only to experience the same results as Darin?? Who else has heard the 5.1 mix? Guitar solo's which I expected to be center priority are almost non-existent. Organ and flute parts are buried and washed in reverb. I can't imagine that SW or Ian heard it this way and approved.  This is unheard of for a SW mix and a pale comparison of the Aqualung 5.1 which is brilliant! In contrast the new 2 channel stereo mix sounds excellent! Something is very wrong here! I can't imagine why. I wonder if we will get an answer to this? This problem plus the glitches have me discouraged about the possibility of a Passion Play 5.1. While listening I did however hear potential in what the mix could have sounded like, for instance the drums sound nothing short of incredible! Barrimore in 5.1! It's worth a listen for this alone. The beginning of side 2 had me speechless. I do hope though that the problems with this mix can be explained and or somehow fixed! Darin when Tim from EMI told me he was going to use the crew picture with permission from Terry Ellis I informed him it was from Passion Play to which he replied He knew but wanted to use it anyway as it was such a unique picture of that band and would look great in the giant LP book. Another clue that there may not be a Passion Play 5.1 as I would have assumed this picture would be perfect for that set. I hope I'm wrong! Passion Play should be done in 5.1 if it's done right! I am puzzled! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 19:30:20 GMT -5
Yeah, What's the deal with this? After eagerly waiting nearly a year I have listened and experimented with settings only to experience the same results as Darin?? Darin when Tim from EMI told me he was going to use the crew picture with permission from Terry Ellis I informed him it was from Passion Play to which he replied He knew but wanted to use it anyway as it was such a unique picture of that band and would look great in the giant LP book. Another clue that there may not be a Passion Play 5.1 as I would have assumed this picture would be perfect for that set. I hope I'm wrong! Passion Play should be done in 5.1 if it's done right! I am puzzled!
FYNE!!!!  Yes well this IS the one I thought would surpass the the Aqualung 5.1 so I'm bummed about it. And yes I even agree with YOU Tulltapes  that the 24/96s are THE best stereo mix I've ever heard of TAAB. Barrie and Jeffery are served well here. I cant believe we've all been running Jeffrey down as an inarticulate Bass player all this time. Listening to this rhythm section it is amazingly tight! Killer. I will allow myself the luxury of being surprised when and if they do something good for APP. Doesn't sound like EMI is very interested in doing things..........right. BTW Erin wasn't that a picture you got from Chris Crump? Cody |
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This is unheard of for a SW mix and a pale comparison of the Aqualung 5.1 which is brilliant! In contrast the new 2 channel stereo mix sounds excellent! Something is very wrong here! I can't imagine why. I wonder if we will get an answer to this? This problem plus the glitches have me discouraged about the possibility of a Passion Play 5.1.
that the 24/96s are THE best stereo mix I've ever heard of TAAB. Barrie and Jeffery are served well here. I cant believe we've all been running Jeffrey down as an inarticulate Bass player all this time. Listening to this rhythm section it is amazingly tight! Killer.