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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 20:21:40 GMT -5
lol, wasn't meant that way. I actually most always find your audio/visual opinions spot on. Very similar to how I feel with pinpoint description. The shock face was from my disapointment by the mix. I thought I would be blown away! Yes the 73 photo was sent to me by Chris Crump and brought to light with my passion play video. I helped Tim with identfying some of the crew (thanks to the help of Chris.) The picture though was given to all the road crew and I assume they needed Terry's permission to use it.
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Post by TM on Nov 14, 2012 23:00:48 GMT -5
Sorry if this was already stated here, but there seems to be a problem with the 5.1's. We should complain to EMI.
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Post by My God on Nov 15, 2012 12:03:22 GMT -5
I put off my pre-order because I had a strange feeling about this release. I'll wait till the problem is resolved before I get mine.
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Post by TM on Nov 15, 2012 14:52:37 GMT -5
STOP PRESS: AUDIO GLITICHES ON TAAB 40th Special Edition DVD
We have been alerted to the fact that there are three small audio glitches on the 5.1 streams on the DVD part of the Thick As A Brick Special Edition CD/DVD set. We are working to resolve this issue as quickly as possible. Any new stock going into stores will be amended & for fans who’ve already purchased the set we will be making available a replacement DVD disc for you. More information to follow shortly. This occurred in the very final stage of mastering prior to manufacture of the commercial run of product and was not noticed until attentive early purchasers spotted the digital errors.
With our apologies.
EMI Music, Ian Anderson and Steven Wilson.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 15:03:21 GMT -5
lol, wasn't meant that way. I actually most always find your audio/visual opinions spot on. Very similar to how I feel with pinpoint description. The shock face was from my disapointment by the mix. I thought I would be blown away! Yes the 73 photo was sent to me by Chris Crump and brought to light with my passion play video. I helped Tim with identfying some of the crew (thanks to the help of Chris.) The picture though was given to all the road crew and I assume they needed Terry's permission to use it. I was just teasing. Yes I think we think alike on a lot of things! Probably stemming from the very idiosyncratic work of studying bits of horrible video for hours on end and matching it to the proper point in a song, that and picking musical notes and chords notes off of records ;-) for the love of Tull. I've been searching that picture for Bill Cardinell the projectionist and I'm not sure if he's there amongst the un identified fellows. I met him at the show and at the hotel and gave him the etching that I've posted here. He seemed (as I remember) to be older than the rest about 5'5 or so with , at the time, whiskers. I was thinking that the piano player (now indentified) for Taylor was him but no. But kind of like him. Darin
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Post by Bassackwards on Nov 15, 2012 19:57:44 GMT -5
Hey, D.C. I was up trying to figure out a good setting for the surround last night till 2 in the morning. I have a great system but seldom use it. Thought it would be a good time to try. Anyway, yes, I was like "shouldnt I hear more flutes here? Wheres the guitar? I fiddled and diddled and never did find, the music I wanted it just wasn't kind. Till I put on the new mix in simple stereo. It was warm and real fuzzie and, as in 72 it blew my mind. Still i need help with the surround stuff. Some interesting things going on there, but I feel i'm just not getting itright. The best I could do was set it on "Disco" and turn off the center speaker, that worked pretty well.
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Post by Bassackwards on Nov 15, 2012 19:58:32 GMT -5
Yes, I said "Disco" and the system is only about 10 years old, Boston Acoustic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 20:56:19 GMT -5
Yes, I said "Disco" and the system is only about 10 years old, Boston Acoustic. Well that's pretty much my favorite setting......Disco Brick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 0:29:57 GMT -5
STOP PRESS: AUDIO GLITICHES ON TAAB 40th Special Edition DVDWe have been alerted to the fact that there are three small audio glitches on the 5.1 streams on the DVD part of the Thick As A Brick Special Edition CD/DVD set. We are working to resolve this issue as quickly as possible. Any new stock going into stores will be amended & for fans who’ve already purchased the set we will be making available a replacement DVD disc for you. More information to follow shortly. This occurred in the very final stage of mastering prior to manufacture of the commercial run of product and was not noticed until attentive early purchasers spotted the digital errors. With our apologies. EMI Music, Ian Anderson and Steven Wilson. Thanks Paul, There are a few glitches on the DVD disc which are semi-annoying but nothing has been said about the big 5.1 mix problem other than members of this board who all seem to have had the same disappointing results. So strange! All of my other 5.1's play beautifully and this sounds like it could have been really amazing! The few reviews on amazon seem to be really good?? Maybe we just all know the Brick too well But I can't imagine this is how SW and Ian have heard this. You just don't leave out one of the most classic guitar solos. (unless Ian's really pissed at Martin ) These parts should be clearer than ever not un-audible.
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Post by tomasio on Nov 16, 2012 8:02:11 GMT -5
The thread made me curious, so I listened to the new Stereo Mix of TAAB (/w 24bit 96 kHz). I used Grado SR80i Headphones as reference and played the file simply on my iMac (no multichannel sound here and noticed a little improvement. The guitar soli in part 1 is not loud enough, as one poster above already stated. But the drums are crystal clear. -- In the moment I listen to the remastered version of Aqualung which definitly is ahead of TAAB in terms of quality. Just my 2 cent
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Post by TM on Nov 16, 2012 9:35:25 GMT -5
STOP PRESS: AUDIO GLITICHES ON TAAB 40th Special Edition DVDWe have been alerted to the fact that there are three small audio glitches on the 5.1 streams on the DVD part of the Thick As A Brick Special Edition CD/DVD set. We are working to resolve this issue as quickly as possible. Any new stock going into stores will be amended & for fans who’ve already purchased the set we will be making available a replacement DVD disc for you. More information to follow shortly. This occurred in the very final stage of mastering prior to manufacture of the commercial run of product and was not noticed until attentive early purchasers spotted the digital errors. With our apologies. EMI Music, Ian Anderson and Steven Wilson. Thanks Paul, There are a few glitches on the DVD disc which are semi-annoying but nothing has been said about the big 5.1 mix problem other than members of this board who all seem to have had the same disappointing results. So strange! All of my other 5.1's play beautifully and this sounds like it could have been really amazing! The few reviews on amazon seem to be really good?? Maybe we just all know the Brick too well But I can't imagine this is how SW and Ian have heard this. You just don't leave out one of the most classic guitar solos. (unless Ian's really pissed at Martin ) These parts should be clearer than ever not un-audible. Hi Erin, I was assuming the glitches they are referring to are the issues each of us has noticed. But I guess it's not sounding that way. I haven't listened to it that closely or in it's entirety yet to be able to pinpoint specific problems with it. I hope in the end they get it right.
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Post by Geoff CB on Nov 16, 2012 18:37:51 GMT -5
Thanks Paul, There are a few glitches on the DVD disc which are semi-annoying but nothing has been said about the big 5.1 mix problem other than members of this board who all seem to have had the same disappointing results. So strange! All of my other 5.1's play beautifully and this sounds like it could have been really amazing! The few reviews on amazon seem to be really good?? Maybe we just all know the Brick too well But I can't imagine this is how SW and Ian have heard this. You just don't leave out one of the most classic guitar solos. (unless Ian's really pissed at Martin ) These parts should be clearer than ever not un-audible. I play my 5.1 "straight" using the high quality decoder in my Blu Ray player. I picked the DTS 96k sound, rather than the more lossy Dolby Digital. Yes, I'm finding the mix patchy - great in some parts, strange in others. Barries drumming - fantastic, and I agree, Jeffrey's Bass playing is much better than history would suggest! Acoustic guitar and voice are clearer, but I just don't think the dynamics are as good as the original mix. It is interesting to compare the 24/96 stereo mix with the original TAAB flat transfer. I'll let you be the judge. Next, I will compare the stereo mix with the vinyl. (On Aqualung I found they were similar) Hope the replacement DVD fixes these issues. Was that a pig flying by? Geoff
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Post by Eka on Nov 17, 2012 3:17:22 GMT -5
Sounds like whole mix was made to extend Ian's parts, vocals, flute and acoustic guitar, which are crystal clear. Everything else seems to be put back and a bit blury. So volume levels between intruments and dynamics, which were very well done on original recording, are killed. Thats's at least my impression. Also they changed original mix in at least one part. Listen from 24th to 25th min, or take wider area if it's easier to see whole picture and get what i am talking about. You should hear some additional flute and bells which don't exist on original taab (repeating 2 or 3 times more then they do on original). Would be nice to hear what you think. Cheers
P.S. Sorry if i missed subject here. It's about Steven Wilson 5.1 mix, not double vinyl release. Please move it to right place
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Post by Mttbsh on Nov 17, 2012 16:01:53 GMT -5
Sounds like whole mix was made to extend Ian's parts, vocals, flute and acoustic guitar, which are crystal clear. Everything else seems to be put back and a bit blury. So volume levels between intruments and dynamics, which were very well done on original recording, are killed. Thats's at least my impression. Also they changed original mix in at least one part. Listen from 24th to 25th min, or take wider area if it's easier to see whole picture and get what i am talking about. You should hear some additional flute and bells which don't exist on original taab (repeating 2 or 3 times more then they do on original). Would be nice to hear what you think. Cheers P.S. Sorry if i missed subject here. It's about Steven Wilson 5.1 mix, not double vinyl release. Please move it to right place I would be very surprised if Ian told Steve Wilson : "Make sure that you emphasize 'my' contributions in the mix and put the other musicians' instruments in the background" While I would agree that this remastered TAAB does not equal Wilson's work on Aqualung, it's certainly the best TAAB (my favorite album) has ever sounded on my sound system.
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Post by tomasio on Nov 17, 2012 19:31:15 GMT -5
(...) It is interesting to compare the 24/96 stereo mix with the original TAAB flat transfer. I'll let you be the judge. Next, I will compare the stereo mix with the vinyl. (On Aqualung I found they were similar) Geoff Is the flat transfer the same as on the original (unremastered) CD of TAAB? And I am interested on the comparison of the Vinyl release /w the new Versions on DVD
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Post by Geoff CB on Nov 18, 2012 19:10:14 GMT -5
(...) It is interesting to compare the 24/96 stereo mix with the original TAAB flat transfer. I'll let you be the judge. Next, I will compare the stereo mix with the vinyl. (On Aqualung I found they were similar) Geoff Is the flat transfer the same as on the original (unremastered) CD of TAAB? And I am interested on the comparison of the Vinyl release /w the new Versions on DVD It sounds like my original vinyl mix. I haven't checked the (shudder) CDs. Haven't compared TAAB new vinyl yet either! Been too stormy weather last few days!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 13:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by tomasio on Nov 19, 2012 17:51:58 GMT -5
looks nice – but I think I can wait untill my record player is set up /w speakers without having to fear my 10-months-old son distroying the tweeters
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Post by tomasio on Nov 20, 2012 2:49:15 GMT -5
Just for those (like me) who did not buy the Pop Market offer, prices have dropped on Amazon(de) also: amzn.to/TV6yLR
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Post by Geoff CB on Nov 20, 2012 5:33:25 GMT -5
I just compared side 1 of TAAB new stereo mix DVD (PCM 96/24) with the vinyl cut.
Equipment: DVD - Oppo BDP93 Blu Ray player using analog outputs Vinyl - Rega P9 with Ortofon 2M Black cartridge, Graham Slee Reflex M phono stage
Amplifier - Yamaha Aventage A3000 Speakers - B&W HTM 61, Richter Krakatoa Subs (x 2)
The vinyl is cut at a quite low level. There were a few little clicks from new, which is disappointing. These might not have been noticeable if the music had been cut louder.
I played the vinyl, followed by the DVD about 20 seconds later. This gave time to listen to the vinyl, turn the volume down by 10dB (a lot!), then listen to the DVD.
First impressions are that both sounded fairly similar, with no great differences. I don't want to compare these to the original, but both were not bass heavy at all. Acoustic guitar and flute were crisp and clear, with extended highs. Vocal was clear, but I thought the dynamics could have been a little better.
I started to notice that the vinyl sounded a little warmer, or possibly organic sounding, whereas the DVD sounded a little clinical. The middle range bass notes just sounded a little more real on the vinyl, and the transients produced when the acoustic guitar was strummed sounded just a little crisper also on the vinyl. There was no background hiss on either, but the vinyl did have very slight noise in some parts of the pressing.
Mind you, my vinyl rig is at least 10 times more expensive than the Blu Ray player, which itself is quite high quality, if not the top model.
So just like Aqualung, I find that there is not a lot of difference between the high-end digital and vinyl versions. I actually think there was even less difference in the case of Aqualung.
Maybe Aqualung, with its simpler arrangements, was easier to record, and the differences we hear in TAAB might be due to studio limitations at the time?
I still think Steve might have been able to improve the sound a little, but maybe the original mix had the guts EQed out of it? Maybe this mix is flatter?
Maybe Steve Wilson could answer these questions???
Geoff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 6:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by Geoff CB on Dec 2, 2012 19:03:33 GMT -5
Thanks! Doesn't really say much, apart from gushing! Sound quality?
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Post by Trainspotter on Dec 3, 2012 5:55:23 GMT -5
The TAAB/TAAB2 Double Vinyl Release booklet (book):
Anyone have page 14 and 15 ?? (printed pages)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 8:00:37 GMT -5
Got the vinyl, but unopened as of yet as it's one of my Christmas pressies from Mrs Q. So, I can't answer that question yet.
It's over there sitting, temptingly tempting me, still in its shrink wrap cover daring me to tear it free..........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 8:45:12 GMT -5
Pat get a razor blade a carefully slice itopen and report back .. I wont let Mrs Q know.. LOL. Wish Mrs Q a Merry Christmas...
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