Martin in Prog Jan 27, 2013 6:54:48 GMT -5
Post by Non Rabbit on Jan 27, 2013 6:54:48 GMT -5
Jan 26, 2013 18:10:44 GMT -5 @quizzkid said:I can understand that some die hard Tull fans might not like Martin's solo stuff, Tull it ain't, a few glimpses here and there, but no way should he be dismissed as a mediocre or low calibre player in any way because of his solo stuff.
I've been lucky to have seen Martin back in the day and when he was let of the leash, there could never have been any better Tull guitar player. I've also been lucky enough to have seen many of the so called 'guitar gods' and more than several couldn't hold a candle to MB's playing.
I think his style is unique, in the same way that Townshend and Beck are distinctive and individual.
I think his stature has diminished amongst some Tull fans possibly for a number of reasons; firstly he has been given an increasingly low stage presence and with no outlet as regards potential new Tulls studio recordings, over a very sustained period of time, he has a lower profile generally.....and of course when stage shows have been performed pre-TaaB2, they have been pretty much standard fare greatest hits type shows with long standing unchanging arrangements for long standing set lists with limited variations here and there....and of course, his guitar was fitted with a a volume knob welded to 5.
I'm all for Ian/Tull/Martin moving on, and it would have been nice to have seen it as a collaborative progression, but it's not to be.
It's not just unique to Tull, some fans live their lives through their 'heroes' and maybe given that 'we're a little short on heroes lately', they might settle for a toussled haired rock guitar god to look up to, their choice and I can't and won't knock their opinions or needs, as it's been said everyone's entitled to their own opinion, [well, at least here they are].
Here's a tale though,
A couple of years ago, I walked into a big guitar shop, just around the back of Fenway Park, to treat myself to an SG, I walked in and it was like a scene from Wayne's World, all blond flowing locks, Les Pauls, flashing fingers and noise. I suffered it for ten minutes as I took down a guitar or two to look at, when a bloke, who I thought was probably the oldest salesperson in the room came over and asked if I was goimg to buy, I told him I wanted an SG, and he took a cherry standard down, plugged it in, and said did I want a go. I said not with all the virtuoso's around, he laughed and said 'Oh, 'The Yangwie's'', As we talked he asked me my fave guitarist, MB I said, and without hesitation he went into a medley of MitG and half a dozen other MB solo's. lLterally over a minute or so the place went quiet, leaving him playing alone....it was magic as all these kids just stood listening [apart for the ones playing Smoke on the Water]. He finished, put the guitar down and I said Wow or something equally daft, and he said 'I enjoiyed that'.
I said if you do that all the time you must get tons of sales, he looked at me and said I don't work here,I just wanted the chance to shut these punks up.....
An interesting post Quizz Kid, agree with a lot of what you say. (also some good points made by others)
Good on the old boy for showing up the Yangwie's.
Electric guitar playing has gone downhill in many respects. Last year I went to see Alter Bridge. I think the lead guitar was smouldering on the point of combustion as the guy tried to break the speed record. Meant nothing to me. The bass player (for some reason using a six string bass) was equally blurred.
But onto Martin and his comments from the OP. I've noticed for a few years now he is claiming song writing credits for guitar solos and found that unusual. The fill in bits onstage like Quatrain perhaps but surely solos put to written music are more spontaneous, and good ones are one of the reason you in a the band in the first place.
From an early age I recognised Martin not as an outstanding guitarist besides others at that time but as a very good one suited perfectly to Tull music. He has a style of his own and that sets him apart from others.
However, I think his work as the years roll by, has become mundane almost to the point of being boring (with a couple of exceptions) Whether he has been boxed in become complacent I don't know and yes I appreciate the music has changed.
That's why when his New Day project emerged I got myself all excited and looking for a concert venue. MB unleashed, but what I've seen on the Tube so far is disappointing.
In 2004 I went to The Corn Exchange, Edinburgh to see Ian Anderson's Rubbing Elbows tour. Billed as a sort of interactive type thing similar to what Ray Davies was doing, I looked forward to hearing some chat and stories. What I saw was a Jethro Tull gig with some unknown musicians and no (Tull) presence. Also a wee boy on lead guitar, playing Martin Barre's riffs !!!Now that's just not cricket.
I can say I was pretty unchuffed and spent some time at the bar rather than watch it.
Now that band included three of the TAAB2 band now touring including the older, and more palatable, Florian Ophale. I like the album, it is much more interesting than anything Ian has written for a while. And I like Florian’s guitar playing, it might be based on Martin’s style but it’s fresh and interesting. Whether Martin would have broken out from his comfort zone had he played on it we will never know.
If the jig’s up for Martin and Ian or even for Tull as a recording touring group, well, thanks for the memories.