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Post by Dan on Apr 29, 2014 21:19:32 GMT -5
This song popped up on a random shuffled playlist today and thought how fresh , original and more progressive it sounded (over 30 years old) than anything off of the new I.A. disc.
I'm not trying to compare the new disc to any classic prog rock albums but if this song from a former guest of Tull on a marginally good release was on the new album then maybe there could be something to get excited about.
The setlist for the second half of the show reminds me of the reasons I stopped going to see the last few official Tull Shows. I would probably stay away if the whole show was this kind of 'best of' even if it included Martin Barre.
Dan
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Post by Mix on Apr 30, 2014 9:19:29 GMT -5
This song popped up on a random shuffled playlist today and thought how fresh , original and more progressive it sounded (over 30 years old) than anything off of the new I.A. disc. I'm not trying to compare the new disc to any classic prog rock albums but if this song from a former guest of Tull on a marginally good release was on the new album then maybe there could be something to get excited about. The setlist for the second half of the show reminds me of the reasons I stopped going to see the last few official Tull Shows. I would probably stay away if the whole show was this kind of 'best of' even if it included Martin Barre. Dan Sounds like it could have come from the A album. Dan, I'm struggling with your comments and your HE review. One is left wondering if you really are a fan of Ian Anderson's music at all? If you can't find something exciting on HE I can't see how you can find any of Ian's albums exciting. And it begs the question; you're a member of TJTB staff?
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Post by Dan on Apr 30, 2014 12:39:10 GMT -5
Sounds like it could have come from the A album. Dan, I'm struggling with your comments and your HE review. One is left wondering if you really are a fan of Ian Anderson's music at all? If you can't find something exciting on HE I can't see how you can find any of Ian's albums exciting. And it begs the question; you're a member of TJTB staff? I've already explained my feelings toward Ian and music somewhere else around here. I would not have bought 2 deluxe copies and 5 other regular copies to give to friends ( 3 of which aren't very keen on it either) and purchased tickets to a couple of US dates. Heck, I even ordered the mp3 download because my hard copies didn't arrive by the release date. I traded /swapped search all over the internet to get glimpses of the cd prior to release. Some people would label that as being borderline nut job. What I struggle with is that this is my opinion of the cd, not the board's , yours /hers /theirs or anyone else. I think I gave it a C minus because like I've explained about 10 times that there is an element in almost every song that detracts from my enjoyment of the cd and I would give it a higher rating without some of those things. I don't care for the beginning and Hot Mango Flush style in Enter the Uninvited, some people do, to each his own. Some people groove on the accordion, I don't. I actually love the Puer Ferox Adventus song but I struggle not to fast forward through the first 49 seconds. I'm not going through each song again but this is my personal opinion and I don't see where it says I can't have one even if it differs from the majority. I have an equally hard time reading all the gushing praise from some that would adore anything as long as Ian puts it out. But I guess that is their opinion. And again, my opinion, for all those that want (Ian included) to call it a Jethro Tull release because it reminds them of eating cornflakes then I put it below any official Tull release including Underwraps. I'm not even sure if this rates in my top 3 I.A. solo albums that I like to listen to. As for the question as to why I am a JT board staff member. I was asked. Oh well, I'm off to kick puppies and make babies cry. Dan
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Post by Mix on Apr 30, 2014 13:11:54 GMT -5
Certainly a bit nutty but definitely too much money to waste I think you need to get out more, Dan. Hot Mango Flush would be in my top 5 most disliked Anderson songs. I hated it and he absolutely destroyed a brilliant Martin Barre composition. But I have to say I struggle to compare that song to ETU. Ok, it has some spoken parts, I think it works well. Its one of my favourites on the album. I don't love the Accordion, but I don't hate it, its used rather sparing and rather musically if you asked me. Though I'd welcome the return of the Soprano Sax any time. Nice intro to a nice piece. I still think you need to get out more. Either that or chill out, drink a bottle of wine and have a bang on a bong or something whistle I'm all for opinions, I just really do struggle to understand how any Tull fan can't find some great music on this album. If Ian was a colour, it would contain plenty of that colour. I do consider myself a hard core fan but you only have to look over my history here to see I have at times been brutual in my critism of mr. Anderson but that was based purely on frustration of him not moving forward. He is moving forward, I think that's fucking awesome and if you can't get on board it might be better to listen to some other music that you do like. bash-head Its TM's board and he doesn't like it either. Something of a pattern here, maybe its time for me to return to that other board...... oh wait, that's on the god aweful pro boards platform too with a million separate forums like this one. A forum for people only with blue eyes to discuss Tull, another for bald men only, how about we create another section to discus Ian's songs that only contain the musical chord of G, Bb, Dm & A7
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Post by TM on Apr 30, 2014 18:46:11 GMT -5
Love to hear people's thought's on the 5.1. Is the boxed set worth it?
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Post by Morthoron on Apr 30, 2014 23:16:47 GMT -5
Certainly a bit nutty but definitely too much money to waste I think you need to get out more, Dan. Hot Mango Flush would be in my top 5 most disliked Anderson songs. I hated it and he absolutely destroyed a brilliant Martin Barre composition. But I have to say I struggle to compare that song to ETU. Ok, it has some spoken parts, I think it works well. Its one of my favourites on the album. I don't love the Accordion, but I don't hate it, its used rather sparing and rather musically if you asked me. Though I'd welcome the return of the Soprano Sax any time. Nice intro to a nice piece. I still think you need to get out more. Either that or chill out, drink a bottle of wine and have a bang on a bong or something whistle I'm all for opinions, I just really do struggle to understand how any Tull fan can't find some great music on this album. If Ian was a colour, it would contain plenty of that colour. I do consider myself a hard core fan but you only have to look over my history here to see I have at times been brutual in my critism of mr. Anderson but that was based purely on frustration of him not moving forward. He is moving forward, I think that's fucking awesome and if you can't get on board it might be better to listen to some other music that you do like. bash-head Its TM's board and he doesn't like it either. Something of a pattern here, maybe its time for me to return to that other board...... oh wait, that's on the god aweful pro boards platform too with a million separate forums like this one. A forum for people only with blue eyes to discuss Tull, another for bald men only, how about we create another section to discus Ian's songs that only contain the musical chord of G, Bb, Dm & A7 Dan has his opinion, just as you have yours. I suggest that just because Dan is not gushing his panties like some One Direction fan-girl over this latest release does not mean he is not a Tull fan or should seek elsewhere for some other band. So what if he doesn't like it? You may gush on, if you'd like. Just wipe up after your done.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 0:00:55 GMT -5
I can handle a difference in opinion. Tull fans have always been a divisive lot.
What I cannot handle is when divisive turns derisive. And I have detected more than a hint of derision on multiple occasions. The implication being that if you have the audacity to think this is a strong effort, there must be something wrong with your brain. You have lost credibility as a real Tull fan.
A lot of fans and professional critics alike have praised this album. I concur. I have been a Tull fan for almost 40 years and I think HE is very good album. It has relit a flame that died many years ago.
Does that make me a "one direction fan-girl"? Does that mean I "adore anything as long as Ian puts it out"? It is condescending and, frankly, tiresome.
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Post by Tullabye on May 1, 2014 0:35:39 GMT -5
Morthoron, that was uncalled for and the worst post i've read since being on this board. Wow...get off your high horse dude. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and yours is no more valid than anyone elses.
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Post by Michael Crowe on May 1, 2014 1:39:24 GMT -5
We need a new universal ratings system here. The scale of one to ten needs calibration, four stars not detailed enough, and thumbs up or down doesn't leave enough gray area. I rather like the highschool grading system of A = Excellent, B = Good, C = Average, D = Poor, and F = Failure. but that's not exacting enough either. I wanted to give HE a B minus but a couple of tracks are just week enough to suggest a C plus. So it hangs in limbo between C and B and limbo is no place to hang anything, much less a Tull album under another name. Perhaps if some nano tweeks could exist between the letters, that would equilize that area between say a C plus and the B minus without being either - something nuetral, neither less nor more. That new diminsion would need a name but I'm our of gas right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 9:03:23 GMT -5
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Post by Morthoron on May 1, 2014 9:54:04 GMT -5
Morthoron, that was uncalled for and the worst post i've read since being on this board. Wow...get off your high horse dude. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and yours is no more valid than anyone elses. Yes, everyone has their own damn opinion, and thanks for yours -- even though you missed the point so completely, I question your reading comprehension. What irks me is that someone questions another poster and suggests they leave because of a dislike for this new album, and one that is not a Tull album at all (this is a Jethro Tull forum, not a canonize Ian Anderson forum). Read the post again before expressing dubious outrage. Your opinion is misplaced.
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Post by Morthoron on May 1, 2014 10:04:06 GMT -5
I can handle a difference in opinion. Tull fans have always been a divisive lot. What I cannot handle is when divisive turns derisive. And I have detected more than a hint of derision on multiple occasions. The implication being that if you have the audacity to think this is a strong effort, there must be something wrong with your brain. You have lost credibility as a real Tull fan. A lot of fans and professional critics alike have praised this album. I concur. I have been a Tull fan for almost 40 years and I think HE is very good album. It has relit a flame that died many years ago. Does that make me a "one direction fan-girl"? Does that mean I "adore anything as long as Ian puts it out"? It is condescending and, frankly, tiresome. So, you don't think Mix's post was completely and utterly derisive towards Dan? Read the damn thing again. Repeat as many times as is necessary until you see that the very thing you are whining about occurred against Dan. An obvious case of Reverse Tullimination. EDIT: For the record, I think Homo Erraticus is definitely a better outting than TAAB2. It has good points and bad points. The good points being more energy and cohesiveness than TAAB2, many references to previous material, and more of a rock album than TAAB2; however, the bad points for me are Ian's singing getting reedier and weaker with each release, an utter lack of acoustic material, more ludicrous spoken poetic excursions (yes, we realize you can't sing, Ian, how about some more instrumentals?), and references to previous Tull songs that are too close to the original material (a double edged sword). I'd give it a C if I was comparing it to classical Tull material, but perhaps a B+ if I was comparing it to other music in this era of declining compositional values and soulless releases. I do appreciate that Ian distanced himself from the dreary and completely humorless musings of TAAB2, and I've said plenty of times I think the entire presentation of TAAB2 was a mistake.
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Post by TM on May 1, 2014 11:00:28 GMT -5
We need a new universal ratings system here. The scale of one to ten needs calibration, four stars not detailed enough, and thumbs up or down doesn't leave enough gray area. I rather like the highschool grading system of A = Excellent, B = Good, C = Average, D = Poor, and F = Failure. but that's not exacting enough either. I wanted to give HE a B minus but a couple of tracks are just week enough to suggest a C plus. So it hangs in limbo between C and B and limbo is no place to hang anything, much less a Tull album under another name. Perhaps if some nano tweeks could exist between the letters, that would equilize that area between say a C plus and the B minus without being either - something nuetral, neither less nor more. That new diminsion would need a name but I'm our of gas right now. I think I gave it a C. Last night I listened with a medium bodied (cab) and I must say that in that rather relaxed state I found it had some nice moments. Ian sings nice and softly I suppose. It's Mellow Tull. It's what I guess what we should expect from someone who's 66. I was expecting rock and roll on this record but this is more like 'easy-listening prog', and I'm ok with that now. How about a little light music, to chase it all away?
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Post by Mix on May 1, 2014 11:54:36 GMT -5
I can handle a difference in opinion. Tull fans have always been a divisive lot. What I cannot handle is when divisive turns derisive. And I have detected more than a hint of derision on multiple occasions. The implication being that if you have the audacity to think this is a strong effort, there must be something wrong with your brain. You have lost credibility as a real Tull fan. A lot of fans and professional critics alike have praised this album. I concur. I have been a Tull fan for almost 40 years and I think HE is very good album. It has relit a flame that died many years ago. Does that make me a "one direction fan-girl"? Does that mean I "adore anything as long as Ian puts it out"? It is condescending and, frankly, tiresome. So, you don't think Mix's post was completely and utterly derisive towards Dan? Read the damn thing again. Repeat as many times as is necessary until you see that the very thing you are whining about occurred against Dan. An obvious case of Reverse Tullimination. Ah I was just having a bit of banter. Oh FFS, Ian's voice isn't what it was in the 70's. GET OVER IT! BUT..... I'd say his singing on HE is really strong. Sure, there are parts when his voice is thinner and you can trace that back to Catfish Rising but for the life of me, I cannot understand why some of you guys can't hear a little touch of the 70's voice on HE. Doh! Its a rock album, doh! And.. what are you on about - two Acoustic tracks. Go listen to SLOB or Martin's brilliant Away With Words.....Spose you'll have plenty to moan about album too. One track! Big deal, skip it if you want. We? Your opinion and its a stupid opinion, of course he can sing. I think its time you got off this ship, Ian's delivered another great album and all you wanna do is moan, moan, moan. On your bike!
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Post by Morthoron on May 1, 2014 12:14:35 GMT -5
So, you don't think Mix's post was completely and utterly derisive towards Dan? Read the damn thing again. Repeat as many times as is necessary until you see that the very thing you are whining about occurred against Dan. An obvious case of Reverse Tullimination. Ah I was just having a bit of banter. Oh FFS, Ian's voice isn't what it was in the 70's. GET OVER IT! BUT..... I'd say his singing on HE is really strong. Sure, there are parts when his voice is thinner and you can trace that back to Catfish Rising but for the life of me, I cannot understand why some of you guys can't hear a little touch of the 70's voice on HE. Doh! Its a rock album, doh! One track! Big deal, skip it if you want. We? You opinion and its a stupid option, of course he can sing. I think its time you got off this ship, Ian's delivered another great album and all you wanna do is moan, moan, moan. On your bike! You prove my point, jack ass. I am uninterested in what you think my opinions should be, nor will I alter them or suggest what your opinions should be. I am neither moaning, nor will I "get off the ship". That's the second time you've suggested a poster leave if he doesn't subscribe to your opinion. Here's an option you might consider: give your personal opinion about the album, then shut the fuck up when someone offers a differing opinion. The album has some good material, but it also has mediocre material. That is my opinion. It does not interfere with your opinion, nor do I wish to change your opinion. As far as the album lacking acoustic material because it's a "rock album", I would suggest that Aqualung, Minstrel in the Gallery, Songs from the Wood and Benefit are all "rock albums" but with heavy doses of acoustics. I would also suggest the albums I offered are harder rock than anything on HE. It makes me think you haven't the slightest clue about music history.
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Post by Heavy Horse on May 1, 2014 12:22:33 GMT -5
Ah I was just having a bit of banter. Oh FFS, Ian's voice isn't what it was in the 70's. GET OVER IT! Doh! Its a rock album, doh! And.. what are you on about - two Acoustic tracks. Go listen to SLOB or Martin's brilliant Away With Words.....Spose you'll have plenty to moan about album too. One track! Big deal, skip it if you want. Your opinion and its a stupid opinion... I think its time you got off this ship, Ian's delivered another great album and all you wanna do is moan, moan, moan. On your bike! Whatever your opinion on HE - and those who have chosen to review it - your aggressive tone is unneccessary and offensive. To put it in words that you would appreciate: calm the fuck down.
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Post by housebrick on May 1, 2014 12:37:19 GMT -5
Ive gave HE a good few listens and really tried to like it but still find i dont really want to go back to it in a hurry. Yes it has a few decent songs but they are ruined by either stupid effects,chants,rapping type vocals,OTT guitar solos that you hear everytime you go into a guitar store on a saturday by shredding wannabees,and i find Ryan's parts just cheesy/corny -hes just not a rock band singer .
I cant see any resemblance at all with Ians 70's vocals. Yes we all know his vocals are getting weaker and weaker to the point where i personally cringe at them . His timing is also not what it was the words just dont seem to fit the music as well as they once did .
There aint 1 song on it anywhere near as good as Beside Myself of Roots,Wicked Windows or Hunt by Numbers of Dot 90's era. Then you got Farm,Broadsword,the Clasp,Beastie,Budapest,Steel M,Black S,Pussy W, etc etc 80's era all far superior to anything on HE
So how on earth is it a return to classic 70's Tull? To me is sounds NOTHING like classic Tull.
But if you enjoy it thats fine, i dont.
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Post by Mix on May 1, 2014 12:43:31 GMT -5
I never suggested any one leave and I have no problem with different opinions. What I said was I was surprised Dan was a staff member and that maybe you should get off the Tull ship and go listened to something you do like.
Man... I really shouldn't waste my time but...... what are you on about? What is the point in comparing 70's Tull albums to a 2014 album? There is no point. Look, I love those classic Tull albums, nothing made today is ever going to touch them. Go listen to them, enjoy them, but banging on about how a 2014 album doesn't live up to your 70's expectations or a 66 year Ian Anderson doesn't live up to your 20's something Ian Anderson is just bloody stupid. It sounds to me like you don't even like IA. All I'm saying is why don't you just button it if you don't like it. A little criticism and expressed disappointment is valid but if you blatantly don't have anything positive to say its sometimes better to say nothing. I think HE is great and so do many people. Its giving me a lot of pleasure this last week or so and I can't wait to see IA perform it. What's so wrong about enjoying these final times of IA and celebrating this amazing musician and his wonderful career. What's not to like?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 12:47:38 GMT -5
Well, that is about all I can stand. This forum is toxic.
Homo Erraticus has rekindled in me a flame that had died long ago. Having Tull back in my life was a strange, but happy feeling that I wanted to share that with like-minded fans. This was clearly the wrong place to do it. The negativity is really hard to bare.
I would like to say it has been fun, but I would be lying.
TM: Please delete my account.
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Post by Mix on May 1, 2014 12:59:11 GMT -5
Ah I was just having a bit of banter. Oh FFS, Ian's voice isn't what it was in the 70's. GET OVER IT! Doh! Its a rock album, doh! And.. what are you on about - two Acoustic tracks. Go listen to SLOB or Martin's brilliant Away With Words.....Spose you'll have plenty to moan about album too. One track! Big deal, skip it if you want. Your opinion and its a stupid opinion... I think its time you got off this ship, Ian's delivered another great album and all you wanna do is moan, moan, moan. On your bike! Whatever your opinion on HE - and those who have chosen to review it - your aggressive tone is unneccessary and offensive. To put it in words that you would appreciate: calm the fuck down. I'm sorry if I come across as aggressive, I'm not, passionate yes. When someone says Ian Anderson can't sing I think that warrants a passionate response. Being called a "Jack Ass" and being told to "Shut The Fuck Up" is rather more aggressive I would have thought.
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Post by Mix on May 1, 2014 13:01:45 GMT -5
Well, that is about all I can stand. This forum is toxic. Homo Erraticus has rekindled in me a flame that had died long ago. Having Tull back in my life was a strange, but happy feeling that I wanted to share that with like-minded fans. This was clearly the wrong place to do it. The negativity is really hard to bare. I would like to say it has been fun, but I would be lying. TM: Please delete my account. Don't go Craig because those of us who LOVE Tull with be outnumbered by a moaning bunch of bitter old farts.
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Post by Nonfatman on May 1, 2014 13:21:52 GMT -5
Well, that is about all I can stand. This forum is toxic. Homo Erraticus has rekindled in me a flame that had died long ago. Having Tull back in my life was a strange, but happy feeling that I wanted to share that with like-minded fans. This was clearly the wrong place to do it. The negativity is really hard to bare. I would like to say it has been fun, but I would be lying. TM: Please delete my account. Hey, Craig.....please don't leave The Board, there are quite a few of us who agree with you on H.E., including myself. To me it is a far better album than TAAB2, much of which was tedious and pretentious. Although I have serious reservations about the H.E. lyrics (which are awkward and do not quite do justice to the brilliant concept), I think you are right that musically, it is for the most part energetic, fresh and exciting rock, and there are four or five songs which are absolutely tremendous, especially Puer Ferox Adventus, Ian's best song in many years and a minor masterpiece. I know that I will be playing this record a lot more often than TAAB2. The main difference is that TAAB2 is a more tentative album, with Ian seemingly unable to decide if he wanted it to sound more like a solo album or more like a Tull album, and still wanting to keep the door open to Martin returning. Homo Erraticus is much more decisive, a slamming of the door shut, with Ian deciding to move on with the new band and recapture the old Tull sound, and old in this case includes echoes of 70's and 90's Tull. I don't really understand why he could not have written the same album with Martin back in the fold, because as good as I think the music on this album is, it would be that much better with Martin. This Board has always had strong-minded and knowledgeable people who call it the way they see it, and this includes criticism. That's a good thing for a forum, as it fosters rigorous and, at times, heated debate and yes, even arguments. That's okay, but sometimes it can get a little too heated, as you've noticed today but what usually happens is that fences are mended and people here kiss and make up. For me, that's what keeps it interesting. I do hope that Greg and Mix dial it down a bit. Jeff
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Post by Morthoron on May 1, 2014 13:28:36 GMT -5
I never suggested any one leave and I have no problem with different opinions. What I said was I was surprised Dan was a staff member and that maybe you should get off the Tull ship and go listened to something you do like. Because someone doesn't like a new Ian Anderson album, they should forget about 40+ years of Jethro Tull history? What an idiotic thing to think, let alone blurt out like it makes any sense whatsoever. Man... I really shouldn't waste my time but...... what are you on about? What is the point in comparing 70's Tull albums to a 2014 album? There is no point. Look, I love those classic Tull albums, nothing made today is ever going to touch them. Go listen to them, enjoy them, but banging on about how a 2014 album doesn't live up to your 70's expectations or a 66 year Ian Anderson doesn't live up to your 20's something Ian Anderson is just bloody stupid. It sounds to me like you don't even like IA. All I'm saying is why don't you just button it if you don't like it. A little criticism and expressed disappointment is valid but if you blatantly don't have anything positive to say its sometimes better to say nothing. I think HE is great and so do many people. Its giving me a lot of pleasure this last week or so and I can't wait to see IA perform it. What's so wrong about enjoying these final times of IA and celebrating this amazing musician and his wonderful career. What's not to like? Enjoy whatever you like. No one is telling you not to. But don't tell me what to think. I've seen posts that suggest HE is a masterpiece and that it is a return to 70s Tull. I, frankly, do not hear it. There are songs I really like, and songs that I don't care for at all. It's about half and half, honestly. But I am stupid when I refer to 70s albums to rebut effusive praise that I don't think is in direct context with what was said? Where is your logic? Yes, I do require someone to make sense when they have a discussion with me. And you do not make sense. And please show me where I have been blatantly negative about the album. Come on, junior, where the hell did I completely bash anything? Oh yeah, I didn't. But because I don't walk in lockstep with your hallowed opinion I should button it. Whatever. Well, that is about all I can stand. This forum is toxic. Homo Erraticus has rekindled in me a flame that had died long ago. Having Tull back in my life was a strange, but happy feeling that I wanted to share that with like-minded fans. This was clearly the wrong place to do it. The negativity is really hard to bare. I would like to say it has been fun, but I would be lying. TM: Please delete my account. Reading your posts, it seems to me that you were planning this all along. Every post you have made has expressed dismay that anyone should criticize anything about this new album. Every one of your posts has been dismissive about even the slightest of disagreements. And now you want to make the "grand gesture" and have your account deleted, rather than just discussing something else about Tull. You gave up on Tull years ago, so you say yourself. It took this album to make you love them again? That's pretty funny, or sad, depending on your point of view. I have been listening to Tull albums since 1971. Never stopped. No matter what album I thought was mediocre or even deplorable. There is always something coming along that was worthwhile to listen to and discuss. I have spent thousands of dollars on Tull albums over the years, and I will criticize what I don't like because that is my prerogative as a consumer of the band's product. I hope you find that magical place on the interwebs where everyone blindly agrees with everything you love. Newsflash: I post on the other Tull forum as well, and I agree and disagree with the same things as I do here. It is called free speech. Get used to it.
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Post by Mix on May 1, 2014 13:35:44 GMT -5
Jeff, consider it dialed down and thanks for your sensible comments on HE, clearly you have better hearing than senile old Morthoron. I'll be seeing Mr. Anderson this weekend and I can't fucking wait!. Morth, please don't bother showing up, trust me, you won't like it.
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Post by Morthoron on May 1, 2014 13:43:38 GMT -5
Morthorn, whatever! Jeff, consider it dialed down and thanks for your sensible comments on HE, clearly you have better hearing than senile old Morthorn. Hey, how about a nice cup of shut the fuck up, Mix. Jeff is allowed his opinion about the album. You are allowed your opinion about the album. But I am allowed my opinion about the album as well. What is not welcome is when some ass like yourself decides to attack someone else's opinion about the album.
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