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Post by TM on Feb 4, 2015 16:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Feb 4, 2015 16:56:18 GMT -5
No new compositions. I'll wait for SFTW. Always thought Minstrel was a bit bland
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Post by Pieter on Feb 5, 2015 1:46:20 GMT -5
As far as I am concerned Minstrel is as bland as Chicken Vindaloo. Always been a favourite. Yep - I'll buy this - again :-)
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 5, 2015 1:58:53 GMT -5
Yeah, right, uh huh, sure, of course not (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) say no more. |
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Post by Geoff CB on Feb 5, 2015 3:04:38 GMT -5
I'll order it, but TOTRNR needs the treatment much more! I still haven't listened to all the Warchild yet!
*edit* I pre-ordered the DVD and vinyl. I'm beyond help...
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Post by TM on Feb 5, 2015 11:27:17 GMT -5
Yeah, right, uh huh, sure, of course not (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) say no more. Minstrel is in my top 5. |
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Post by TM on Feb 5, 2015 11:28:26 GMT -5
No new compositions. I'll wait for SFTW. Always thought Minstrel was a bit bland Yeah? I thought it said something about 6 or 7 previously unreleased things? |
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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2015 13:00:05 GMT -5
I "Mothfairyed" my unprotected cd of Minstrel while loading the Christmas Tree in my car so I was looking for another one anyway. Dan |
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Post by TM on Feb 5, 2015 14:08:53 GMT -5
I "Mothfairyed" my unprotected cd of Minstrel while loading the Christmas Tree in my car so I was looking for another one anyway. Dan I hear ya Danno. We all must come up with some excuse to buy the effin thing! |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 5, 2015 15:07:35 GMT -5
Yeah, right, uh huh, sure, of course not (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) say no more. Minstrel is in my top 5. I like all the 70s Tull and Minstrel was in my top five for many years, but now Minstrel seems more like Aqualung, TOTRR , HH and, well, everything after SFTW Really, which sounds like Ian backed by Jethro Tull - whereas Benefit, SFTW, and the Hammond years (sans Aqua) sounds more like a group. Which reminds me, I never liked the idea of having Ian's pic only on a Jethro Tull album cover. BTW, came across this. The industry is changing before our very eyes. www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2014/10/16/not-one-artists-album-has-gone-platinum-in-2014/Taylor Swift finally cracked the Platinum mark by year's end. |
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Post by Pieter on Feb 5, 2015 16:32:27 GMT -5
I like all the 70s Tull and Minstrel was in my top five for many years, but now Minstrel seems more like Aqualung, TOTRR , HH and, well, everything after SFTW Really, which sounds like Ian backed by Jethro Tull - whereas Benefit, SFTW, and the Hammond years (sans Aqua) sounds more like a group. Which reminds me, I never liked the idea of having Ian's pic only on a Jethro Tull album cover. BTW, came across this. The industry is changing before our very eyes. www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2014/10/16/not-one-artists-album-has-gone-platinum-in-2014/Taylor Swift finally cracked the Platinum mark by year's end. Well I liked the sleeve of MITG. Your remark about a backing group makes me think. I'm going to have another listening with that in mind. Just as a primary reaction I felt that Tull was a band until Dave Pegg left even though Ian was center stage and wanted to be noticed, but somehow that may also have something to do with how I enjoyed concerts. After all I was a little younger then. Since Stormwatch it was definitely more Ian's band. Attachments:
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Post by TM on Feb 5, 2015 17:28:46 GMT -5
I like all the 70s Tull and Minstrel was in my top five for many years, but now Minstrel seems more like Aqualung, TOTRR , HH and, well, everything after SFTW Really, which sounds like Ian backed by Jethro Tull - whereas Benefit, SFTW, and the Hammond years (sans Aqua) sounds more like a group. Which reminds me, I never liked the idea of having Ian's pic only on a Jethro Tull album cover. BTW, came across this. The industry is changing before our very eyes. www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2014/10/16/not-one-artists-album-has-gone-platinum-in-2014/Taylor Swift finally cracked the Platinum mark by year's end. Minstrel certainly has Ian's stamp on it more so than some of the others as you mentioned. The songs feature the acoustic quite a bit which I do like. I'm not sure what to make of the lack of record sales? Is it illegal downloads, crappy music, or both? |
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Post by Biggles on Feb 5, 2015 22:05:56 GMT -5
The truth has a certain ring to it... and I don't hear any bells TM.  ...and of course I'm NOT buying this one either. I don't need it, never liked it, and I hated the tour! ...Goddamnit, April you say? |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 6, 2015 1:40:12 GMT -5
I like all the 70s Tull and Minstrel was in my top five for many years, but now Minstrel seems more like Aqualung, TOTRR , HH and, well, everything after SFTW Really, which sounds like Ian backed by Jethro Tull - whereas Benefit, SFTW, and the Hammond years (sans Aqua) sounds more like a group. Which reminds me, I never liked the idea of having Ian's pic only on a Jethro Tull album cover. BTW, came across this. The industry is changing before our very eyes. www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2014/10/16/not-one-artists-album-has-gone-platinum-in-2014/Taylor Swift finally cracked the Platinum mark by year's end. Minstrel certainly has Ian's stamp on it more so than some of the others as you mentioned. The songs feature the acoustic quite a bit which I do like. I'm not sure what to make of the lack of record sales? Is it illegal downloads, crappy music, or both? I think part of it is the mp3 format. I mean, most downloads are of the poorest quality since the 50s, no joke. Kids today don't know anything about sound quality as a result. Then too our generation was the first to by albums in mass, after the Beatles onslaught. Before that it was singles, which is where we are now with the .99 download per song. Albums are on the way out. Kids don't have time for concepts and artwork and don't care about holding tangible product. It's all about being on the move having too many distractions. I read that the average teenager will listen to a new song once, then, on average, ten seconds of it here and there thereafter, before losing interest and moving on to some other activity. Don't know where that sort of info comes from however. Don't know about you but I never listened to serious music, like say Tull or Handel or any favorite as background music for other activity. I would sit and listen as one would sit and watch a movie - it had my undivided attention. I think that's more the exception now than the norm. Well I like the acoustic Tull also as we all do. I don't think it is that really as much as just IA seeming to project himself forward more at some times than others. Like on Stormwatch. Thankfully the other members played their collective butts off on that one. Minstrel has Martin's composition marks all over it, but Ian's meanderings seem to just slow the thing down. Baker St Muse has some good things for instance, but is always hard for me to plow through. And then there are the self indulgent and often pompous lyrics of that era, like Ian is trying to be abstract and vague purposely to piss the critics. I think this was his self conscious period. |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Feb 6, 2015 2:32:45 GMT -5
Always thought the composituons were a bit blande and recording was thin in 75 and 76. In regards to heavy and acoustic melodies I think were a lot better in 70-74 and 77-80. The drums, bass, keys and vocals also lack depth in 75 & 76
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Post by Pieter on Feb 6, 2015 12:15:55 GMT -5
The truth has a certain ring to it... and I don't hear any bells TM. ...and of course I'm NOT buying this one either. I don't need it, never liked it, and I hated the tour! ...Goddamnit, April you say? Which tour?? There was no minstrel tour ?! |
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Post by Tulltapes on Feb 6, 2015 13:12:43 GMT -5
The truth has a certain ring to it... and I don't hear any bells TM. ...and of course I'm NOT buying this one either. I don't need it, never liked it, and I hated the tour! ...Goddamnit, April you say? Which tour?? There was no minstrel tour ?! The real Warchild tour pretty much ended late Aug 75. The band released Minstrel and then rehearsed here in Buffalo for a while before beginning a new tour with slightly different costumes (Martin wearing a red suit) and the setlist revamped..excluding many Warchild tunes. This tour began late Sept 75.. I consider the Minstrel tour. As for the 40th Minstrel package besides the 5.1 Steven Wilson remixes there is an 8 minute video from Paris 1975 and a complete Paris 75 concert audio DVD also in 5.1. If you remember the Passion Play extract from the 25th anniversary disc...this is that entire concert. remixed by Jakko Jakszyk from King Crimson. This will be the first EVER released live Tull from the Jeffery Hammond era.. Now if that's not "bells and whistles" I don't know what is. live disc track-list July 5th 1975 Palais des Sportes Paris, FranceIntroduction 02. Wind Up 03. Critique Oblique 04. Wond ring Aloud 05. My God 06. Cross-Eyed Mary 07. Minstrel In The Gallery 08. Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of The New Day 09. Bungle In The Jungle 10. Aqualung 11. Guitar Solo 12. Back-Door Angels 13. Locomotive Breath |
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Post by Pieter on Feb 6, 2015 14:25:37 GMT -5
Which tour?? There was no minstrel tour ?! The real Warchild tour pretty much ended late Aug 75. The band released Minstrel and then rehearsed here in Buffalo for a while before beginning a new tour with slightly different costumes (Martin wearing a red suit) and the setlist revamped..excluding many Warchild tunes. This tour began late Sept 75.. I consider the Minstrel tour. As for the 40th Minstrel package besides the 5.1 Steven Wilson remixes there is an 8 minute video from Paris 1975 and a complete Paris 75 concert audio DVD also in 5.1. If you remember the Passion Play extract from the 25th anniversary disc...this is that entire concert. remixed by Jakko Jakszyk from King Crimson. This will be the first EVER released live Tull from the Jeffery Hammond era.. Now if that's not "bells and whistles" I don't know what is. live disc track-list July 5th 1975 Palais des Sportes Paris, FranceIntroduction 02. Wind Up 03. Critique Oblique 04. Wond ring Aloud 05. My God 06. Cross-Eyed Mary 07. Minstrel In The Gallery 08. Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of The New Day 09. Bungle In The Jungle 10. Aqualung 11. Guitar Solo 12. Back-Door Angels 13. Locomotive Breath Don't want to split hairs, but in those days a new album was followed by a tour playing lots of the new album. Boy, would I love to have heard "black satin dancer, Requiem, Baker street muse" live. Pieter |
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Post by Tulltapes on Feb 6, 2015 15:49:42 GMT -5
The real Warchild tour pretty much ended late Aug 75. The band released Minstrel and then rehearsed here in Buffalo for a while before beginning a new tour with slightly different costumes (Martin wearing a red suit) and the setlist revamped..excluding many Warchild tunes. This tour began late Sept 75.. I consider the Minstrel tour. As for the 40th Minstrel package besides the 5.1 Steven Wilson remixes there is an 8 minute video from Paris 1975 and a complete Paris 75 concert audio DVD also in 5.1. If you remember the Passion Play extract from the 25th anniversary disc...this is that entire concert. remixed by Jakko Jakszyk from King Crimson. This will be the first EVER released live Tull from the Jeffery Hammond era.. Now if that's not "bells and whistles" I don't know what is. live disc track-list July 5th 1975 Palais des Sportes Paris, FranceIntroduction 02. Wind Up 03. Critique Oblique 04. Wond ring Aloud 05. My God 06. Cross-Eyed Mary 07. Minstrel In The Gallery 08. Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of The New Day 09. Bungle In The Jungle 10. Aqualung 11. Guitar Solo 12. Back-Door Angels 13. Locomotive Breath Don't want to split hairs, but in those days a new album was followed by a tour playing lots of the new album. Boy, would I love to have heard "black satin dancer, Requiem, Baker street muse" live. Pieter At this time they were creating music that was not that easy to pull off live. They also began to be less bold with new material in the states. The real tour for TOTRR was ditched by the time they got to the USA were we got the stadium Tullavision tour. |
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Post by Pieter on Feb 6, 2015 16:22:53 GMT -5
Don't want to split hairs, but in those days a new album was followed by a tour playing lots of the new album. Boy, would I love to have heard "black satin dancer, Requiem, Baker street muse" live. Pieter At this time they were creating music that was not that easy to pull off live. They also began to be less bold with new material in the states. The real tour for TOTRR was ditched by the time they got to the USA were we got the stadium Tullavision tour. Well maybe, I'm not sure, I saw them in Rotterdam in may 1976, they played a lot of TOTRR. It's all water under the bridge. Love the albums, love the boots, love what Tull was and what Ian, Martin still are! |
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Post by Tulltapes on Feb 6, 2015 16:53:29 GMT -5
At this time they were creating music that was not that easy to pull off live. They also began to be less bold with new material in the states. The real tour for TOTRR was ditched by the time they got to the USA were we got the stadium Tullavision tour. Well maybe, I'm not sure, I saw them in Rotterdam in may 1976, they played a lot of TOTRR. It's all water under the bridge. Love the albums, love the boots, love what Tull was and what Ian, Martin still are! perfect example.. Rotterdam 76 was one of the true TOTRR concerts. Lucky you are to see such a rare show. Here in the USA alot of things get dropped from the setlist. Rotterdam 76  |
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Post by Non Rabbit on Feb 6, 2015 16:54:47 GMT -5
Minstrel perhaps marked the end of the guys really working and living together as a band and moving towards meeting up for tours and recordings.
I'm sure I remember reading one one the guys in the band describing this change. Ian would be getting married again soon and the fish farm was not far off.
This album is up there for me. Not a weak track, and along with SFTW the best of the latter years of the 70's. Side two has some killer lyrics and I love the way it's put together.
I can distinctly remember lying on my bedroom floor with the mic of a small tape recorder placed next to a transistor radio while they did this session.
It's broken into four parts and they all can be found on the web.
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Post by TM on Feb 11, 2015 13:16:54 GMT -5
 Track listing on the CD Minstrel In The Gallery Cold Wind To Valhalla Black Satin Dancer Requiem One White Duck / 010 = Nothing At All Baker St. Muse Baker St. Muse -Pig-Me And The Whore Baker St. Muse - Nice Little Tune Baker St. Muse - Crash-Barrier Waltzer Baker St. Muse - Mother England Reverie Grace Summerday Sands Requiem (Version 1)* One White Duck (Take 5)* Grace (Take 2)* Minstrel In The Gallery (BBC version)* Cold Wind To Valhalla (BBC version)* Aqualung (BBC version)* Here's Aqualung: |
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Post by eepie on Feb 11, 2015 20:25:46 GMT -5
i am going to have to buy this, aren't i...
finally went ahead and listened to Minstrel for the first time yesterday on my way to and from work. and again today.
yeah, let's just say that i will have to upgrade when this comes out.
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Post by Biggles on Feb 11, 2015 22:23:55 GMT -5
Track listing on the CD Minstrel In The Gallery Cold Wind To Valhalla Black Satin Dancer Requiem One White Duck / 010 = Nothing At All Baker St. Muse Baker St. Muse -Pig-Me And The Whore Baker St. Muse - Nice Little Tune Baker St. Muse - Crash-Barrier Waltzer Baker St. Muse - Mother England Reverie Grace Summerday Sands Requiem (Version 1)* One White Duck (Take 5)* Grace (Take 2)* Minstrel In The Gallery (BBC version)* Cold Wind To Valhalla (BBC version)* Aqualung (BBC version)* Here's Aqualung: Okay, without trying to be clever this time. I'm ALL in on this release. I've always loved this record. The bands performance is precision. Ian's vocals are still peaking. And... I never attended the MITG tour that didn't happen. Call me Brian Williams if you must. |
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...and of course I'm NOT buying this one either. I don't need it, never liked it, and I hated the tour! ...Goddamnit, April you say? 
