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Post by Nonfatman on Sept 10, 2009 16:18:23 GMT -5
There are a lot of British expressions in Tull that I just don't understand. One example of this is the phrase 'next Thursday', which occurs twice, in Big Dipper (If you're 39 or over, I'll make love to you next Thursday) and My God (You'll be praying 'til next Thursday). What is the significance of "next Thursday" in England? And can anyone give any other examples of this in Tull? I know there are quite a few.
Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 9:56:40 GMT -5
Thursday used to be payday; the time when most weekly paid blue collar, and many white collar workers in pre-saleried days would get the cash in hand to start to get their plans together for enjoying themselves....the week-end sort of started there.
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Post by TM on Sept 17, 2009 10:35:40 GMT -5
Four and twenty labourers were labouring
digging up their gold.
I've now heard "four and twenty" twice - with Tull and now Steeleye Span. Anyone?
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Post by Dan on Sept 17, 2009 20:05:41 GMT -5
Four and twenty labourers were labouring digging up their gold. I've now heard "four and twenty" twice - with Tull and now Steeleye Span. Anyone? Not British per se, but Crosby, Stills , Nash song '4 + 20". |
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Post by TM on Sept 17, 2009 21:08:48 GMT -5
And of course we 4 have and 20 blackbirds....
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Post by Nonfatman on Sept 18, 2009 9:07:06 GMT -5
Four and twenty labourers were labouring digging up their gold. I've now heard "four and twenty" twice - with Tull and now Steeleye Span. Anyone? Is that quote from Seven Hundred Elves? Or something else from the Now We Are Six album? What do you think? Steeleye has had many incarnations, but that album was their prog-rock/folk stage. You can hear the influence that they and Tull had on each other. No wonder that Ian liked them so much that he produced the album for them. Jeff |
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Post by TM on Sept 18, 2009 9:20:33 GMT -5
Four and twenty labourers were labouring digging up their gold. I've now heard "four and twenty" twice - with Tull and now Steeleye Span. Anyone? Is that quote from Seven Hundred Elves? Or something else from the Now We Are Six album? What do you think? Steeleye has had many incarnations, but that album was their prog-rock/folk stage. You can hear the influence that they and Tull had on each other. No wonder that Ian liked them so much that he produced the album for them. Jeff Not sure which song but it is on Now We Are Six. I've only played it once (during work) but did notice those moments that had that Tull sound, which was cool. I'll take it home this weekend and try to give it a better listen. One thing I've noticed is that I'm not a big fan of is Maddy's vocals. Maybe I just need more time to let it grate, I mean grow on me. Now I know why Ian mixed her so low on TOTR&R and Stitch In Time!  |
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Post by Nonfatman on Sept 18, 2009 9:33:25 GMT -5
Is that quote from Seven Hundred Elves? Or something else from the Now We Are Six album? What do you think? Steeleye has had many incarnations, but that album was their prog-rock/folk stage. You can hear the influence that they and Tull had on each other. No wonder that Ian liked them so much that he produced the album for them. Jeff Not sure which song but it is on Now We Are Six. I've only played it once (during work) but did notice those moments that had that Tull sound, which was cool. I'll take it home this weekend and try to give it a better listen. One thing I've noticed is that I'm not a big fan of is Maddy's vocals. Maybe I just need more time to let it grate, I mean grow on me. Now I know why Ian mixed her so low on TOTR&R and Stitch In Time! On that album it's mostly her, except for one or two which are sung by male vocalists, including my favorite song, Edwin, sung by Tim Hart, and that happens to be my favorite song by them....very Tullish, with flute by drummer Nigel Pergrum and some very cool whispering by Maddy at the end. You're right, Maddy at that time was singing in a very high register, although her voice has matured and deepened since then, but I like most of her singing, because it is tuneful. One thing that has always been true of Steeleye, though, there's never been just one lead singer. On several albums, including one of their first, called Hark, the Village Wait, and some of the later albums, there was a second female singer, Gay Woods, and all of their albums have a lot of harmonies and also songs that are sung exclusively by various male singers over the years, including Hart, Martin Carthy, Peter Knight, Robert Johnson and others. BTW, I'm going to see their 40th Anniversary show this Sunday at BBKings with Mike. Never saw them before, because they did not come over here very often, as Fairport used to do at the Bottom Line pretty much every year. Jeff |
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Post by johntetrad on Oct 5, 2009 20:32:03 GMT -5
On that album it's mostly her, except for one or two which are sung by male vocalists, including my favorite song, Edwin, sung by Tim Hart, and that happens to be my favorite song by them....very Tullish, with flute by drummer Nigel Pergrum and some very cool whispering by Maddy at the end. You're right, Maddy at that time was singing in a very high register, although her voice has matured and deepened since then, but I like most of her singing, because it is tuneful. One thing that has always been true of Steeleye, though, there's never been just one lead singer. On several albums, including one of their first, called Hark, the Village Wait, and some of the later albums, there was a second female singer, Gay Woods, and all of their albums have a lot of harmonies and also songs that are sung exclusively by various male singers over the years, including Hart, Martin Carthy, Peter Knight, Robert Johnson and others. BTW, I'm going to see their 40th Anniversary show this Sunday at BBKings with Mike. Never saw them before, because they did not come over here very often, as Fairport used to do at the Bottom Line pretty much every year. Jeff ooh, now then, er ... oooh ... I'm not normally one to question forum declarations, but on the subject of Span I must interject! Re: ... Edwin. Methinks it's sung by Rick Kemp not Tim Hart. two things lead me to this - firstly I know Tim's voice vair, vair well having grown up with his folk rock nursery rhyme LP (yes, yes I'm in my 30s) and Rick sings it on the 'Electric Folk' TV performance in 1974. And sounds the same as the rekkid (as IA would say). That's hugely pedantic admittedly and I do apologise! Re: Span though. They're great. Until about 1977 anyway in my book, but there you go. I'd recommend the first five LPs to everyone. As Robyn Hitchcock so eloquently put it they were "the English Velvet Underground", exponents of an "icy, medieval, night-time sound" - and Maddy's voice was at the heart of that. So powerful and razor sharp. Gorgeous. Gareth x |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 7, 2009 12:00:58 GMT -5
On that album it's mostly her, except for one or two which are sung by male vocalists, including my favorite song, Edwin, sung by Tim Hart, and that happens to be my favorite song by them....very Tullish, with flute by drummer Nigel Pergrum and some very cool whispering by Maddy at the end. You're right, Maddy at that time was singing in a very high register, although her voice has matured and deepened since then, but I like most of her singing, because it is tuneful. One thing that has always been true of Steeleye, though, there's never been just one lead singer. On several albums, including one of their first, called Hark, the Village Wait, and some of the later albums, there was a second female singer, Gay Woods, and all of their albums have a lot of harmonies and also songs that are sung exclusively by various male singers over the years, including Hart, Martin Carthy, Peter Knight, Robert Johnson and others. BTW, I'm going to see their 40th Anniversary show this Sunday at BBKings with Mike. Never saw them before, because they did not come over here very often, as Fairport used to do at the Bottom Line pretty much every year. Jeff ooh, now then, er ... oooh ... I'm not normally one to question forum declarations, but on the subject of Span I must interject! Re: ... Edwin. Methinks it's sung by Rick Kemp not Tim Hart. two things lead me to this - firstly I know Tim's voice vair, vair well having grown up with his folk rock nursery rhyme LP (yes, yes I'm in my 30s) and Rick sings it on the 'Electric Folk' TV performance in 1974. And sounds the same as the rekkid (as IA would say). That's hugely pedantic admittedly and I do apologise! Re: Span though. They're great. Until about 1977 anyway in my book, but there you go. I'd recommend the first five LPs to everyone. As Robyn Hitchcock so eloquently put it they were "the English Velvet Underground", exponents of an "icy, medieval, night-time sound" - and Maddy's voice was at the heart of that. So powerful and razor sharp. Gorgeous. Gareth x I stand corrected. And I realized my mistake even before you brought it to my attention here, because after I posted that I was looking at the CD sleeve and saw that it was Kemp, not Hart who sings that incredibly cool song. Anyway, I sometimes get confused because Steeleye Span has had so many line-up changes and so many male band members singing lead vocals over the years. For instance, at the show I saw a few weeks ago -- my first Steeleye show -- the guitarist sang several of the songs, and I thought it was Robert Johnson, but it was not, it was the new Steeleye guitarist Ken Nicol, from the Albion Band. (I found out later that Bob Johnson left Steelye after Bedlam Born, the last album that Gay Woods sang on.) Anyway, I agree with you I love Steeleye Span, especially everything up to Now We Are Six. I don't like All Around My Hat very much though, and I don't like most of the Sails of Silver stuff either, but I am missing some of their late 70s records which are out of print. The ones I really want are Commoner's Crown and Storm Force Ten. Jeff |
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