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Post by TM on Mar 4, 2012 21:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by LJG on Mar 4, 2012 21:47:38 GMT -5
All things considered... I'm thinking this is sounding really nice. Obviously Ian has vocal limitations... but lets just say that after hearing that I remain optomistic about the album as a whole and excited to hear how it all works in context.
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anthonystjames
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Post by anthonystjames on Mar 4, 2012 21:57:16 GMT -5
I am intrigued with the first sample. I like it when that little "Thick" riff that resembles '3 Blind Mice' rears its head. Not bad...
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Post by TM on Mar 4, 2012 22:00:04 GMT -5
All things considered... I'm thinking this is sounding really nice. Obviously Ian has vocal limitations... but lets just say that after hearing that I remain optomistic about the album as a whole and excited to hear how it all works in context. Agreed. I'm thinking (or hoping) that these teasers are just that - and there will be plenty of meat and potatoes (or prawn vindaloo) for us to dig into.
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Post by Morthoron on Mar 4, 2012 22:04:11 GMT -5
Hmmm...my main concern is that this sounds like an Ian Anderson solo project, and not a Jethro Tull album. Say what you will about Ian writing all the material and directing Tull through every album; nevertheless, there was a band dynamic still present, particularly in Tull's earlier albums (Thick as a Brick being a prime example) that could be heard distinctly: the warm fuzzy tones of Martin Barre, the dervish drums of Barriemore Barlow and the classical nuance of John Evan's keyboards. I do not hear that here. Do you?
Any of the samples could have been culled from leftover tracks of The Secret Language of Birds or Rupi's Dance sessions. Not wishing to cast aspersions too quickly, but I am wondering if you are noticing a decidedly un-Tullish tone here? Or am I being unduly pessimistic?
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Post by skytzo on Mar 4, 2012 22:14:09 GMT -5
Hmmm...my main concern is that this sounds like an Ian Anderson solo project, and not a Jethro Tull album. Say what you will about Ian writing all the material and directing Tull through every album; nevertheless, there was a band dynamic still present, particularly in Tull's earlier albums ( Thick as a Brick being a prime example) that could be heard distinctly: the warm fuzzy tones of Martin Barre, the dervish drums of Barriemore Barlow and the classical nuance of John Evan's keyboards. I do not hear that here. Do you? Any of the samples could have been culled from leftover tracks of The Secret Language of Birds or Rupi's Dance sessions. Not wishing to cast aspersions too quickly, but I am wondering if you are noticing a decidedly un-Tullish tone here? Or am I being unduly pessimistic? While I feel that's it's unfair to have any expectations that this will somehow stand up in comparison to classic era Tull, I tend to agree with your overall premise. It is very Ian solo album-ish (yeah, I know technically it is) in that it's lacking in - how do I put it delicately - balls. Here's hoping for the meat and potatoes....
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Post by LJG on Mar 4, 2012 22:16:05 GMT -5
Hmmm...my main concern is that this sounds like an Ian Anderson solo project, and not a Jethro Tull album. I hate to state the obvious... but, technically, this is an Ian Anderson solo project. I'd prefer to let this work rise or fall on its own merits and am trying to keep preconceptions as to how I think it should sound to a minimum. I want to hear how Ian thinks TAAB2 should sound...
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Post by TM on Mar 4, 2012 22:24:23 GMT -5
Hmmm...my main concern is that this sounds like an Ian Anderson solo project, and not a Jethro Tull album. Say what you will about Ian writing all the material and directing Tull through every album; nevertheless, there was a band dynamic still present, particularly in Tull's earlier albums ( Thick as a Brick being a prime example) that could be heard distinctly: the warm fuzzy tones of Martin Barre, the dervish drums of Barriemore Barlow and the classical nuance of John Evan's keyboards. I do not hear that here. Do you? Any of the samples could have been culled from leftover tracks of The Secret Language of Birds or Rupi's Dance sessions. Not wishing to cast aspersions too quickly, but I am wondering if you are noticing a decidedly un-Tullish tone here? Or am I being unduly pessimistic? Interesting points. Some observations: I think it's fair to say that other than Mark Craney (RIP), no drummer has really offered that dervish style to IA's music. I also get the feeling that Florian may play a fairly prominent role in this record, although I don't see him "answering" Ian's vocal lines in any way even close to Martin. Lastly, I don't recall the squeezy thing from bloody hell being a prominent instrument on TAAB... But with these samples I can understand feelings from both sides. We'll just have to wait and see. In looking back, has there ever been a Tull album that you simply connected with upon the very first listen?
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Post by Morthoron on Mar 4, 2012 22:32:18 GMT -5
Hmmm...my main concern is that this sounds like an Ian Anderson solo project, and not a Jethro Tull album. I hate to state the obvious... but, technically, this is an Ian Anderson solo project. I'd prefer to let this work rise or fall on its own merits and am trying to keep preconceptions as to how I think it should sound to a minimum. I want to hear how Ian thinks TAAB2 should sound... I hate to reply to the obvious...but if an artist decides to afix a '2' to an album (or Two, Too, II, Deux, etc.), they are indicating continuity, both musically and conceptually, to the original - in this case, a Jethro Tull album. With that ponderous weight is added the incumbent expectations that the second album lives up to the content of the first. It is very dangerous ground Ian is treading, in that one cannot help but have at least a nominal bit of preconceived notions regarding what the album should sound like. If it were just another Ian Anderson solo project, then there is no worry, and no heightened expectations. It is a cross that the album must bear.
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Post by Morthoron on Mar 4, 2012 22:36:00 GMT -5
In looking back, has there ever been a Tull album that you simply connected with upon the very first listen? I would say both Minstrel in the Gallery and Songs from the Wood. I didn't get that feeling from Warchild, Too Old to Rock and Roll or Heavy Horses (individual songs but not the albums in their entirety).
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 4, 2012 22:53:26 GMT -5
Hmmm...my main concern is that this sounds like an Ian Anderson solo project, and not a Jethro Tull album. Say what you will about Ian writing all the material and directing Tull through every album; nevertheless, there was a band dynamic still present, particularly in Tull's earlier albums ( Thick as a Brick being a prime example) that could be heard distinctly: the warm fuzzy tones of Martin Barre, the dervish drums of Barriemore Barlow and the classical nuance of John Evan's keyboards. I do not hear that here. Do you? Any of the samples could have been culled from leftover tracks of The Secret Language of Birds or Rupi's Dance sessions. Not wishing to cast aspersions too quickly, but I am wondering if you are noticing a decidedly un-Tullish tone here? Or am I being unduly pessimistic? While I feel that's it's unfair to have any expectations that this will somehow stand up in comparison to classic era Tull, I tend to agree with your overall premise. It is very Ian solo album-ish (yeah, I know technically it is) in that it's lacking in - how do I put it delicately - balls. Here's hoping for the meat and potatoes.... Although it's hard to judge by such brief samples, I'm not liking any of what I've heard so far very much, whether on the promotional video or these clips. It sounds more like a continuation of Rupi's Dance, than of Brick. It's Rupi 2, not Brick 2. I really don't like the spoken voice clip at all either. Without Martin as part of the project, it was bound to be this way. It just lacks the Tull-ish "oomph" that a Brick sequel deserves, or as you put it, it lacks balls. If this is the way it's going to be, than the fans who protested that a Brick sequel should not have been attempted without Martin will be vindicated. Jeff
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Post by TM on Mar 4, 2012 22:56:54 GMT -5
In looking back, has there ever been a Tull album that you simply connected with upon the very first listen? I would say both Minstrel in the Gallery and Songs from the Wood. I didn't get that feeling from Warchild, Too Old to Rock and Roll or Heavy Horses (individual songs but not the albums in their entirety). SFTW is probably the only one for me, with maybe HH a close second. But IA is an 'acquired taste' so it will be interesting to see what we think after a couple of listens....
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Post by TM on Mar 4, 2012 23:08:14 GMT -5
While I feel that's it's unfair to have any expectations that this will somehow stand up in comparison to classic era Tull, I tend to agree with your overall premise. It is very Ian solo album-ish (yeah, I know technically it is) in that it's lacking in - how do I put it delicately - balls. Here's hoping for the meat and potatoes.... Although it's hard to judge by such brief samples, I'm not liking any of what I've heard so far very much, whether on the promotional video or these clips. It sounds more like a continuation of Rupi's Dance, than of Brick. It's Rupi 2, not Brick 2. I really don't like the spoken voice clip at all either. Without Martin as part of the project, it was bound to be this way. It just lacks the Tull-ish "oomph" that a Brick sequel deserves, or as you put it, it lacks balls. If this is the way it's going to be, than the fans who protested that a Brick sequel should not have been attempted without Martin will be vindicated. Jeff I'm not disagreeing with you Jeff, but after all these years, this is what finally inspired Ian to write new music. So I'm going to take a wait and see approach. But I am wondering whether or not we will see Ian (along with Deepak Choprah) on PBS anytime soon.
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 4, 2012 23:13:11 GMT -5
Although it's hard to judge by such brief samples, I'm not liking any of what I've heard so far very much, whether on the promotional video or these clips. It sounds more like a continuation of Rupi's Dance, than of Brick. It's Rupi 2, not Brick 2. I really don't like the spoken voice clip at all either. Without Martin as part of the project, it was bound to be this way. It just lacks the Tull-ish "oomph" that a Brick sequel deserves, or as you put it, it lacks balls. If this is the way it's going to be, than the fans who protested that a Brick sequel should not have been attempted without Martin will be vindicated. Jeff I'm not disagreeing with you Jeff, but after all these years, this is what finally inspired Ian to write new music. So I'm going to take a wait and see approach. But I am wondering whether or not we will see Ian (along with Deepak Choprah) on PBS anytime soon. Of course, we must wait to hear the entire thing before we can judge it. These clips are so brief, so it's impossible to form any complete opinions. The concept is brilliant, I love that, so I have a feeling that I'm going to like the lyrical ideas a lot, and find them applicable to my own life, like I do with a lot of Ian's words. I just hope that it rocks a lot more than what I've heard so far. Jeff
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 4, 2012 23:16:53 GMT -5
Hmmm...my main concern is that this sounds like an Ian Anderson solo project, and not a Jethro Tull album. Say what you will about Ian writing all the material and directing Tull through every album; nevertheless, there was a band dynamic still present, particularly in Tull's earlier albums ( Thick as a Brick being a prime example) that could be heard distinctly: the warm fuzzy tones of Martin Barre, the dervish drums of Barriemore Barlow and the classical nuance of John Evan's keyboards. I do not hear that here. Do you? Any of the samples could have been culled from leftover tracks of The Secret Language of Birds or Rupi's Dance sessions. Not wishing to cast aspersions too quickly, but I am wondering if you are noticing a decidedly un-Tullish tone here? Or am I being unduly pessimistic? I agree 100%, these samples sound a lot like Rupi's Dance material. But I'm sure at least that the lyrics will be a lot better than Rupi. Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 23:49:35 GMT -5
Wow, this is great. I actually went to the website today specifically to look for this.
The samples sound better than I expected it to sound. Especially the first two samples. I think so far this sounds better than Rupi's dance, but it certainly sounds a lot like it. When you compare these samples to the original TaaB the change in his songwriting style is pretty dramatic.
Anyway, I like it, and I'm very thankful that there is a new Ian Anderson release. Can't wait to hear the whole album.
In terms of the meat and potatoes thing, I don't think we can really expect much of that from Ian nowadays. His testosterone levels are on the downgrade.
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Post by tlittle on Mar 5, 2012 1:42:15 GMT -5
Upper 6th Loan Shark sample sounds like "Set Aside" to me at first blush. And I agree with TM that with all the emphasis by Ian that the original instrumentation was maintained for this one....(i.e. Les Paul/Hammond organ)....what's up with the squeezy thing?
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Post by Chea on Mar 5, 2012 2:48:01 GMT -5
Very interesting samples. I already love that sound, thanks ... M.
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Post by sealdriver on Mar 5, 2012 3:16:59 GMT -5
Sounds like Rupi's Dance, which I didn't like much at all. This should lay all questions to rest: Tull is dead.
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Post by Silkenmist on Mar 5, 2012 7:27:39 GMT -5
Good Day....I agree that the few songs I heard from this album sounds somewhat like Rupi's Dance, but I really like the instrumental piece and if there are more like that, the I will buy this album....but I must agree with SealDriver, Tull as we knew them, is no longer.... Silken...
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Post by jtul07 on Mar 5, 2012 7:42:45 GMT -5
Samples? What a tease. I like the instrumental of "Pebbles Thrown". "Might Have Beens" works for me. This is going to be a 2012 album that many can relate to. Comparing this to 1972 is not possible. If I was 15, I might not rush out to record store for this. Oh, I forgot, no record stores anymore. I'll get this just on the assumption that Ian Anderson knows what he is doing. That's good enough for me. ;D ;D
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Post by Dan on Mar 5, 2012 9:03:02 GMT -5
Good Day....I agree that the few songs I heard from this album sounds somewhat like Rupi's Dance, but I really like the instrumental piece and if there are more like that, the I will buy this album....but I must agree with SealDriver, Tull as we knew them, is no longer.... Silken... I don't know,I really didn't care for this instrumental when it was simply called, "That Fucking Tune." There have been snippets of 9 out of 17 songs between the official TAAB2 Trailer, The Planet Rock Interview and the new samples of website and the ones they been playing for the past tour or two ,Adrift and A Change of Horses still sound the best. But I agree with TM , that I don't remember any accordian on the original TAAB and it's time to scrap that thing. Kismet in Suburbia sounds like it has potential but the two spoken ones probably won't be listened to more than once and won't get a download in my rotation. I love the idea of a new I.A. disc but I already feel like it was a mistake to label it TAAB2 as there will always be comparisons, no Martin and just seems like a way of cashing in on the Tull name wrapped in Ian Anderson clothing. I think I.A. would have better served just naming it something different and trying to let the fan base discover that it was indeed a continuation of the TAAB theme. Dan
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Post by Dan on Mar 5, 2012 9:13:35 GMT -5
Upper 6th Loan Shark sample sounds like "Set Aside" to me at first blush. And I agree with TM that with all the emphasis by Ian that the original instrumentation was maintained for this one....(i.e. Les Paul/Hammond organ)....what's up with the squeezy thing? Yes...and yes. Dan
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Post by dpc915 on Mar 5, 2012 9:14:14 GMT -5
It IS an Ian solo project....new music is better than NO new music...I do wish it was a Tull project with Martin....but its done....that all being said, I like the samples...interesting...Ian's new sound is of course more mellow and acoustic based....its nice
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Post by Dan on Mar 5, 2012 9:17:12 GMT -5
I hate to state the obvious... but, technically, this is an Ian Anderson solo project. I'd prefer to let this work rise or fall on its own merits and am trying to keep preconceptions as to how I think it should sound to a minimum. I want to hear how Ian thinks TAAB2 should sound... I hate to reply to the obvious...but if an artist decides to afix a '2' to an album (or Two, Too, II, Deux, etc.), they are indicating continuity, both musically and conceptually, to the original - in this case, a Jethro Tull album. With that ponderous weight is added the incumbent expectations that the second album lives up to the content of the first. It is very dangerous ground Ian is treading, in that one cannot help but have at least a nominal bit of preconceived notions regarding what the album should sound like. If it were just another Ian Anderson solo project, then there is no worry, and no heightened expectations. It is a cross that the album must bear. My thoughts exactly. Dan P.S. I'm glad you decided to stick around.
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