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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 14:38:00 GMT -5
I hear Divinities riffs, and SLOB..('set aside' for sure) I am excited there is new music to hear but..the samples just strengthen my belief that TAAB2 is the last thing this should be called..Even just "whatever happened to Gerald Bostick" would have been more appropriate. I think out of everything I have heard the "squeezy thing" is the biggest disappointment. Along with the "Thick as a Brick" repeated line in what could be a pretty decent instrumental. Replace the squeezy thing with the Hammond! These clips kinda put it all into perspective. I guess there isn't enough time but if I were SW I would run into the control room and edit that stuff outta there so fast. Sorry for those who don't agree. The instrumentation is being touted as similar to the original brick yet there's that damn squeezy thing again. It doesn't go away? That thing should be destroyed in my opinion.
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Post by Oldghost on Mar 5, 2012 14:42:17 GMT -5
I completely agree. I'm just wondering now if Steve really had such of an input as it is advertised. And btw, I also agree about accordion being too high in the mix and not to mention that viola on Change of Horses would have been so much better option. Really a pity for missed oportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 14:46:06 GMT -5
I really like the accordion in their music. I never really liked the instrument by himself but when bands like Jethro Tull and Steeleye Span use it, I enjoy it.
It seems like there is a lot of negativity--glass half empty type thinking around here. As I was saying earlier we all know that we can't expect a lot. We know what Ian's solo records sound like, and that's what we should expect. Let's not let ourselves down by getting hyped up by the title.
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Post by Oldghost on Mar 5, 2012 14:57:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it should be removed completely, because it may work really nicely in some places, but it's just the question "where" and particulary "how" to use it. I think in this case it should be used in much more discrete and underneath manner and in the right place ofcourse.
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Post by TM on Mar 5, 2012 15:51:30 GMT -5
I really like the accordion in their music. I never really liked the instrument by himself but when bands like Jethro Tull and Steeleye Span use it, I enjoy it. It seems like there is a lot of negativity--glass half empty type thinking around here. As I was saying earlier we all know that we can't expect a lot. We know what Ian's solo records sound like, and that's what we should expect. Let's not let ourselves down by getting hyped up by the title. But that is it in a nutshell. The album title is begging for attention. I seriously hope the content has the goods to warrant the label.
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Post by macdaigh on Mar 5, 2012 19:50:18 GMT -5
well, can't say I'm impressed. As almost everyone said, it sounds like Ian solo stuf i.e. same way of singing, same production (cosy, warmy sound, ideal to put the kids to sleep knowing there's no chance it will wake them up again), same instruments, same musical style (can Ian still write something different? He used to surprise me from album to album. not anymore), and certainly no feeling that it has anything to do with the original Thick As A Brick. But still, there are small sections in these snipets that make me hope for something I might want to listen to. Just hoping Gerald Bostock didn't get too old...
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Post by Max Quad on Mar 5, 2012 19:59:08 GMT -5
Question....Can anybody tell me if there is a song on TAAB2 named "Douche Chills"?
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Post by LJG on Mar 5, 2012 22:15:28 GMT -5
Ian did say he undertook this with trepadation full-well knowing that no-one may like the result.
Those who revere the original... will say its tarnished the reputation.
Those who despise 'prog' will say the whole idea is a step backwards to a time that has passed.
Everyone will point out its gonna lose money as an album (though perhaps not as a tour).
Good thing, as Ian said, he really doesn't care what people think cause he did it for himself.
I'm continuing to believe that... at the moment.... LOL
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Post by Morthoron on Mar 5, 2012 22:25:04 GMT -5
It seems like there is a lot of negativity--glass half empty type thinking around here. As I was saying earlier we all know that we can't expect a lot. We know what Ian's solo records sound like, and that's what we should expect. Let's not let ourselves down by getting hyped up by the title. But that is it in a nutshell. The album title is begging for attention. I seriously hope the content has the goods to warrant the label. Ian himself is building up the expectation, that was my point earlier. To be honest, if this were merely another "Ian Anderson solo project", I would not get too worked up. "Divinities", "Secret Language of Birds", "Rupi's Dance", etc., all have their high points and low points, but I didn't find myself running out to buy them the minute they were released. I would usually pick up the CD just prior to the tour to acquaint myself to the songs before I waddled off downtown to see the concert. But Ian is getting far more media attention for TAAB2 than I can recall for any release in the past ten years. Hell, 20 years! Usually, his releases are routinely ignored by the press. Now I am getting the feeling I am being manipulated, and I do not like to feel that way. Not one bit. Perhaps I am being cynical. Perhaps my curmudgeonliness is cresting. But Joni Mitchell once made a very wise assessment of repetitiveness in the musical process when she said: "Nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night again, man!' You know? He painted it and that was it." Now we have TAAB2. I would be just as leary if David Gilmour or Roger Waters made " Dark Side of the Moon, Part II: It's Still All Dark", or Jimmy Page released " ZoSo, Even More So".
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Post by LJG on Mar 5, 2012 23:25:20 GMT -5
Yeah... but sequells aren't always bad.
Neil Young's Harvest Moon comes to mind...
on the other hand, something like Tubular Bells 2 was too much like the first (IMHO)... so it really all depends...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 1:26:12 GMT -5
But that is it in a nutshell. The album title is begging for attention. I seriously hope the content has the goods to warrant the label. Ian himself is building up the expectation, that was my point earlier. To be honest, if this were merely another "Ian Anderson solo project", I would not get too worked up. "Divinities", "Secret Language of Birds", "Rupi's Dance", etc., all have their high points and low points, but I didn't find myself running out to buy them the minute they were released. I would usually pick up the CD just prior to the tour to acquaint myself to the songs before I waddled off downtown to see the concert. But Ian is getting far more media attention for TAAB2 than I can recall for any release in the past ten years. Hell, 20 years! Usually, his releases are routinely ignored by the press. Now I am getting the feeling I am being manipulated, and I do not like to feel that way. Not one bit. Perhaps I am being cynical. Perhaps my curmudgeonliness is cresting. But Joni Mitchell once made a very wise assessment of repetitiveness in the musical process when she said: "Nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night again, man!' You know? He painted it and that was it." Now we have TAAB2. I would be just as leary if David Gilmour or Roger Waters made " Dark Side of the Moon, Part II: It's Still All Dark", or Jimmy Page released " ZoSo, Even More So". Yes, I know that Ian is promoting the hype around this album, but since we all realize that, it gives us less of an excuse to buy into it. I'm not saying lets all be fair to Ian this is just another solo album, I'm saying we all recognize that there is hype being built around this, so lets look past that and just take it for what it is. It's foolish to get angry at it not being as good as the original and then point fingers at Ian for getting us all wound up. We all know what Ian's music sounds like nowadays, why would we expect any different? We knew all along this isn't 1972.
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Post by macdaigh on Mar 6, 2012 8:33:53 GMT -5
"Nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night again, man!' You know? He painted it and that was it." Er... he did, actually. ;D Van gogh made many copies of his own paintings to sell them to anyone who wanted it. Which is a problem because each time a copy shows up, it lowers the value of the "original". And that's why when a copy shows up, the Van Gogh estate (or whatever) says "no, it's not by Van Gogh" that was the utterly off-topic "art history" minute. ;D
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Post by Oldghost on Mar 6, 2012 10:04:59 GMT -5
Question....Can anybody tell me if there is a song on TAAB2 named "Douche Chills"? Well...er...I'm not sure about this one, but there certainly must be a song "Squeezy Thing Kills"
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Post by Morthoron on Mar 6, 2012 10:15:29 GMT -5
"Nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night again, man!' You know? He painted it and that was it." Er... he did, actually. ;D Van gogh made many copies of his own paintings to sell them to anyone who wanted it. Which is a problem because each time a copy shows up, it lowers the value of the "original". And that's why when a copy shows up, the Van Gogh estate (or whatever) says "no, it's not by Van Gogh" that was the utterly off-topic "art history" minute. ;D You know very little about the life of Van Gogh. He sold only one of his paintings during his lifetime. This quote is from the official Van Gogh Gallery www.vangoghgallery.com/misc/faq.html: Van Gogh only sold one painting during his lifetime Red Vineyard at Arles. This painting now resides at the Pushkin Museum in Moscow. The rest of Van Gogh's more than 900 paintings were not sold or made famous until after his death. I am wondering where you got your information from.
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Post by skytzo on Mar 6, 2012 12:44:15 GMT -5
Question....Can anybody tell me if there is a song on TAAB2 named "Douche Chills"? ;D
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Post by blackacedoghandler on Mar 6, 2012 15:21:16 GMT -5
I agree that TAAB2 sounds more like an Ian solo than a Tull album.
The samples I heard I liked but it's hard to get a feel for them because they're so out of context.
I think anyone who hasn't heard Ian or Tull in 30 or 40 years, and is expecting a classic Tull sound....as they certainly would be since this is being marketed as a "Thick as a Brick" sequel.....will be disappointed in this.
Yet, those of us, like myself, who have been following the band through all its evolutions will enjoy it.
Frankly, I prefer Ian's mellower style because it seems to suit his personality more these days. But there's also the fact that it's difficult for him to find his voice when he's belting out the hard rock songs.
So the songs seemed OK but like I said, I want to hear them in context.
What's really bothering me, though, is the cover of the CD!! It's way too busy and you have to look too hard to see that it's a Tull album, and no one is going to know what "St.Cleve.com" means.
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Post by jtul07 on Mar 6, 2012 15:56:32 GMT -5
I agree that TAAB2 sounds more like an Ian solo than a Tull album. The samples I heard I liked but it's hard to get a feel for them because they're so out of context. I think anyone who hasn't heard Ian or Tull in 30 or 40 years, and is expecting a classic Tull sound....as they certainly would be since this is being marketed as a "Thick as a Brick" sequel.....will be disappointed in this. Yet, those of us, like myself, who have been following the band through all its evolutions will enjoy it. Frankly, I prefer Ian's mellower style because it seems to suit his personality more these days. But there's also the fact that it's difficult for him to find his voice when he's belting out the hard rock songs. So the songs seemed OK but like I said, I want to hear them in context. What's really bothering me, though, is the cover of the CD!! It's way too busy and you have to look too hard to see that it's a Tull album, and no one is going to know what "St.Cleve.com" means. I like being busy. ;D Go ahead Ian stay busy.
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Post by tootull on Mar 6, 2012 16:47:46 GMT -5
I wasn't going to say anything, but at this point I wish it was an instrumental album.
stop me
and so it goes, I'm back!
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Post by Tullabye on Mar 6, 2012 17:16:27 GMT -5
It's too late now but if i was a consultant i would have Ian completely do away with the higher pitch register in his vocal delivery. Go lower Ian....much better. I don't know. I was feeling pretty good about the album with the radio samples and the trailer but the samples on the website are embarrassing. The first sounds like something right out of Aladdin...or some Disney flick. "That F'ing Tune" is the Pebbles Instrumental and so far I liked it better before the mixing. The spoken words are bad and the last clip a bore. Hopefully this is not a true representation because the other bits I've heard were definitely better.
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Post by Prompter on Mar 6, 2012 18:55:51 GMT -5
I don't really know what to think, the trailer samples sounded very solid, the radio ones as well. I wasn't much impressed by these, the music is clever, but it sounds too stiff. I'm not put off by Ian singing, though, as I was preparing myself for much worse. He does sound like an old man, but he IS an old man. Still waiting to hear the whole thing (which probably means waiting until Autumn, when it's due to get released on vinyl).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 19:09:13 GMT -5
I don't really know what to think, the trailer samples sounded very solid, the radio ones as well. I wasn't much impressed by these, the music is clever, but it sounds too stiff. I'm not put off by Ian singing, though, as I was preparing myself for much worse. He does sound like an old man, but he IS an old man. Still waiting to hear the whole thing (which probably means waiting until Autumn, when it's due to get released on vinyl). I think by then it's bound to have been uploaded to youtube by someone--however brief that may last.
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Post by TM on Mar 6, 2012 19:28:15 GMT -5
Well thank goodness Ian did this album for himself and none of you blokes! I have to admit, it doesn't really bother me. Don't get me wrong, I haven't got any chills from it (douche, or otherwise) but I do find myself humming a melody here and there. Two things I agree with though . Lower the vocals, and scrap that annoying piece of crap of an instrument. Oh, and one more thing. Save the readings for the shows at the Church.
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Post by LJG on Mar 6, 2012 21:43:27 GMT -5
I'm just thankful we have new music to bitch about... and new things to trash... as opposed to the same ol' trashing of repetitive setlists and lackluster live performances.
Just think about how much fun it will be when you get to trash the fact that the first set performance of TAAB doesn't sound like the album in your player at home?
Oh wait... best not to get ahead of ourselves....
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Post by jtul07 on Mar 6, 2012 21:55:53 GMT -5
I'm just thankful we have new music to bitch about... and new things to trash... as opposed to the same ol' trashing of repetitive setlists and lackluster live performances. Just think about how much fun it will be when you get to trash the fact that the first set performance of TAAB doesn't sound like the album in your player at home? Oh wait... best not to get ahead of ourselves.... I doesn't matter if they change the live performance. It will be worth it! I am trembling with antici.........................................pation. Who buys music based on snippets? No one. ;D Snippets, shmippets. It rocks.
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Post by LJG on Mar 6, 2012 22:04:31 GMT -5
There was a bit of sarcasm in my last post. LOL
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