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Post by TM on May 10, 2011 19:54:44 GMT -5
Hi all. I'm Aki from Finland, a newbie here and the main reason for me joining in the first place is a question (or a few of them)... Does any kind of a tracklist for the intended double album version of Broadsword and the Beast exist? And if now, what kind of tracklist would you prefer? I'm planning to compile myself a custom double album (in this case a cdr or even better, a cassette!) but I have no idea of in which order the tracks should be. Except for that Cheerio should definitely be the final track on the whole thing. Sorry if the question was silly. Hello Aki, and welcome! While I don't think your question is silly, I doubt Ian ever gave the outtakes that kind of consideration. I don't believe a double album was ever planned. I'd be interested to know if you have info that proves otherwise. I used to think that Ian gave a fair amount of thought to track listings, but I think starting with Roots To Branches, he no longer gave it that much thought. Thoughts?
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Post by Nonfatman on May 10, 2011 23:49:12 GMT -5
Hi all. I'm Aki from Finland, a newbie here and the main reason for me joining in the first place is a question (or a few of them)... Does any kind of a tracklist for the intended double album version of Broadsword and the Beast exist? And if now, what kind of tracklist would you prefer? I'm planning to compile myself a custom double album (in this case a cdr or even better, a cassette!) but I have no idea of in which order the tracks should be. Except for that Cheerio should definitely be the final track on the whole thing. Sorry if the question was silly. Welcome to The Jethro Tull Board, Aki, and I think a double album for Broadsword would have been a great idea, since there was so much material. I happen to think that much of the stuff that was left out was better than what made it to the album, stuff like Too Many Too, No Step, Jack-A-Lynn, Commons Brawl and a few others were, in my opinion, superior to songs like Beastie and Watching You, Watching Me, for instance. It's too bad that it didn't come out as a double album. I believe you are our second or third Finnish member here, we've got Stejerky (Jyrki) from a band in Finland called Pyknics, and also you may be interested in the Tull tribute band Limingan Tull, which you can find in our Tull Tribute Band department. It's good to have you here on the board. Have fun checking out the threads here and feel free to ask any questions you'd like, and our members will field them! Jeff
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Post by ak78 on May 12, 2011 6:44:10 GMT -5
While I don't think your question is silly, I doubt Ian ever gave the outtakes that kind of consideration. I don't believe a double album was ever planned. I'd be interested to know if you have info that proves otherwise. I used to think that Ian gave a fair amount of thought to track listings, but I think starting with Roots To Branches, he no longer gave it that much thought. Thoughts? I'm not sure where did I get the idea of Broadsword being planned to be a double album. I might be wrong, and this might have just been my wishful thinking. Anyway, I am obsessed with alternate fan based "what if..."-versions of some albums. Finest example of such is possibly the album "SMiLE" by Beach Boys, of which I have heard many "fan mixes", made using official and unofficial outtake sources etc. And as much as I appreciate the original work of the artists, Jethro Tull in this case, a part of me (a big part of me) is thinking what would that double album be like. And even if a double album was never planned, I'd like to hear what tracks would you, the other fans, have in it and in which order. I'm very willing to speculate on this subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 7:09:08 GMT -5
Wow, I never realized it but I guess Tull never made a double album, did they? (with the acception of the live album Bursting Out)
Broadsword and the Beast plus all of the bonus tracks on the updated CD would have made a great double vinyl. Those are some of the best "bonus" tracks ever!
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Post by My God on Jul 27, 2011 12:31:58 GMT -5
Tull did release ''Living in the Past'' in December of 1972, if memory serves me correctly. It was a double disc on vinyl. I had that when it came out. Very good album. Still play it sometimes, but on cd. Let's go living in the past.
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Post by Corner of the Sphere on Jul 27, 2011 17:55:46 GMT -5
Vinyl double albums. Studio: Roots To Branches. (Almost a double) Catfish Rising release with a bonus 12 inch EP. Live: Live At Montreux. A Little Light Music. Bursting Out. Compilations: 20 Year of Jethro Tull: The Definitive Collection (5 LPs) (also double LP version). Living In The Past.
Double CDs: Night Cap. The Best Of Jethro Tull. The Anniversary Collection. 25th Anniversary 4 CD Box Set.
What did I miss?
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Post by My God on Jul 28, 2011 12:55:01 GMT -5
Don't think you missed anything. I actually learned a few things myself. So punch my name, in case you wonder, I'll be yours, I'll be yours dot com.
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Post by Beastie on Jul 31, 2011 8:40:18 GMT -5
broadsword without doubt is in my top five Tull albums dark and different , beastie being my favorite, hence my avatar, most of ians work has a theme, think it may be to do with his time on skye, but only ian knows that one
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Post by jtul07 on Aug 4, 2011 13:56:00 GMT -5
No one loves Broadsword more than I do which makes this post a little painful. If you enjoyed the live show and were mixed on the album, it sometimes is an acquired appreciation of such effort. Don't we all love rock magazines to tell us what to listen to?
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Post by My God on Aug 5, 2011 8:49:59 GMT -5
No one loves Broadsword more than I do which makes this post a little painful. If you enjoyed the live show and were mixed on the album, it sometimes is an acquired appreciation of such effort. I think many critics were still befuddled after the "A" album as being too progressive. So much for critics who love to criticize. Here is a prime example. A is one of my favorite Tull discs. Caught in a crossfire on Baker Street Avenue. Uploaded with ImageShack.usUploaded with ImageShack.usUploaded with ImageShack.us Don't we all love rock magazines to tell us what to listen to?
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Post by TM on Aug 5, 2011 13:12:40 GMT -5
Great album.....cover. I like most of the songs with my favorite being Seal Driver. I don't care for the drums though. Way too basic - giving the music a pop-rock feel. My guess is that Paul Samuel-Smith may be responsible for that since the outtakes have a more progressive sound.
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Post by jrpipik on Aug 5, 2011 17:32:54 GMT -5
I've heard any number of prog rockers say that in the 70s the record companies let them release anything they wanted because they sold like hot cakes, but when the sales dried up, so did their independence. Then if they wanted the record companies to release their records, they had to give them input and of course that input was to sound like whatever happens to be selling at the moment, which in the 80s meant a drum machine, a simple structure, and short. I'm sure Tull, King Crimson, Yes et al heard the same refrain all the time: "Genesis did it, so why can't you?"
So it's hard to blame Jethro Tull or their current drummer or even their producer for not having drums that sound like Clive Bunker or Barry Barlow because in those days pretty much no one did. (Didn't that recent interview with Barlow talk about the prog band he was in after Tull not being able to get a record deal?) And having heard Tull live with a couple different drummers who were not part of the classic lineup I can tell you they didn't have any trouble handling the more complex parts of the songs recorded by the earlier guys. They were really great drummers, they just weren't allowed to do anything creative on the records.
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Post by Nonfatman on Aug 6, 2011 7:49:34 GMT -5
I've heard any number of prog rockers say that in the 70s the record companies let them release anything they wanted because they sold like hot cakes, but when the sales dried up, so did their independence. Then if they wanted the record companies to release their records, they had to give them input and of course that input was to sound like whatever happens to be selling at the moment, which in the 80s meant a drum machine, a simple structure, and short. I'm sure Tull, King Crimson, Yes et al heard the same refrain all the time: "Genesis did it, so why can't you?" So it's hard to blame Jethro Tull or their current drummer or even their producer for not having drums that sound like Clive Bunker or Barry Barlow because in those days pretty much no one did. (Didn't that recent interview with Barlow talk about the prog band he was in after Tull not being able to get a record deal?) And having heard Tull live with a couple different drummers who were not part of the classic lineup I can tell you they didn't have any trouble handling the more complex parts of the songs recorded by the earlier guys. They were really great drummers, they just weren't allowed to do anything creative on the records. You're right Jim, and that also explains the slick, commercial sound of Broadsword, which for the most part consisted of songs with simple 4/4 melodies, rather than the far more complex time signatures of previous albums including A. Broadsword was also the first album where the record led off with what seemed to be intended as a hit single, i.e., Beastie, and afterwards you had similar songs that were intended to get radio airplay. These intended singles were always the first song on Side 1, Lap of Luxury, Steelmonkey, Kissing Willie, This is Not Love, Roots to Branches and Spiral. Jeff
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Post by jtul07 on Aug 6, 2011 9:23:04 GMT -5
I love this album whether it is too polished or not. It rocks and the artwork is immortal. Aaaaargh! Bring me my Broadsword and clear understanding.
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Post by My God on Aug 6, 2011 9:28:54 GMT -5
I love this album whether it is too polished or not. It rocks and the artwork is immortal. Uploaded with ImageShack.usUploaded with ImageShack.us Aaaaargh! Bring me my Broadsword and clear understanding. Wow, I never saw a disc like that. It looks great! Watching me, Watching you.
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Post by tootull on Aug 6, 2011 12:23:21 GMT -5
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Post by My God on Aug 8, 2011 9:01:39 GMT -5
[/img] [/quote] My favorite 80's Tull disc is always Crest of a Knave. The great metal album. I left my farm on the freeway.
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Post by tootull on Aug 8, 2011 10:36:29 GMT -5
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Post by The Chook on Aug 13, 2011 14:20:28 GMT -5
I love Broadsword and the beast. Well it does also kinda have this "nostalgic" factor to me since it was my first Tull album. I still remember like yesterday going nuts right from the beginning of Beastie... and i know many dont like watching me watching you but i love that track. and the "bonus tracks". I have never encountered as amazing bonus tracks during my lil album buying history. and dont even get me started with the artwork. Here is a dramatization to demonstrate: well i do pay great attention to album artworks, being a lame wannabe artist myself. I may or may not actually write something wise about this album later. I should not be letted in the internet when drunk. Why there isnt anyone here to stop me, for the love of...
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Aug 13, 2011 16:58:52 GMT -5
If you replace Beastie and Pussy willow with Too many too and Jackalynn(the version without drums) then the album is great ;D
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Post by Nonfatman on Aug 13, 2011 19:55:36 GMT -5
I love Broadsword and the beast. Well it does also kinda have this "nostalgic" factor to me since it was my first Tull album. I still remember like yesterday going nuts right from the beginning of Beastie... and i know many dont like watching me watching you but i love that track. and the "bonus tracks". I have never encountered as amazing bonus tracks during my lil album buying history. and dont even get me started with the artwork. Here is a dramatization to demonstrate: well i do pay great attention to album artworks, being a lame wannabe artist myself. I may or may not actually write something wise about this album later. I should not be letted in the internet when drunk. Why there isnt anyone here to stop me, for the love of... If your posts are going to be this entertaining when you are buzzed, then we certainly won't be the ones to stop you. While The Jethro Tull Board does not endorse the imbibing of ethyl alcohol , it's much safer for you to be at home, posting funny shit here, than going out and drinking at bars, carrying on, driving, etc. Plus, as far as I know, there is no crime called PWI (Posting While Intoxicated). Those drawings are so funny, Julia, and I know just what you mean about the Broadsword album cover. It had the same effect on me when I first saw it and, for some reason, it was an exciting release. Also, the first Tull album that Tull fans buy into usually seems to have a special place in their hearts -- that is very common. And I agree with you about those bonus tracks! Jeff
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Post by jtul07 on Aug 14, 2011 8:31:56 GMT -5
P.W.I. - Posting While Intoxicated "But officer it was only a few drinks."
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Post by pichon64 on Sept 30, 2011 7:21:28 GMT -5
After reading this entertaining thread, I noticed that nobody mentions how awful was the sound quality on the first CD release of this album. I'm not at home now, but I think I have the USA release, and it seems to be mastered from a worn vynil. I'll later edit this post to include the barcode number on the CD. 'Beastie' have some clear vynil crackles, and 'Slow Marching Band' shows the typical distortion present on the last track of a side on a vynil played a lot. I paid U$S 25 a lot of years ago for that CD. Yes, CDs were a luxury in my country before Internet. Last year I found the 2005 remaster... for U$S 9 (Argentinian release). BTW, I love this album... UPDATE! My CD is the USA release, F2 21380, DIDX 002960
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Post by Nonfatman on Sept 30, 2011 8:19:09 GMT -5
After reading this entertaining thread, I noticed that nobody mentions how awful was the sound quality on the first CD release of this album. I'm not at home now, but I think I have the USA release, and it seems to be mastered from a worn vynil. I'll later edit this post to include the barcode number on the CD. 'Beastie' have some clear vynil crackles, and 'Slow Marching Band' shows the typical distortion present on the last track of a side on a vynil played a lot. I paid U$S 25 a lot of years ago for that CD. Yes, CDs were a luxury in my country before Internet. Last year I found the 2005 remaster... for U$S 9 (Argentinian release). BTW, I love this album... Welcome to The Jethro Tull Board, Gabriel! I believe you are the first Uruguayan on the board, and you join a growing contingent of South American Tull fans here, which includes members from Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Mexico (and probably a few others!) I am pleased that you have been enjoying this Broadsword thread, and looking back over it, it is an excellent discussion. We've got many, many threads like that on the Board, so I think it's fair to say you will find much to read and enjoy. Anyway, thanks for your interest and participation.....I'm sure we will be "chatting" again soon! Jeff
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Post by pichon64 on Sept 30, 2011 8:41:06 GMT -5
Thanks, Nonfatman. It's nice to be here.
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