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Post by Nonfatman on Sept 30, 2011 9:02:27 GMT -5
Thanks, Nonfatman. It's nice to be here. And it's nice to have you here. Your English is fine, by the way. Jeff
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Sept 30, 2011 19:38:23 GMT -5
Broadsword is hit and miss with the bonus tracks. Too many too is the best one I think. It has the best sound for sure. I don't really like what they did with the remastered sound on this disc. Some of the drums sound more 80s than they originally did with extra reverb, bass and high pitch. We need a remixing of this whole collection, not a remaster. The bonus songs sound better on the 20th ann. box set etc. The drums sound better at least. I hate the 2nd half of Jackalynn. Horrible 80s ;D. I really like the other version without drums though
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Post by pichon64 on Oct 7, 2011 4:43:23 GMT -5
I don't know if I can upload an audio snippet from 'Beastie' to show the vynil cracks, but right now I'm showing this graphic from the first 3 seconds, with arrows pointing the two most noticeable cracks. It's done with Soundforge. My CD is the USA release, F2 21380, DIDX 2960 (Barcode 9463-21380-2) Ok, I'll go for it: 3 seconds as shown in the graphic, mp3 (320 kbps). Please, mods, if this is not allowed, erase the link: www.megaupload.com/?d=976R72FM
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2011 15:07:05 GMT -5
At first I found the second part of Jack a Lynn (the "electric" part) a poor choice to finish the song with, but after a while I really took to it, and now it's one of my favorite parts. Really, it's the aversion to primitive 80's synths and drum beats that gives this album most of it's criticisms. I like to see the album as Anderson bringing the old folk spirit into the then-new-wave of electronic instruments, and I think he did a really good job at doing it!
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Post by Nonfatman on Nov 6, 2011 22:36:38 GMT -5
I didn't always think Broadsword was Tull's weakest album (as I do now), in fact I was quite excited when the album was released in 1982. It had been two years since A had come out, and my friend Fred and I heard an advance copy of it at the Brandeis University radio station, a story which ranks sixth on my 'Top Ten Tull Moment' list, which you can read here: thejethrotullboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tales&thread=1565&page=1#9810Fred (who I had converted into a total Tull freak) and I were contributing editors for the Brandeis weekly, The Justice, and we wrote a review of the album as soon as it was released in April 1982. I had been trying to find that issue in my parents' garage the last few times I was there, but to no avail; I found all the other issues I had saved, except for that one. Then, the other day, I saw on The Justice Facebook page that all past issues have been archived. So I found it, and here it is: It's hard to make out the print, which is a good thing considering that it's embarassingly bad in places, with a couple of ridiculous observations, but to be fair, I was only 20 at the time, about six years into my fandom at that point, so I was still learning. But our conclusion was basically accurate: "nothing musically astounding, but listenable and attractive rock." The only problem is that I now regard that same commercial assessibility as a drawback rather than an asset. Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 13:23:55 GMT -5
That's pretty cool Jeff, now we just need to get you archived on Tull Press! ;D
One song that has really grown on me, which wasn't my favorite on the album originally is "Broadsword". The more I listen to it, the more I understand what Ian and the boys were trying to accomplish with it. The more I understand it, the more I know why it didn't do so great in America.
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Post by Chea on Nov 9, 2011 8:41:19 GMT -5
I didn't always think Broadsword was Tull's weakest album (as I do now). Jeff Neither do i, at the opposite, it seems to me a very powerful Album. I really love " Broadsword and the Beast ". I also remember the tour many years ago, with Ian beginning the show entering the stage surrounded by a coloured fog, holding up very high an huge sword, under the notes of " Broadsword ". . Really great !! I also want to say hallo to pichon64, a friend from a very far land. We were talking about nice J.T covers, also. Like as I always do approaching the end of the year, I changed my avatar putting the beautiful " Christmas Album " cover. I love this Album,,too. M.
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Post by TM on Nov 9, 2011 10:58:23 GMT -5
Broadsword is hit and miss with the bonus tracks. Too many too is the best one I think. It has the best sound for sure. I don't really like what they did with the remastered sound on this disc. Some of the drums sound more 80s than they originally did with extra reverb, bass and high pitch. We need a remixing of this whole collection, not a remaster. The bonus songs sound better on the 20th ann. box set etc. The drums sound better at least. I hate the 2nd half of Jackalynn. Horrible 80s ;D. I really like the other version without drums though So then Toby you prefer the much more dryer sound of the late 70's for drums I take it? I always thought they were too muted and not live sounding...
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Post by macdaigh on Dec 19, 2011 17:41:28 GMT -5
Broadsword is the first album I ever listened to, and the one that got me hooked. I first listened to it on tape, then I bought the LP, then the CD - German print but very poor sound too. I recently converted it on my PC using Itunes and when one of the BATB song is playing, I need to crank the volume just to hear it properly... I need to buy the remastered version only to get it with a better sound. I don't really care for the bonus tracks since I think they were all released on the 20th anniversary boxset (correct me if I'm wrong). Strangely enough, I don't listen to this album much anymore, don't know why. But Itunes is playing Broadsword right now (25th ann. version) and I must say I like it.
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Post by Preston Platform on Dec 26, 2011 19:01:36 GMT -5
Broadsword has been blighted by me by memories of a poor seat at a gig . I saw the tour at Birmingham NEC and it was just so large that the band were like match sticks. Its the one and only time I have seen Tull at a huge stadium ..never again it just did not work for me...I enjoy seeing the body language , facial expressions and interaction of the players. i actually heard this concert from the NEC some years later and it wasnt bad at all ...certainly was no better or worse than anyother broadsword gig but the whole Cd remains blighted by the impression thegig had upon me
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Post by egrorian on Jan 23, 2012 18:43:49 GMT -5
My views on Broadsword and The Beast are that it is an excellent album and superior to every Tull album released afterwards, albeit not quite on a par with most of their previous work. Everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes and for me the album is consistently outstanding for the first six tracks then rather drops off. Pussy Willow is still pretty good, as is the postscript Cheerio but I've always felt Seal Driver to be rather average and unmemorable, while Watching Me Watching You is horribly repetitive and sounds completely out of place on the album (sounding more akin to the weaker tracks on Under Wraps than the rest of Broadsword to my ears).
As for the bonus tracks, on the whole I think they are a little over-rated - Jack Frost is superb and I agree with those that think Jack-A-Lynn was spoiled somewhat by "rocking out" - it would have been so much better kept as a soft ballad. The other bonus tracks are enjoyable but can see why they didn't make the cut (albeit any of them would have been a better choice than Watching Me Watching You IMHO).
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Post by Oldghost on Feb 7, 2012 23:26:04 GMT -5
Broadsword is one of those rare Tull albums I just can`t get on with, no matter how I tried and tried to catch the right mood, which perhaps would have turned me on for this album. I finaly gave up in the end. Even Under Wraps owns this one on my personal Tull chart. I don`t know....it`s just too popish and commercial to my taste. I remember how I even used to call it "a pile of trumpery", which might have been an overstatement or even an insult to some fans, but it only reflected my desperate look on this work, which essentialy might not be bad by any means, it`s just that probably wears wrong clothes. The only bright spot that maybe improves my overall impression of the whole thing is Martin`s guitar work, which might have never been better, even though I didn`t like the guitar soloing on the opening track( Beastie). It sounded to me like I was listening to Twisted Sister (so help me God). But this was only my opinion...so cheer up, all ye Broadsword lovers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 23:45:51 GMT -5
I think Ian was still trying to figure out how to get the band to work after the 1980 lineup change. A project that wouldn't really reach its peak until Crest of a Knave. Still love Broadsword though.
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