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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 16, 2012 12:49:56 GMT -5
The whole prostate exam bit during the TAAB shows, is much more clever than it appears on the surface, because it has a lyrical tie-in to Thick as a Brick. At first glance, the obvious answer is that Gerald is now 50 so he needs a prostate exam, but there's more to it than that. In the first few minutes of Side 1, you've got "see there's a son is born, and we pronounce him fit to fight." So that is the young Gerald. Toward the end you've got "see there's a man is born and we pronounce him fit for peace." So now, Gerald has become a man. The prostate gag takes place right before the "see there's a man is born" verse is performed. The music is stopped, Ian calls someone up from the audience to play doctor, and Tom the merchandise guy plays the patient. The music and lyrics then resume with "see there's a man is born, and we pronounce him fit for peace". But here's the kicker, which I did not realize until the second show. The following lines go: "There's a load lifted from his shoulders with the discovery of his disease." So the disease that is discovered is prostate cancer, which is the subject of the "examination" that was just acted on onstage! Immediately after this line is sung, you have the images of Frank Zappa, Telly Savalas, Joey Ramone, etc., all of whom died of that disease. So, the prostate exam that occurs onstage is cleverly tied into the lyrics, in a way that is not fully apparent at first glance. Jeff P.S. This post illustrates the proper way in which to use bold type, i.e., sparingly, to emphasize a point, as opposed to shouting an entire post in boldface type. Hint, hint.... ;D
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Post by Nursie Dear on Oct 16, 2012 13:01:44 GMT -5
Very cleaver! And such an important message. The thing with prostate cancer is that it is very treatable if detected early. Be a man and bend over for yourself and your family!
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Post by jtul07 on Oct 16, 2012 13:15:50 GMT -5
P.S. This post illustrates the proper way in which to use bold type, i.e., sparingly, to emphasize a point, as opposed to shouting an entire post in boldface type. Hint, hint.... ;D Excellent post Jeff. Very well done and informative. Some text is not as long and will be short and sweet. I don't mind how someone spells or uses bold text. It makes it easy to read. Rock and Roll!p.s. The Image Size Control is an excellent idea. ;D
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 16, 2012 13:54:25 GMT -5
P.S. This post illustrates the proper way in which to use bold type, i.e., sparingly, to emphasize a point, as opposed to shouting an entire post in boldface type. Hint, hint.... ;D Excellent post Jeff. Very well done and informative. Some text is not as long and will be short and sweet. I don't mind how someone spells or uses bold text. It makes it easy to read. Rock and Roll!p.s. The Image Size Control is an excellent idea. ;D Hi, Jim, Sometimes it's nice to have a longer textual post, with some interesting discussion material, rather than just endless photos, including for instance, some "stalking" photos that have been posted here recently, which I don't think Ian would appreciate, i.e., being secretly photographed exiting his car, checking out of a hotel, etc., etc. What's next, catching him take a piss? As far as the overuse of boldface type is concerned, you might not mind it, but others do. Like posting in all caps, it is considered "shouting" in terms of internet etiquette. That, and the abuse of oversized and colored type is giving the board a circus appearance. These features are nice to use occasionally, but become irritating to see when they are employed constantly. Don't be surprised if there are some changes made around here very soon, including placing some limitations on certain posting features that are being abused. Jeff
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Post by jtul07 on Oct 16, 2012 14:16:02 GMT -5
Hi, Jim, Sometimes it's nice to have a longer textual post, with some interesting discussion material, rather than just endless photos, including for instance, some "stalking" photos that have been posted here recently, which I don't think Ian would appreciate, i.e., being secretly photographed exiting his car, checking out of a hotel, etc., etc. What's next, catching him take a piss?
Don't be surprised if there are some changes made around here very soon, including placing some limitations on certain posting features that are being abused. Jeff First of all Jeff, Ian exiting his car and in a Hotel are all public places. There was nothing secret about it. I did not take those images but they were probably nothing unusual for a public figure. He was not taking a piss or going topless (Kate Middleton). If this was inappropriate I suppose he would never be seen in public. There seems to be a fine line between abuse and enthusiasm for some. If others show videos from you tube that are unrelated to Tull is that abuse? If someone asks a question which others would not or says things that others disagree with, is that abuse? Sharing photos is a wonderful way to enhance a thread. Is that Abuse? Is this the Jethro Tull Board or is that abuse? Or censorship? Jim p.s. Is Tull-o-ween 2012 an abuse? Or the Obama thread? Or the Romney thread? Or the NFL thread? Is having 1,149 members too many?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 14:51:59 GMT -5
The whole prostate exam bit during the TAAB shows, is much more clever than it appears on the surface, because it has a lyrical tie-in to Thick as a Brick. At first glance, the obvious answer is that Gerald is now 50 so he needs a prostate exam, but there's more to it than that. In the first few minutes of Side 1, you've got "see there's a son is born, and we pronounce him fit to fight." So that is the young Gerald. Toward the end you've got "see there's a man is born and we pronounce him fit for peace." So now, Gerald has become a man. The prostate gag takes place right before the "see there's a man is born" verse is performed. The music is stopped, Ian calls someone up from the audience to play doctor, and Tom the merchandise guy plays the patient. The music and lyrics then resume with "see there's a man is born, and we pronounce him fit for peace". But here's the kicker, which I did not realize until the second show. The following lines go: "There's a load lifted from his shoulders with the discovery of his disease." So the disease that is discovered is prostate cancer, which is the subject of the "examination" that was just acted on onstage! Immediately after this line is sung, you have the images of Frank Zappa, Telly Savalas, Joey Ramone, etc., all of whom died of that disease. So, the prostate exam that occurs onstage is cleverly tied into the lyrics, in a way that is not fully apparent at first glance. Jeff P.S. This post illustrates the proper way in which to use bold type, i.e., sparingly, to emphasize a point, as opposed to shouting an entire post in boldface type. Hint, hint.... ;D Nice post Jeff Thats a very interesting perception. I had always considered the line "There's a load lifted from his shoulders with the discovery of his disease" a aside to a psychological struggle Gerald was having with the father "figure" as tho maybe it was his imagined problem rather than a real "battle" with his father. The majority of side 1 seems to deal with that struggle between a father/authoritarin figure and the emerging son. I just figured he grew up and discovered that he was imagining the whole thing. But as in all things it's possible that I imagined the whole thing. LOL We just didnt have the visual clues before. Darin
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 16, 2012 14:54:44 GMT -5
Hi, Jim, Sometimes it's nice to have a longer textual post, with some interesting discussion material, rather than just endless photos, including for instance, some "stalking" photos that have been posted here recently, which I don't think Ian would appreciate, i.e., being secretly photographed exiting his car, checking out of a hotel, etc., etc. What's next, catching him take a piss?
Don't be surprised if there are some changes made around here very soon, including placing some limitations on certain posting features that are being abused. Jeff First of all Jeff, Ian exiting his car and in a Hotel are all public places. There was nothing secret about it. I did not take those images but they were probably nothing unusual for a public figure. He was not taking a piss or going topless (Kate Middleton). If this was inappropriate I suppose he would never be seen in public. There seems to be a fine line between abuse and enthusiasm for some. If others show videos from you tube that are unrelated to Tull is that abuse? If someone asks a question which others would not or says things that others disagree with, is that abuse? Sharing photos is a wonderful way to enhance a thread. Is that Abuse? Is this the Jethro Tull Board or is that abuse? Or censorship? Jim p.s. Is Tull-o-ween 2012 an abuse? Or the Obama thread? Or the Romney thread? Or the NFL thread? We do not practice censorship. Everyone knows we are opposed to that in all forms. I was not talking about the content of any threads, such as Obama, Romney,Tulloween or any other topics. I did not say anything about that. However, personally I do feel that you are overdoing it with the Tulloween. It's annoying already. What I was talking about before was the constant abuse of oversized, colored and boldface type, and the incessant stream of endless photos, including creepy stalking photos of Ian, at the expense of discussion and conversation, which is what this board used to be about. Right now, thanks to your antics, the board has taken on a circus appearance. Any discussion threads are getting totally drowned out and buried by your constant photos, your gigantic colored type and your attempts to hijack the board with your voluminous, and at times, obnoxious posts. It's just too much already. This is The Jethro Tull Board, not The Jim Board. You are not being considerate of others. Plus, your attempts to ruffle feathers here, and to try to get a rise out of people, have been noticed by many. I am beginning to think you are a troublemaker. As for the "stalking" photos taken of Ian, if you and "Metta" feel that they are okay then that's fine. But I thought they were weird, and I have a feeling that Ian would feel the same way. Jeff
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Post by jtul07 on Oct 16, 2012 15:13:32 GMT -5
This is not the Jim Board. I agree totally with that. The photos from historic Tull concerts with or without Martin are something to enjoy. I have copied most from google images around the world on this Tour. Each one is special, as well as the Tullianos and Itullian conventions. The nice thing about having so much to choose from is diversity. I don't speak Spanish or Italian, but I can still learn. The features that you describe as abusive, were created before I ever joined. Since then we have almost doubled in membership. I don't see anything wrong at all. The reviews from each concert have been wonderful. I love knowing about each show. If some were depressed and unobjective, I don't mind them either. If Ian Anderson was not a public figure, he would not be noticed anywhere. If my interpretation of Tull is too Liberal, then so what? If creativity is frowned upon, then who decides? The Martin Barre Fan Club?
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 16, 2012 15:48:27 GMT -5
This is not the Jim Board.I agree totally with that. The photos from historic Tull concerts with or without Martin are something to enjoy. I have copied most from google images around the world on his Tour. Each one is special, as well as the Tullianos and Itullian conventions. The nice thing about having so much to choose from is diversity. I don't speak Spanish or Italian, but I can stll learn. The features that you describe as abusive, were created before I ever joined. Since then we have almost doubled in membership. I don't see anything wrong at all. The reviews from each concert have been wonderful. I love knowing about each show. If some were depressed and unobjective, I don't mind them either. If Ian Anderson was not a public figure, he would not be noticed anywhere. If my interpretation of Tull is too Liberal, then so what? If creativity is frowned upon, then who decides? The Martin Barre Fan Club? Jim, the thing is that you are welcome to say anything here, and state your opinions, engage in debates (in a civil manner), post photos, etc., but it is a matter of degree. Is it really healthy to be logged in virtually 24/7, writing ten, twelve posts a day? Isn't that a little excessive? The fact is that I have always liked you, and want you to be a member here. I have said that I would like to meet you at a show sometime and hang out with you, and I mean that. I actually think that you're a good guy, that's what makes some of your recent posts all the more upsetting to me. I've noticed over the past several months that your posting style has changed, and I am not sure why. You have been ruffling a lot of feathers, and I just don't know why. The most recent example is when you responded to my P.S. above, when I just made a little jokey suggestion about boldface type, you had to shoot back and take a swipe at me with your "some text will be not as long, and short and sweet" remark. I feel lately the board has been overwhelmed with a lot of extraneous stuff, and way too much of the giant colored and boldface type, and things of that nature. All that "rah, rah, Ian" stuff is drowning everything else out. We are getting away from having serious and thoughtful conversations and discussions including, for instance, the lyrics and meanings of Tull songs. The other thing is that, we've always liked to have a broad range of opinions and critical analysis of the band, the music, the lyrics, and this would include, at times, criticism of Ian. You are free to be a cheerleader for everything Ian does, that's something you can do here, but please understand that not everyone agrees with that, and you have to be respectful of the feelings of others, and not constantly seeking to impose your point of view that this is the New Tull, that Florian is the new and improved Tull guitarist, that Martin is out of the band, that this is the greatest "Tull" lineup, etc., etc. You can certainly express that expansive Tull interpretation, you have the right to your opinion, but why do you always repeat it so many times, and in so many ways, as if you want to impose that opinion on everyone else? Personally, while I love the music and lyrics every bit as much as you do, I have some conflicting feelings about some of the things Ian has said and done over the years, just as he has conflicting feelings about his audience. I actually think that is a very intersesting topic to discuss, i.e., the artist-fan relationship, something that can and should be explored. In my opinion it is certainly okay to have conflicting thoughts and opinions about an artist and to criticize him when he says stupid stuff and acts like an ass. That is only natural, I think, when we have all followed Tull for so many years. Jeff
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Post by TM on Oct 16, 2012 15:56:54 GMT -5
This is not the Jim Board.I agree totally with that. The photos from historic Tull concerts with or without Martin are something to enjoy. I have copied most from google images around the world on this Tour. Each one is special, as well as the Tullianos and Itullian conventions. The nice thing about having so much to choose from is diversity. I don't speak Spanish or Italian, but I can stll learn. The features that you describe as abusive, were created before I ever joined. Since then we have almost doubled in membership. I don't see anything wrong at all. The reviews from each concert have been wonderful. I love knowing about each show. If some were depressed and unobjective, I don't mind them either. If Ian Anderson was not a public figure, he would not be noticed anywhere. If my interpretation of Tull is too Liberal, then so what? If creativity is frowned upon, then who decides? The Martin Barre Fan Club? Jim, I have grown tired of your snide comments about Tull members and our members, and will no longer tolerate this contemptuous behavior coming from you. You have been asked nicely in the past to use proper etiquette when posting. If you choose not to, you may find your posting privileges suspended and then ultimately revoked. It's your choice Jim, and we'll be okay with whatever you decide to do. Paul
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Post by jtul07 on Oct 16, 2012 16:33:06 GMT -5
The negativity towards Florian is what has changed. We all have favorite members over the years. I have a new favorite. The show in Asheville was a highlight of the 25 shows I had been to. Everyone there was enjoying it the same. I took many more pics than I have posted here. The ones from a dear lady named Metta, were not creepy. They were in a public place with security every where. She is no more a stalker than you are.
The change began when the new album was released in April. I have heard great Tull music most of my life and this is incredible stuff. To be depressed and unhappy during this tour, to me is unfathomable. Maybe you would prefer no tour until Martin is back. I leave that to Ian Anderson to decide.
Normally I am online because I choose to be. It is easier to be logged in once a day and log out later. Many days I have much more to do than this, however I stay logged in. Sorry, I did not go to computer etiquette class in High School.
The members who have joined recently are free to say anything they wish. To criticize their methods of posting is not necessary. We all learn gradually. Large Images can and should be controlled. But to set an arbitrary limit is up to the individual. Many days there is very little posted. I usually add most things then.
What I enjoy most is others posting their images and stories. Please do and I will be happy. ;D The Political stuff is the only area I have tried to avoid until after the Election. I want our international members to not be turned off by that. So instead I have focused on other topics.
Tull-o-ween is for those with imagination and creativity. I'm sorry it annoys you.
If promotional posters from this tour are unwelcome, then why post anything? These are historic images that should be preserved here. If that is 'Raah Raah Ian', then why be against it? You should at least allow it here of all places.
I hope this is an open Forum and I will not be singled out for having fun. If that is the case there are many other places to have fun. I'll have no problem finding them.
When I posted on the other Forum by accident, I said "The Jethro Tull Board Rules!". That was what I meant then. I hope it does not change now. Jim
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Post by Cody on Oct 16, 2012 18:07:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty new here, so I dont want to get in the middle of anyone but..... I want to thank Non-Fatman for at least asking for some of this to slow down a little bit. Not knowing how to get around all that well, I gotten lost a couple of times when trying to find the thread I posted on, I know thats my problem, and I'll learn but I feel like a VW on a highway with nothing but 18 wheelers. I can say for myself, coming from one of the other JT posting sites, where everyone is pretty friendly, this is a big leap (The JTB is big time) and though everyone I've met is pretty friendly there are some that dominate. Repeating and repeating huge picture posts that most of the time dont have anything to do with Tull, and I dont want to ruffle any feathers but Ians "new" guitarist is good but I'll take Martin Barre the guitarist for Tull anytime. So if that marks me for death by some bozo than I guess I have a target on me now. I know 2 other people, Tullies, that dont care for this site, and wont move over from the other because of some of the posts and silly stuff. Just seems like a closed club to them, I've made some good contacts right off the bat, so I'll keep telling them. So I hope I dont get hit by falling pianos or something, just saying, dont mean anyone any harm, I'm pretty easygoing... Im really looking forward to seeing this show Thanks Jack
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 16, 2012 18:28:49 GMT -5
The negativity towards Florian is what has changed. We all have favorite members over the years. I have a new favorite. The show in Asheville was a highlight of the 25 shows I had been to. Everyone there was enjoying it the same. I took many more pics than I have posted here. The ones from a dear lady named Metta, were not creepy. They were in a public place with security every where. She is no more a stalker than you are. The change began when the new album was released in April. I have heard great Tull music most of my life and this is incredible stuff. To be depressed and unhappy during this tour, to me is unfathomable. Maybe you would prefer no tour until Martin is back. I leave that to Ian Anderson to decide. Normally I am online because I choose to be. It is easier to be logged in once a day and log out later. Many days I have much more to do than this, however I stay logged in. Sorry, I did not go to computer etiquette class in High School. The members who have joined recently are free to say anything they wish. To criticize their methods of posting is not necessary. We all learn gradually. Large Images can and should be controlled. But to set an arbitrary limit is up to the individual. Many days there is very little posted. I usually add most things then. What I enjoy most is others posting their images and stories. Please do and I will be happy. ;D The Political stuff is the only area I have tried to avoid until after the Election. I want our international members to not be turned off by that. So instead I have focused on other topics. Tull-o-ween is for those with imagination and creativity. I'm sorry it annoys you. If promotional posters from this tour are unwelcome, then why post anything? These are historic images that should be preserved here. If that is 'Raah Raah Ian', then why be against it? You should at least allow it here of all places. I hope this is an open Forum and I will not be singled out for having fun. If that is the case there are many other places to have fun. I'll have no problem finding them. When I posted on the other Forum by accident, I said "The Jethro Tull Board Rules!". That was what I meant then. I hope it does not change now. Jim So what you are saying is that you did not like any criticism of Florian, you did not like it when people compared him unfavorably with Martin, you did not like it when some people didn't share your love of the new album, and therefore you have carte blanche to start attacking people, calling them "simple-minded", posting in huge color typeface to forcefully impose your opinion on the captive audience that you have here on the board. It is you who have been intolerant of other's opinion. It is you who have practiced censorship, not us. I can recall, the video from Spain, when Ian attacked the audience member for merely talking, even though no hooting or hollering was heard on the tape, and even when our friend Janu said several times that he was sitting nearby and that the fan did not do anything to justify Ian's vile and abusiive verbal attack, you defended Ian to the hilt, and you actually called me and others here simple-minded for criticizing Ian's behavior. You kept insisting that the fan must have done something wrong, even though Janu kept saying no, that was not the case, the fan did not do anything wrong. But no matter how many times Janu repeated that the Spanish audience was respectful, and that the fan didn't do anything wrong, you refused to believe Janu, and kept on defending Ian, as if, in your eyes, he is some kind of infallible being. Then there was the whole incident with Dee. You had written to Dee, asking about the alleged plagiarism involving Heavy Horses, and Dee responded, but after answering the question, she said "enough said? Next". I commended you because I had not heard the story before, and was glad you posted it. One of our other members commented that, judging by Dee's terse "enough said, next" remark that he was "sure" that Dee was tired of having to answer the question. The member's comment was not made to criticize you, only to point out that Dee was probably sick of answering it after all these years, which was a valid observation in view of the way Dee concluded her answer. So what did you do? You went apeshit, attacking him for no reason. Then you've also attacked me several times, for stating my opinion about the meaning of some of Ian's lyrics, which you disagreed with, and today, with your sarcastic, snide "some posts are not as long, and are short and sweet" remark, after I merely made a little jokey suggestion about boldface type. That's what we have tried to do, post gentle guidelines or make light-hearted suggestions as to posting etiquette, rather than to promulgate a formal set of Forum Rules, as other Tull discussion sites have done. I said I felt that the lyrics to Brick 2 are depressing to me, and you are still attacking me for it, as you did above in this very post, with your "to be depressed and unhappy" remark. Guess what, people are entitled to be depressed and unhappy about the lyrics to an album, or about a singer's capacity, or lack thereof, to sing, or about anything they want. That's their perogative, that's why we have a free and open forum, to share and discuss diverging opinions. Your problem is that you do not respect anyone else's opinions. Instead, you attack the person and trash their opinion. Insofar as the stalking photos are concerned, my bet is that if we were to poll our members, probably everyone here would agree that it is creepy and weird to be following Ian, stalkijng him and secretly photographing him as he was getting out of his car, as he was walking toward the venue, as he was checking into the hotel, etc. That is weird. Maybe not to you, but to pretty much everyone else. Ian values his privacy. If he knew that a fan was stalking him, photographing him as he goes about his business, he would be seriously freaked out, and probably would call the police. Photographing him onstage is one thing. Photographing his every public movement is quite another. It's weird, man, weird. As for alleged censorship, we have never censored anything you've posted. Not a word. You are free to post Tull-o-ween photos to your hearts content, and you have done so now for two straight Octobers. I merely stated that personally, I find it a little much. It's overwhelming the board. That's my opinion. I do not particulary care for the pagan holiday of Halloween, I don't really like it, but I guess you really love it. You are free to post in complete freedom and you have freely done so without anyone ever cutting or editing a single word of any of your thousands of posts. The only thing is, Paul and I politely asked you to please refrain from constantly using giant font size, and please do not post entire posts in boldface or colored type. The reason for that is because, as we have explained several times, the constant huge-ass colored font gives the board a sort of clownish feel, like it's a three ring circus, when what we are trying to do is to have a serious, yet at the same time fun, discussion site. You told Paul that you would respect his wishes, but you have not been a man of your word, because you continue with all the tremendously huge posts, using every color under the sun, and have refused to stop with the all-bold posts. Those features (color, bold, large font size) are available for occasional use, but to abuse these features makes the board look like a joke. You have pissed off a lot of people here, pal, including Charlie, Paul, Darin, Tulltapes and others. I'm not sure what your deal is, whether you are schemeing against us or intentionally trying to sabotage us, but we cannot allow you to overtake and hijack this board. As far as your threat to find other places to "have fun", it is not my wish or hope that you leave here. I want you to stay. This is by far the best Tull discussion site on the face of the earth, but we are trying to make sure that it does not become a soap box for a single fanatical, Ian-worshipping member who tolerates no opposing viewpoints and wants to dominate and in a sense, take over, The Jethro Tull Board. We cannot and will not allow that to happen. Jeff
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Post by TM on Oct 16, 2012 18:48:50 GMT -5
Negativity? I believe you are mistaking the affection Tull fans feel for Martin as negativity toward Florian. I don't see the purpose in posting candid photos of a celebrity unless you work for a tabloid. This sounds like unhealthy behavior. We are all entitled to our own opinions. Jim, we have had discussions about this previously. I don't appreciate your insincerity. The guidelines are set and we hope you are able to have fun while respecting them. If not, it would be best for you to take your act elsewhere and we all can remain friends. There's no purpose in having a contentious relationship on a message board. We'll still rule Jim, that wont be changing.
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 16, 2012 18:55:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty new here, so I dont want to get in the middle of anyone but..... I want to thank Non-Fatman for at least asking for some of this to slow down a little bit. Not knowing how to get around all that well, I gotten lost a couple of times when trying to find the thread I posted on, I know thats my problem, and I'll learn but I feel like a VW on a highway with nothing but 18 wheelers. I can say for myself, coming from one of the other JT posting sites, where everyone is pretty friendly, this is a big leap (The JTB is big time) and though everyone I've met is pretty friendly there are some that dominate. Repeating and repeating huge picture posts that most of the time dont have anything to do with Tull, and I dont want to ruffle any feathers but Ians "new" guitarist is good but I'll take Martin Barre the guitarist for Tull anytime. So if that marks me for death by some bozo than I guess I have a target on me now. I know 2 other people, Tullies, that dont care for this site, and wont move over from the other because of some of the posts and silly stuff. Just seems like a closed club to them, I've made some good contacts right off the bat, so I'll keep telling them. So I hope I dont get hit by falling pianos or something, just saying, dont mean anyone any harm, I'm pretty easygoing... Im really looking forward to seeing this show Thanks Jack Thank you, Jack, that's exactly what I have been talking about. We have been worried that the posting shenanigans of the member in question has been discouraging other people from posting, because they cannot follow a discussion thread in the sea of posts by this particular member. I didn't realize that there also were people who have been discouraged from even joining The Board because of all the silly non-Tull related posts, but I would very much appreciate if you would ask your friends to give us a chance! We have asked the member to please self-moderate his excessive posting style, because we do not like to impose or enforce rules here. You probably have noticed that he has had total and complete freedom to post anything and everything that he wants. That's because we do not practice censorship, and have a very hands-off approach. Instead, we have politely suggested and asked that the member please refrain from the huge, clown-like colored type, the endless Halloween photos that have nothing to do with Tull, because all of that makes the Board look like a circus, and is not conducive to thoughtful posting or ongoing discussions. So far the member has refused to heed our polite request. He said that he would, but has not been true to his word. We are all hoping that he sees our point soon! BTW, I saw that you are going to the Long Beach show and plan meet up with Darin Cody from the Board. We hope you guys have a great time! I can assure you that it is unlike any Ian or Tull show you have seen in quite a long time, mainly because it is so different.....not the same old tired setlist of the past ten or so years. Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 19:26:21 GMT -5
With a membership in well over 1000 members we will always have different views , perspectives, ideas and thoughts. What we all share is the music of Jethro Tull and Ian Anderson, The Ian Anderson Band and all past members of Jethro Tull.
It is a shame that not all members on the board can disagree without launching into an attack mode. We all have our likes and dislikes about Jethro Tull or Ian, and his band. But we should be able to do it in a way that does not wind up members. We are adults and should be able to conduct ourselves as such,
Jack again welcome aboard, I have not seen you for some time but you have brought up some excellent points. As we continue to grow as Jethro Tull community we have to be mindful of others. Who for what ever reason see some of this and get turned off, we can not allow this to happen.
With all of the bold font , large size fonts, multi color fonts dominating more and more post it gives a feel that might turn off more and more potential members. I have been guilty of this in the past, but I do see the need to be very conservative with them in the future.
There has never been any censorship on this board. I think that for the most part we should all be able to respect each others views and opinions, even when we do not agree with them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 19:44:43 GMT -5
I think if Ian was aware that you where taking the picture than that is fine. Ian in interviews I have heard in the 70's and 80's always said he liked to go in and out place unnoticed. Maybe with age he has mellowed a bit. I also remember around the Lennon assassination he said he did not like his fans following him around. He felt a lot of times like he was being stalked. I will have to find the interview.
As far as meeting Ian I have met him a few times and one time he was very nice and the other he was in a mood shall we say. That is his prerogative and I am fine that.
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 16, 2012 19:53:59 GMT -5
Gee folks, I am so sorry if I have offended any one. I will definitely back off and try to observe the correct way to be a Tull fan. I have loved this group from the beginning until now, in all incarnations. I certainly appreciate the opinions of all board members and would never consider personally attacking anyone for how they feel. So I will carry-on a bit more quietly than before. P.S. I do wear glasses, the bold print is easier for me to read and in my day it was considered shouting if you used capital letters. I have not not kept up with the times I guess. I learn something everyday! I will remove the photo's of Ian but I will add that he was aware both times that the pictures were being taken and I spoke to him in the hotel. I was checking out too and he was very nice to me. What we are going to do is have two font sizes, regular and a little larger for people who wear glasses. That should address your concern. Boldface can be used, but really is intended for emphasis only. An all-bold post, similar to an all-caps post, is like the person shouting or insisting on his or her own viewpoint. The photos you posted certainly did not look like Ian was aware he was being photographed. They look like they were taken surreptitiously. Ian was not posing for them and does not appear to know that he was being photographed. Important members of the band do visit this site, including, we believe, Ian himself. I do not think he would take kindly to those kinds of photos, which appear as if they were taken by someone who was stalking him. He also does not like being worshipped or put on a pedestal. He has said that he is very uncomfortable with that. I believe Ian would probably think much less of our site if he saw pictures like those posted here. In fact, I recall that Jim make a joke about how you were going "Tull-stalking" that afternoon. Celebrities do not like being stalked. Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 4:32:08 GMT -5
I don't mind how someone spells or uses bold text. It makes it easy to read. Rock and Roll!p.s. The Image Size Control is an excellent idea. ;D Jim, bold type isn't alwasy easy to read, it's dependent of font style, as someone with visual impairment [partially restored] bold type is sometimes much more difficult to read, as is certain coloured text
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 4:59:40 GMT -5
Now had a chance to read this thread fully, I couldn't face it after being stuck in a traffic jam yesterday for about 3.5 hours.
But I'll add my tu'pennorth worth now.
This board does not practice censorship.
To clarify, there have been instances when people have been asked, politely, to self-regulate their posts, posting styles and in one or two rare instances their opinions. When that hasn't happened then action has been taken, but it is rare.
I am not aware of anyone accessing another person's posts to edit or modify it other than to add a hyperlink, youtube or picture link. Deletion has only occured when it is clearly seen to be spam.
We don't hide issues like this and bury them in some thread that no-one can see, making glib replies that no-one can respond to. It forms part of the openess of the board.
We have always welcomed diversity in a bigger way than any other chat forum that I am aware of.
We are simply asking for some balance so that Tull related topics don't get lost in the numerous posts that are made here, we have some good Q&A's going and several other on-topic discussion threads that sink under the weight of oversized typeface and enormous images. Let's resurrect those and have some Tull conversations on the go as well as the humour and fun.
We support other groups such as Tulliano's and Itullians, we have assisted and promoted other's sites such as 'Rhythmn in Gold', we want to encourage and celebrate Tull.
If you know of anyone who has been put off of us by mis-information in the past then ask them to drop by again.
And, as for the number of contributors here, I have to say I'm proud that this board isn't just a 5-way closed discussion group between Paul, Jeff, Charlie, Preston and me, in fact you probably find that we are among the most infrequent of the regular posters here and that this is a Member's board and not an overly restricted moderators talking shop. We have adopted this from the start, not as some gate-crasher.
This is an open group, feel free to post, but just apply a bit of balance before we go off kilter, that is all that is being asked, it's not censorship.
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Post by TM on Oct 17, 2012 9:24:46 GMT -5
I'm pretty new here, so I dont want to get in the middle of anyone but..... I want to thank Non-Fatman for at least asking for some of this to slow down a little bit. Not knowing how to get around all that well, I gotten lost a couple of times when trying to find the thread I posted on, I know thats my problem, and I'll learn but I feel like a VW on a highway with nothing but 18 wheelers. I can say for myself, coming from one of the other JT posting sites, where everyone is pretty friendly, this is a big leap (The JTB is big time) and though everyone I've met is pretty friendly there are some that dominate. Repeating and repeating huge picture posts that most of the time dont have anything to do with Tull, and I dont want to ruffle any feathers but Ians "new" guitarist is good but I'll take Martin Barre the guitarist for Tull anytime. So if that marks me for death by some bozo than I guess I have a target on me now. I know 2 other people, Tullies, that dont care for this site, and wont move over from the other because of some of the posts and silly stuff. Just seems like a closed club to them, I've made some good contacts right off the bat, so I'll keep telling them. So I hope I dont get hit by falling pianos or something, just saying, dont mean anyone any harm, I'm pretty easygoing... Im really looking forward to seeing this show Thanks Jack Hi Jack,
Thanks for voicing your opinion on this matter. It's important that people realize that posting style does have an effect on other perceptions.
TJTB has always been and will remain a place where members can express their opinions without personal attacks.
We are all friends, and respect is the key. Those who choose a different path will find themselves on the outside.
But anyway, here's an article from Long Beach. Enjoy the show!
PaulIan Anderson: Chance Interventions It is nearly impossible to tease out the influence that Ian Anderson has had on Western culture. As front man and principal songwriter for the legendary band Jethro Tull, his clever lyrics, percussive flute playing, rich voice and distinctive visage fused folk and rock into an engaging sound that was instantly popular and remains immediately identifiable even 40 years later. Early this year, Anderson released Thick As A Brick 2, a follow-up to the similarly titled album that was released in 1972. Shortly after the album hit the shelves, he launched a tour where he has been performing the entirety of both albums in concert halls around the world. The U.S. leg hits the Long Beach Terrace Theater on Saturday, October 20th. I had a chance to speak with him just before the tour started. Although Anderson toured in support of the original release, back in 1972, he decided to remove it from the touring repertoire shortly thereafter. "I decided that I really didn’t want to go back and do all the figures in Brick ever again because, in some countries, it was a bit of a rough ride. It being acoustic, it quite depended on an audience's sensitivity to listen to it, and not shout out and whistle and hoot and holler. Unfortunately, that did happen in some places, so it became very frustrating. "These days, I don’t anticipate that problem, partly because people have largely learned to be better behaved and to treat musical concerts as what they obviously are. They’re not sports events, and not a heavy-metal thrash. It’s a musical concert. I think people understand that. "One of the reasons I do a lot of shows as Ian Anderson rather than simply calling it Jethro Tull is because it does tend to keep the riff-raff at home. And that’s understandable, I suppose, because for some of the beer drinking buddies, what they know of Jethro Tull is probably from the few tracks they've heard on classic rock radio alongside Lynyrd Skynyrd or Deep Purple. So they probably have this idea that we’re simply a rock band, and that’s the nature of the whole show. "But, of course, we are not. We are a very eclectic group with a lot of acoustic music in our repertoire from over the years. It’s easier for me when the handful of beer drinking buddies decide to stay home, or go watch a basketball match, or whatever they do. They've come out in the last ten years only once, that I can remember, in the USA, when I’ve been doing Ian Anderson shows. "If I’m going to play the Beacon Theatre and hear a pin drop, I’ve confidence in saying the culture has changed, become more educated, and above all, more respectful. Not just to the artist, but respectful to the other members of the audience. They understand it’s really not nice to interrupt other people’s enjoyment. And I have really felt a major change in all of that. "When I use my name, I guess the beer drinking buddies don’t know who I am, so maybe that’s what keeps them away. But I know who they are. Not only do I have their cell phone numbers and their addresses, I know where their mother lives." With a melody here and a word or phrase there, Anderson has cleverly woven small references to his past big hits into TAAB2. "For some great composers, as well as movie directors and novel writers and play writers, it’s one of the tools of your trade - to occasionally make these little cross-references with other work. It is fun to do, but I think it’s artistically satisfying, I hope, for the audience, as well. They get that little link, that little point of reference. If you do it in a subtle way, some people get it and some people don’t. "For instance, in the lyrics I mention the word locomotive. I mention the words ‘a passion play.’ There are a few more subtle references. There’s a line of Aqualung that crops up in a piece of music, which is in 6/4 time and not in a way that most people would recognize the riff. But it’s in there. Beethoven did it a lot in his symphonies; lots of little throw-backs and references to earlier work, and I really like that." Anderson does not see TAAB2 as a sequel to the original album of the same name. Instead, he used Gerald Bostock, a character developed for the fictional back-story of the original, as a tool to explore various aspects of modern culture and society. "I’m using the convenient idea that together we explore what happens to Gerald Bostock, the eight year old boy that grew up, in a way that is a metaphor for all of our lives. We face all these little points, decision making and reacting to chance intervention. Things could turn out very differently according to our reaction to those things, and our ability to make good choices, good decisions. "I’m one of those people who, I suppose, made largely the right choices. I can think of only one thing that was a pretty dumb move. I honestly feel I didn't make a lot of bad choices. Other people, on the other hand, are maybe not so fortunate, and look back and say, 'My God, I really messed up my life by doing that particular thing.' And I can think of a couple of people who, I’m very sure, would feel that way. I know because I was Best Man at both of their weddings. [laughs]" Anderson is known as a concerned and active environmentalist, due in part to his purchasing undeveloped lands and keeping them undeveloped, but he's dismissive of accolades he's received. "If I really wanted to help the environment, I would just stay at home. I would just Skype people and never go anywhere near them, because when I jump on an airplane, my carbon footprint is not a pretty sight. "One of my flutes just traveled 100 million kilometers in orbit for 5 months on the International Space Station, and I know how much it costs in rocket fuel to get it up there. I’m very selfish. It was a rather arrogant thing to do. I can only say that, maybe, the upside of it is the size of the flute, and its presence in the world - and out of it. Maybe it will encourage some young people to take up that instrument, or any other instrument. There are some positive spin-offs from sending it spinning around the earth, but I’m not sure that they quite compensate for the extra tons of rocket fuel to take half a kilo up into space and bring it back again." This rather bizarre turn of events began when a radio personality in Houston discovered that Colonel Catherine Coleman, preparing for her third trip to space, played the flute, and was willing to take Anderson's up with her. "I thought, 'Well, that’s a nice idea.' Colonel Coleman is also a fan of the Chieftains, so she took Matt Molloy’s Irish flute into space, as well. I’m not saying she smuggled them onto a cargo rocket, but I’m not entirely sure it was official cargo, if you know what I mean. "We played on the 50th anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's first manned space flight, the 50th anniversary being last year in March. I was playing in Russia, not far away from where they built the rockets. I played live on stage and a video screen came down half way through the show and onto the video screen, beamed from the space station, came Catherine Coleman, upside-down, weightless, touching my flute. We played a little duet. She made a little speech in Russian and everyone loved it, and then we all went home. Except, she didn't. She had another three months to spend up there before she could go home." The new album was released as a standard CD, and in a Special Edition package that also includes a DVD with a surround sound mix and many short video segments. In one of them, Anderson mentions some of the possible 'lives' he didn't include for Gerald Bostock, including his becoming an astronaut. "The reason I didn't explore that is primarily because, by then, I already had some first-hand experience of astronauts. If I’d have been writing, I’d have been drawing upon the knowledge of one or two people, and I don’t work that way. I don’t like to betray the confidence of a relationship to make entertainment. It’s something that, from an ethical standpoint, I will not do. So, if I do ever write about people, it’s in a very carefully – not disguised – but it’s just pretty vague and pretty general. "I would hate anyone to say, 'Ah, that song is about so-and-so.' Or, 'That song is about me,' because that’s just something I’ve always stayed away from. And I always will. I mean, if I write a song about being an astronaut everybody’d going to say, 'Oh, you’ve written that song about Catherine Coleman or Paolo Nespoli,' one of the other two astronauts I’ve become friendly with over the last year or two. "Also, it would be hard for me to not use what I know about them, to not draw upon some personality character. A couple of times, particularly with Catherine Coleman, I’ve spoken to her, and Paolo Nespoli, the Italian astronaut, who told me some of their fears, some of their frustrations, some of their sadness’s, things that---it would be really wrong of me to betray them in a song. But it’s such good material that it would be hard to write anything and not to use the stuff that I know. But I just can’t do that. It would be wrong to do that." One of the songs on the album connects directly to a rather grim reality. "Wootton Bassett is a town in the southwest of England, near a military airfield, through which passed the cortege of coffins and police and various military services in the repatriation of dead soldiers, most recently from Afghanistan. It became quite a public symbol of respect and sorrow for fallen soldiers, male and female, in a way that’s captured the nation’s heart. "This little market town, and its inhabitants, suddenly became the focus of seeing the reality of the effects of mainly roadside bombs. In some cases it was the actual munitions experts who were sent to defuse bombs who lost their lives. "They decided, a few months ago, to close down that military airfield so now the dead soldiers come to a different part of the country, to a different airfield, and they don’t actually have to go through a small town at all on their way to disperse the coffins to the families of the deceased. "Wootton Bassett just remains a little bit of British history. It’s now called Royal Wootton Bassett, I suppose, in memory of the fact that the town people, the inhabitants and visitors, paid such huge emotional support to the families and friends of the deceased; the fallen, as they are often referred to. "But it’s kind of poignant for me to include that song because, if you remember, in 1972 [the U.S. Government was] just beginning to draw a line under the Vietnam War. American troops were sent to, essentially, evacuate. And here we are, forty years down the line, and looking at the very same scenario in Afghanistan with little more chance of success than was the outcome in Vietnam, because once the Americans were out of there, the North Vietnamese swooped on down and took everything over, and it’s now the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Sadly, the Taliban is waiting in the wings, in the hills and valleys, just ready to ride back into Kabul and business as usual. We’re looking at a bit of a sad repeat of the same example of the futility of war. "If I was President Bush back then, if I was Tony Blair back then, what would I have done? I’m not sure. I think we probably would’ve said, 'Let’s give it a go. Let’s see if we can succeed where the Russians failed. Let’s give it a try, see if we can democratize and bring respect and dignity to the women and the professionals of Afghanistan, and try and change the outcome of that fearful, tribal, feudal, male dominated society.' It’s almost certain that it is not going to work out. It’s a sad reflection on the futility of war. Some wars achieve results. Some, unfortunately, don’t." Anderson confessed that he enjoys his visits to the United States. "My wife always comes with me to America, and we drive rather than fly, when possible. One of the things that I’ve actually really come to love about American tourism is getting in the car with my wife every morning, sometimes horribly early, and seeing the big picture of America, from the freeways and the country roads, wherever I happen to be. "I don’t drive, I’m a passenger, and I just watch, I watch life going along the roadsides and the towns and the shopping malls. It’s something I’ve found quite a passion for, and I remember one of the first pieces of music as a teenager that I ever learned to play was basically copying a piece by the Rolling Stones on their first album called Route 66. Route 66 was a symbol for something that was very much Americana. I didn't quite understand it back then, but I understand it now in a lot more detail because I know a lot more about Route 66, where it is and how it developed and so on. That, for me, is a big part of America. "For years and years I traveled around and never got that simple connection between the people that I see when I’m standing on a stage or inside of a hotel or the backstage of a theatre. Suddenly, being out there, I no longer take it for granted. Every moment is precious, even on the freeways, particularly on the East Coast. That rivals the best fun faire rides of the world, scaring the shit out of you, barreling down there with a big truck on either side of you. It’s one of the reasons I choose not to drive." To find out about new releases, reissues, and concerts, visit J-Tull.com. Thanks to Lee Adams for her skillful transcription services. www.lbpost.com/life/2000001179-tues-10-16-12-ian-anderson-chance-interventions
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Post by TM on Oct 17, 2012 9:38:09 GMT -5
Gee folks, I am so sorry if I have offended any one. I will definitely back off and try to observe the correct way to be a Tull fan. I have loved this group from the beginning until now, in all incarnations. I certainly appreciate the opinions of all board members and would never consider personally attacking anyone for how they feel. So I will carry-on a bit more quietly than before. P.S. I do wear glasses, the bold print is easier for me to read and in my day it was considered shouting if you used capital letters. I have not not kept up with the times I guess. I learn something everyday! I will remove the photo's of Ian but I will add that he was aware both times that the pictures were being taken and I spoke to him in the hotel. I was checking out too and he was very nice to me. Hi Metta, The issue is not about being a Tull fan - simply message board etiquette. Typing in all caps, bold, and large colored type are seen as an attempt at getting attention and thereby shouting at other people down. Those should be used for emphasis only. They should not be the norm. it's no different than if someone types in a teenager texting style. no caps, abbrv words, and replacing words with numbers 2 speed 1's message. We are simply asking for a little common courtesy, that's all. Thanks, and I look forward to your continued participation. Paul
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 12:56:42 GMT -5
A lot of stuff going on here....I would like to say one thing about Jeffs first comment about using "bold" type. I looked at the last post I made on the Obama thread a while back and I am guilty of putting my entire reply to the other member in larger bold type, not huge but it looks like I'm yelling. That was not my intent. I was in a bit of a hurry and I was just trying to distinguish my remarks from the original post. I didn't take the time to properly "quote/unquote" and I should've. Thats just an explanation but it still looked and came off bad. I got the distinct impression that Jeff could've very well have been talking about that kind of thing and my post in particular, in his very first comment. So for that I apologize, to Greg and the members in general. If in fact I was called out on it and asked to tone it down, my first response would not have been to argue the point as others seem to want to do. We are given a nice long leash here and I appreciate that very much. I have been a member of another great Tull group, with some excellent friendly people but they have a bit of a restrictive policy, certain things cannot be talked about there. It's not horrible but I think we forget that we are allowed to run free here. This all depends on our own good judgement to be civil to each other. Im guilty of my share of "wrestling" with others but it's not something I'm particularly proud of and I TRY to regulate myself and remain respectful. I think this is a great place and love the opportunity to hear, read, watch and share with others about Anderson and Tull over all, and music in general. The idea that the word censorship was even introduced into this conversation is a little (very!) silly. There is none. No threats where made, it was a rational request that need not be argued. So IF you were talking about my post Jeff? My answer is: sorry, NO PROBLEM happy to comply. Darin Cody
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Post by TM on Oct 17, 2012 13:20:56 GMT -5
A lot of stuff going on here....I would like to say one thing about Jeffs first comment about using "bold" type. I looked at the last post I made on the Obama thread a while back and I am guilty of putting my entire reply to the other member in larger bold type, not huge but it looks like I'm yelling. That was not my intent. I was in a bit of a hurry and I was just trying to distinguish my remarks from the original post. I didn't take the time to properly "quote/unquote" and I should've. Thats just an explanation but it still looked and came off bad. I got the distinct impression that Jeff could've very well have been talking about that kind of thing and my post in particular, in his very first comment. So for that I apologize, to Greg and the members in general. If in fact I was called out on it and asked to tone it down, my first response would not have been to argue the point as others seem to want to do. We are given a nice long leash here and I appreciate that very much. I have been a member of another great Tull group, with some excellent friendly people but they have a bit of a restrictive policy, certain things cannot be talked about there. It's not horrible but I think we forget that we are allowed to run free here. This all depends on our own good judgement to be civil to each other. Im guilty of my share of "wrestling" with others but it's not something I'm particularly proud of and I TRY to regulate myself and remain respectful. I think this is a great place and love the opportunity to hear, read, watch and share with others about Anderson and Tull over all, and music in general. The idea that the word censorship was even introduced into this conversation is a little (very!) silly. There is none. No threats where made, it was a rational request that need not be argued. So IF you were talking about my post Jeff? My answer is: sorry, NO PROBLEM happy to comply. Darin Cody I'd like to touch on something you mentioned Darin, and that is using bold or colored type to distinguish who's who in a copied reply. That is something I've done on past boards but with this board you can easily use the quote button (second button from fright on the lower buttons) to quote specific points. Please note that I'm not passing judgement on the post you're referring to, only providing this as info in case someone would like to use it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 13:32:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Paul. Had I known that the post in question would not have looked like that... I'll investigate some of the options further. IS there a sarcasm button?
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