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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 10:32:34 GMT -5
I don't know man, I just feel thankful we have gotten some new material, and are set to get more next year. These guys don't really owe us their alliegiance or anything else.
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Post by TM on Mar 13, 2013 11:22:09 GMT -5
I don't know man, I just feel thankful we have gotten some new material, and are set to get more next year. These guys don't really owe us their alliegiance or anything else. Most of us are happy with the new music too, but the fact remains that most of us are not happy with the exclusion of Martin and Doane. Of course that's not a knock on any of the current band members, as it's really just admiration for two long time Tull members. Interesting to note that (unless something unforeseen happens) this will be the first time in 35 years that Ian will follow up an album using the exact same musicians used on the previous one. That tells you something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:14:02 GMT -5
I don't know man, I just feel thankful we have gotten some new material, and are set to get more next year. These guys don't really owe us their alliegiance or anything else. Most of us are happy with the new music too, but the fact remains that most of us are not happy with the exclusion of Martin and Doane. Of course that's not a knock on any of the current band members, as it's really just admiration for two long time Tull members. Interesting to note that (unless something unforeseen happens) this will be the first time in 35 years that Ian will follow up an album using the exact same musicians used on the previous one. That tells you something. That's how I feel about this as well. It's all well and good people in some quarters banging on about how little respect might be paid to Ian or the new band,or even the new music, by some of us, but you only need to look back a year to see how much enthusiasm for the new stuff there was around, and a lot of it came from the old guard here. I believe appreciation or want of new music is not in question or doubt, neither are Ian's skills and qualities as a musician. I share Paul's view and think that it wouldn't have been a bad thing to have used Martin, but then again I'm not Ian and at the end of the day it's his shout. I won't slag Florian off, as many seem quick to slag Martin, as I have no doubt he is a technically able and very expert guitarist, I am not skilled enough to pass judgement on the nuances of his playing, I just know what I like to listen to, but the opportunity to have seen Martin work with Ian on this project would have been nice, maybe then we might have been spared all the crap that's been bandied around about the name of the band, by some who seem to think that they can call it the name they [and not Ian] choose.
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Post by Burgess on Mar 13, 2013 15:12:40 GMT -5
I think the thing is, this Ian & Martin business, is it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Its a bit like when a couple split up that you never in your wildest dreams imagined parting. Its sad and feels wrong.
But I suspect the real problem isn't musical but personal differences. Martin has never been one to say much or give much away. Its clear he's hurt by the way its ended but I think we have to ask ourselves why Tull became a nostalgia act since Dot Com? Prior to TAAB2 its been frustrating being a Tull fan with the lack of progress in terms of new material and indeed excitement.
Isn't it weird that Ian suddenly found his mojo again? Not to mention doing a major tour of both albums back to back. Who could of imagined that ever happening two years ago? Clearly something has sparked Ian on and judging by the situation, cutting his ties with Martin must be part of it. All I'm saying is we don't really know the truth. Yes Ian is a funny bugger sometimes and can be extremely cold. Martin on the other hand is the quiet hero who's been dumped, and we all feel for him and its hard to see our Guitarist of Tull treated this way.
And all this business about it being called Jethro Tull V Ian Anderson I don't get. I really can't see a change of title is going to make that much difference to the audience. Tull have never been mainstream. I bet 80% of an average audience are very familiar with all things Tull. Seems to me Ian used this as a way to separate himself from Martin without actually sacking him. But who know's maybe Ian, in his mind, is just taking a break from Martin. It just seems a bit late in the day now to think they'll suddenly reunite when the time is right. Ian's clearly happy with the current band and that's a good thing. Sure I'd personally prefer Martin on Guitar but that's not going to happen.
I'm grateful that we had 40 years of Martin and Ian and all the albums and by the sound of it a big chunk of live material to enjoy soon. And I'm chuffed that Ian is back to moving forward and writing new material and long may it continue. At the end of the day, its Ian's show and he has to do whatever works.
I wonder if we'll see the name Jethro Tull return in a couple of years? Its certainly a better brand name but then judging by the success of Taab2, does Ian really need it? I guess if Jethro Tull, as a name, ends with Martin's departure from Ian its some kind of gesture to Martin. Maybe!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 17:53:33 GMT -5
I think the thing is, this Ian & Martin business, is it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Its a bit like when a couple split up that you never in your wildest dreams imagined parting. Its sad and feels wrong. But I suspect the real problem isn't musical but personal differences. Martin has never been one to say much or give much away. Its clear he's hurt by the way its ended but I think we have to ask ourselves why Tull became a nostalgia act since Dot Com? Prior to TAAB2 its been frustrating being a Tull fan with the lack of progress in terms of new material and indeed excitement. Isn't it weird that Ian suddenly found his mojo again? Not to mention doing a major tour of both albums back to back. Who could of imagined that ever happening two years ago? Clearly something has sparked Ian on and judging by the situation, cutting his ties with Martin must be part of it. All I'm saying is we don't really know the truth. Yes Ian is a funny bugger sometimes and can be extremely cold. Martin on the other hand is the quiet hero who's been dumped, and we all feel for him and its hard to see our Guitarist of Tull treated this way. And all this business about it being called Jethro Tull V Ian Anderson I don't get. I really can't see a change of title is going to make that much difference to the audience. Tull have never been mainstream. I bet 80% of an average audience are very familiar with all things Tull. Seems to me Ian used this as a way to separate himself from Martin without actually sacking him. But who know's maybe Ian, in his mind, is just taking a break from Martin. It just seems a bit late in the day now to think they'll suddenly reunite when the time is right. Ian's clearly happy with the current band and that's a good thing. Sure I'd personally prefer Martin on Guitar but that's not going to happen. I'm grateful that we had 40 years of Martin and Ian and all the albums and by the sound of it a big chunk of live material to enjoy soon. And I'm chuffed that Ian is back to moving forward and writing new material and long may it continue. At the end of the day, its Ian's show and he has to do whatever works. I wonder if we'll see the name Jethro Tull return in a couple of years? Its certainly a better brand name but then judging by the success of Taab2, does Ian really need it? I guess if Jethro Tull, as a name, ends with Martin's departure from Ian its some kind of gesture to Martin. Maybe! Well Ian has stated that he doesn't want to use the JT name as he does not like the crowds at Tull concerts., I think it's safe to say due to Ian's actions lately that he's not thrilled with the IA crowds either. Did he really think there would be a difference? The disappointing thing about Martin being gone is that we are bordering on the last Hurrah and AFTER 40 years of what we have known as TULL I would have liked to have seen Martin with Ian until the end. I think he deserved it. Am I whining?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 18:31:33 GMT -5
Most of us are happy with the new music too, but the fact remains that most of us are not happy with the exclusion of Martin and Doane. Of course that's not a knock on any of the current band members, as it's really just admiration for two long time Tull members. Interesting to note that (unless something unforeseen happens) this will be the first time in 35 years that Ian will follow up an album using the exact same musicians used on the previous one. That tells you something. That's how I feel about this as well. It's all well and good people in some quarters banging on about how little respect might be paid to Ian or the new band,or even the new music, by some of us, but you only need to look back a year to see how much enthusiasm for the new stuff there was around, and a lot of it came from the old guard here. I believe appreciation or want of new music is not in question or doubt, neither are Ian's skills and qualities as a musician. I share Paul's view and think that it wouldn't have been a bad thing to have used Martin, but then again I'm not Ian and at the end of the day it's his shout. I won't slag Florian off, as many seem quick to slag Martin, as I have no doubt he is a technically able and very expert guitarist, I am not skilled enough to pass judgement on the nuances of his playing, I just know what I like to listen to, but the opportunity to have seen Martin work with Ian on this project would have been nice, maybe then we might have been spared all the crap that's been bandied around about the name of the band, by some who seem to think that they can call it the name they [and not Ian] choose. No need to be skilled enough as a musician to be able to pass judgment. If you like it, it's good. It's obvious Flo has the technical skills and talent. In some ways he may be more "technically" skilled than Martin was at a young age. He is very young and does what he is told to do without quams. My critique on Flo is that his playing is not original in any way. He does a good job covering the parts, has decent tone, etc..But when he plays by himself just riffing away, or when he has a few moments during the brick to improvise on his own he plays the most standard, cliche' rock riffs off all time. And he does a good job, playing the kind of stuff most guitarists do when they first learn to play. Spend a half hour in Guitar Center and you'll hear what I mean. The trickiest I have seen him get is to play Eddie Van Halen's eruption. While that is always impressive, it is still very standard. This is the kind of stuff I avoided learning as it was all so very common. While I also don't consider myself a "technically gifted" guitarist I still found it much more exciting to learn by listening to Martin, who's riffs are still some of the most unique I've ever heard. He is a special player. When you hear Martin play by himself it sounds like TULL. After 40 years his playing certainly was an important component to the overall TULL sound and I have missed it the past couple years. Not a knock on Flo. I have nothing against him other than he is no Martin!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 19:47:28 GMT -5
That's how I feel about this as well. It's all well and good people in some quarters banging on about how little respect might be paid to Ian or the new band,or even the new music, by some of us, but you only need to look back a year to see how much enthusiasm for the new stuff there was around, and a lot of it came from the old guard here. I believe appreciation or want of new music is not in question or doubt, neither are Ian's skills and qualities as a musician. I share Paul's view and think that it wouldn't have been a bad thing to have used Martin, but then again I'm not Ian and at the end of the day it's his shout. I won't slag Florian off, as many seem quick to slag Martin, as I have no doubt he is a technically able and very expert guitarist, I am not skilled enough to pass judgement on the nuances of his playing, I just know what I like to listen to, but the opportunity to have seen Martin work with Ian on this project would have been nice, maybe then we might have been spared all the crap that's been bandied around about the name of the band, by some who seem to think that they can call it the name they [and not Ian] choose. No need to be skilled enough as a musician to be able to pass judgment. If you like it, it's good. It's obvious Flo has the technical skills and talent. In some ways he may be more "technically" skilled than Martin was at a young age. He is very young and does what he is told to do without quams. My critique on Flo is that his playing is not original in any way. He does a good job covering the parts, has decent tone, etc..But when he plays by himself just riffing away, or when he has a few moments during the brick to improvise on his own he plays the most standard, cliche' rock riffs off all time. And he does a good job, playing the kind of stuff most guitarists do when they first learn to play. Spend a half hour in Guitar Center and you'll hear what I mean. The trickiest I have seen him get is to play Eddie Van Halen's eruption. While that is always impressive, it is still very standard. This is the kind of stuff I avoided learning as it was all so very common. While I also don't consider myself a "technically gifted" guitarist I still found it much more exciting to learn by listening to Martin, who's riffs are still some of the most unique I've ever heard. He is a special player. When you hear Martin play by himself it sounds like TULL. After 40 years his playing certainly was an important component to the overall TULL sound and I have missed it the past couple years. Not a knock on Flo. I have nothing against him other than he is no Martin! I dont know if I can take all of this reasoned, knowledgable, decent and even, dare I say, deep conversation. I dont think one of these posts would have made it past the guy who seems to think a compliment for Martin is a knock on Flo. Which then ended with a off topic comic photo with hundreds of dancing weenies (I KNOW their chills!) Seriously, I couldn't agree more with your assesment Erin. (Aside from your obvious and constant whining and of course your Tull fan elitism....jeez) Florian has great fingers but he didnt cut his teeth on pop, blues or rock. He is a classically trained flamenco player, probably a great reader. BUT he didnt grow up learning all those hundreds of cover songs, and it matters, where he would've learned what was cliche and how to craft a good lead, I'm sure he'll get there. He is working on his own cd, if I remember correctly it's called the "Blues Project" Im sure that whatever is coming our way in terms of new stuff by Ian will be exciting and at least interesting. If he is so inclined to be writing and recording again he must be inspired and that is usually good. Letting so much time pass between releases from back in the nineties through Rupi's just might have found him a little rusty. Ians solo tours from 2010 thru 11 with the same line-up were obviously grease for the squeaky wheel, once he got it rolling......so even if TAAB 3 sounds a little far fetched I'll be interested to hear it just because. Who knows they might even include a do-it-yourself home prostrate exam!!! Darin E. Cody
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Post by TM on Mar 13, 2013 20:07:52 GMT -5
No need to be skilled enough as a musician to be able to pass judgment. If you like it, it's good. It's obvious Flo has the technical skills and talent. In some ways he may be more "technically" skilled than Martin was at a young age. He is very young and does what he is told to do without quams. My critique on Flo is that his playing is not original in any way. He does a good job covering the parts, has decent tone, etc..But when he plays by himself just riffing away, or when he has a few moments during the brick to improvise on his own he plays the most standard, cliche' rock riffs off all time. And he does a good job, playing the kind of stuff most guitarists do when they first learn to play. Spend a half hour in Guitar Center and you'll hear what I mean. The trickiest I have seen him get is to play Eddie Van Halen's eruption. While that is always impressive, it is still very standard. This is the kind of stuff I avoided learning as it was all so very common. While I also don't consider myself a "technically gifted" guitarist I still found it much more exciting to learn by listening to Martin, who's riffs are still some of the most unique I've ever heard. He is a special player. When you hear Martin play by himself it sounds like TULL. After 40 years his playing certainly was an important component to the overall TULL sound and I have missed it the past couple years. Not a knock on Flo. I have nothing against him other than he is no Martin! I dont no if I can take all of this reasoned decent and even dare I say deep conversation. I dont think one of these posts would have made it past the guy who seems to think a compliment for Martin is a knock on Flo. Which then ended with a off topic comic photo with hundreds of dancing weenies (I know their chills!) Seriously, I couldn't agree more with your assesment Erin. (Aside from your obvious and constant whining and of course your Tull fan elitism....jeez) Im sure that whatever is coming our way in terms of new stuff by Ian will be exciting and at least interesting. If he is so inclined to be writing and recording again he must be inspired and that is usually good. Letting so much time pass between releases from back in the nineties through Rupi's just might have found him a little rusty. Ians solo tours from 2010 thru 11 with the same line-up were obviously grease for the squeaky wheel, once he got it rolling......so even if TAAB 3 sounds a little far fetched I'll be interested to hear it just because. Who knows they might even include a do-it-yourself home prostrate exam!!! Darin E. Cody Your absolutely correct. In fact, the person you are referring to considered our members to be "Martin Extremists" and actually threatened to leave the board if they weren't muzzled. Talk about some bizarre shit. And speaking of bizarre shit, I thought you would appreciate the convoy video and dancing weenies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 20:23:18 GMT -5
I dont no if I can take all of this reasoned decent and even dare I say deep conversation. I dont think one of these posts would have made it past the guy who seems to think a compliment for Martin is a knock on Flo. Which then ended with a off topic comic photo with hundreds of dancing weenies (I know their chills!) Seriously, I couldn't agree more with your assesment Erin. (Aside from your obvious and constant whining and of course your Tull fan elitism....jeez) Im sure that whatever is coming our way in terms of new stuff by Ian will be exciting and at least interesting. If he is so inclined to be writing and recording again he must be inspired and that is usually good. Letting so much time pass between releases from back in the nineties through Rupi's just might have found him a little rusty. Ians solo tours from 2010 thru 11 with the same line-up were obviously grease for the squeaky wheel, once he got it rolling......so even if TAAB 3 sounds a little far fetched I'll be interested to hear it just because. Who knows they might even include a do-it-yourself home prostrate exam!!! Darin E. Cody Your absolutely correct. In fact, the person you are referring to considered our members to be "Martin Extremists" and actually threatened to leave the board if they weren't muzzled. Talk about some bizarre shit. And speaking of bizarre shit, I thought you would appreciate the convoy video and dancing weenies. CONVOY!! Yes! I laughed loudly when I saw it, Such elitist bizarre shit. Thank you DEC
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 14, 2013 3:21:38 GMT -5
I dont no if I can take all of this reasoned decent and even dare I say deep conversation. I dont think one of these posts would have made it past the guy who seems to think a compliment for Martin is a knock on Flo. Which then ended with a off topic comic photo with hundreds of dancing weenies (I know their chills!) Seriously, I couldn't agree more with your assesment Erin. (Aside from your obvious and constant whining and of course your Tull fan elitism....jeez) Im sure that whatever is coming our way in terms of new stuff by Ian will be exciting and at least interesting. If he is so inclined to be writing and recording again he must be inspired and that is usually good. Letting so much time pass between releases from back in the nineties through Rupi's just might have found him a little rusty. Ians solo tours from 2010 thru 11 with the same line-up were obviously grease for the squeaky wheel, once he got it rolling......so even if TAAB 3 sounds a little far fetched I'll be interested to hear it just because. Who knows they might even include a do-it-yourself home prostrate exam!!! Darin E. Cody Your absolutely correct. In fact, the person you are referring to considered our members to be "Martin Extremists" and actually threatened to leave the board if they weren't muzzled. Talk about some bizarre shit. ) What a whackjob! Jeff
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 14, 2013 3:31:50 GMT -5
That's how I feel about this as well. It's all well and good people in some quarters banging on about how little respect might be paid to Ian or the new band,or even the new music, by some of us, but you only need to look back a year to see how much enthusiasm for the new stuff there was around, and a lot of it came from the old guard here. I believe appreciation or want of new music is not in question or doubt, neither are Ian's skills and qualities as a musician. I share Paul's view and think that it wouldn't have been a bad thing to have used Martin, but then again I'm not Ian and at the end of the day it's his shout. I won't slag Florian off, as many seem quick to slag Martin, as I have no doubt he is a technically able and very expert guitarist, I am not skilled enough to pass judgement on the nuances of his playing, I just know what I like to listen to, but the opportunity to have seen Martin work with Ian on this project would have been nice, maybe then we might have been spared all the crap that's been bandied around about the name of the band, by some who seem to think that they can call it the name they [and not Ian] choose. No need to be skilled enough as a musician to be able to pass judgment. If you like it, it's good. It's obvious Flo has the technical skills and talent. In some ways he may be more "technically" skilled than Martin was at a young age. He is very young and does what he is told to do without quams. My critique on Flo is that his playing is not original in any way. He does a good job covering the parts, has decent tone, etc..But when he plays by himself just riffing away, or when he has a few moments during the brick to improvise on his own he plays the most standard, cliche' rock riffs off all time. And he does a good job, playing the kind of stuff most guitarists do when they first learn to play. Spend a half hour in Guitar Center and you'll hear what I mean. The trickiest I have seen him get is to play Eddie Van Halen's eruption. While that is always impressive, it is still very standard. This is the kind of stuff I avoided learning as it was all so very common. While I also don't consider myself a "technically gifted" guitarist I still found it much more exciting to learn by listening to Martin, who's riffs are still some of the most unique I've ever heard. He is a special player. When you hear Martin play by himself it sounds like TULL. After 40 years his playing certainly was an important component to the overall TULL sound and I have missed it the past couple years. Not a knock on Flo. I have nothing against him other than he is no Martin! I totally agree. I think Florian does an okay job of imitating Martin, but like you say, his electric guitar solos and improvisation seem cliched to me, and nothing special. He cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as a guitar legend like Martin, who is a true original. That said, I do think that Florian is a better acoustic player than electric one, but still no match for Martin in that respect either. I also agree that Martin is an essential part of the Tull sound. Stage Left sounds like an instrumental Tull album, especially the piece where Martin also plays flute (forgot which one). It's a little like when the Beatles broke up and started doing solo albums. All four of them released solo albums that sounded like Beatles albums, because all of them were essential to the Beatles sound. In the same way, Stage Left sounds like a Tull album, and it is brilliant from start to finish. Martin Extremist.
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Post by TM on Mar 14, 2013 11:04:25 GMT -5
Do you think it's Florian imitating Martin as much as it may be Ian's idea for the electric guitar?
For some reason I get the feeling (except for the solos) that what we are getting is coming from Ian. Especially parts like the end of Banker Bets Banker Wins. Of course it makes sense that Martin's sound has influenced Ian on how the guitar should sound as well.
I'll have to give this album another listen. I haven't listened to it in literally months.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 22:39:22 GMT -5
Come on guys.
I agree with Paul, Florian is hired to play a certain style the way i see it. I like what he does, it was a good choice. Martin is great. This is good stuff, we're lucky to get more next year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 8:11:53 GMT -5
Come on guys. I agree with Paul, Florian is hired to play a certain style the way i see it. I like what he does, it was a good choice. Martin is great. This is good stuff, we're lucky to get more next year. Kai, I don't think anyone is disagreeing on any point, all good stuff, and yes Florian seems a competent guitarist, although as Erin says, and I alluded to without sounding like I dislike him in any great way because quite frankly I don't, but I have never liked that 'heavy' guitar sound that he uses when playing solo. I don't think anyone wants to take anything away from Florian but equally, and unlike some. a few of us fail to see why all of a sudden Martin is no longer their flavour of the month, particularly with some certain 'fans'. Prior to TaaB 2 and Ian's distancing, Martin could do no wrong in their eyes, but all of a sudden to them he's a whiner and a disgruntled guitarist, seemingly because they feel they need to take sides with Ian. That's simply taking their fanaticism to a ridiculous and inappropriate personal level. Like me, they have no concept of what is going on in the ranks.
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 15, 2013 14:17:44 GMT -5
Come on guys. I agree with Paul, Florian is hired to play a certain style the way i see it. I like what he does, it was a good choice. Martin is great. This is good stuff, we're lucky to get more next year. Prior to TaaB 2 and Ian's distancing, Martin could do no wrong in their eyes, but all of a sudden to them he's a whiner and a disgruntled guitarist, seemingly because they feel they need to take sides with Ian. That's simply taking their fanaticism to a ridiculous and inappropriate personal level. Like me, they have no concept of what is going on in the ranks. Yes, and ironically, it is those types of fans (i.e., the ones who idolize Ian and everything he does) who scare Ian the most. It's like the quote by Mayor Koch, cited below my signature. Jeff
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Post by Oldghost on May 8, 2013 12:38:24 GMT -5
Although TAAB2 leaves me a bit cold after one year of its release, I'm still looking forward to TAAB3 (not necessarily for its title), as I would look forward to any upcoming Tull or IA material. And yet there's one concern which actualy scares the hell out of me. It was mentioned by the man himself this will be more hard rocking effort and even the term "metal" was used. As far as my own taste is concerned, I really wouldn't like to hear that generic hard rock stuff again, which has been dragging for decades through so many Tull albums. Furthermore, as much as I appreciate Flo's undeniable skills and sincere energy, I still feel he migt be very close to aforementioned "generic" approach, particulary when playing Tull stuff. But then again, I wouldn't have been concerned any less if Martin was there. By the way, did anyone ever imagine Martin and Flo playing together on Tull hard rock album and live shows as well?? I did. That would be a real treat!! I'm sure king Solomon would envy Ian. And yet, there's another mistery which is really beyond me.... How in the world would a man who is constantly proclaiming his dislike for loud rock music (particulary in his ageing times) and emphasising his acoustic preferences, now suddenly want to make a hard rock or even metal album and consequently attract hordes of beer drinking buddies whom he despises so much? Anyone? And furthermore....there's possibly overdemanding task of adapting his ever decreasing vocal abilities to that sort of style, unless he's up to some guesting vocalist (his old buddy Plant maybe? ..or even Gillan would do well enough?). To sum it up, all the above reminds me on my grandma's desire to drive F1 race in Monte Carlo (which I respect btw). In case any of my concerns appear to be senseless, please dear forum coleagues, help me to realise my delusional views. But on the brighter note, it isn't my intention to discourage anyone (not even myself) on anticipation of new material, let alone Ian and lads or whoever is intended to be in the band when recording takes off. It's just about the observing things from a certain angle, which might be or might not be justified. Afteral, I wish Ian and band good luck on any kind of musical adventure they might be up to, and let them take us by surprise as they did many times before. As I said in the beggining, I'm looking forward to it, no matter what turns out in the end.
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Post by TM on May 8, 2013 13:27:56 GMT -5
Although TAAB2 leaves me a bit cold after one year of it's release, I'm still looking forward to TAAB3 (not necessarily for its title), as I would look forward to any upcomig Tull or IA material. And yet there's one concern which actualy scares the hell out of me. It was mentioned by the man himself this will be more hard rocking effort and even the term "metal" was used. As far as my own taste is concerned, I really wouldn't like to hear that generic hard rock stuff again, which has been dragging for decades through so many Tull albums. Furthermore, as much as I appreciate Flo's undeniable skills and sincere energy, I still feel he migt be very close to aforementioned "generic" aproach, particulary when playing Tull stuff. But then again, I wouldn't have been concerned any less if Martin was there. By the way, did anyone ever imagine Martin and Flo playing together on Tull hard rock album and live shows as well?? I did. That would be a real treat!! I'm sure king Solomon would envy Ian. And yet, there's another mistery which is really beyond me.... How in the world would a man who is constantly proclaiming his dislike for loud rock music (particulary in his ageing times) and emphasising his acoustic preferences, now suddenly want to make a hard rock or even metal album and consequently attract hordes of beer drinking buddies whom he despises so much? Anyone? And furthermore....possibly overdemanding task of adapting his ever decreasing vocal abilities to that sort of style, unless he's up to some guesting vocalist (his old buddy Plant maybe? ..or even Gillan would do well enough?). To sum it up, all the above reminds me on my grandma's desire to drive F1 race in Monte Carlo (which I respect btw). In case any of my concerns appear to be senseless, please dear forum coleagues, help me to realise my delusional views. But on the brighter note, It isn't my intention to discourage anyone (not even myself) on anticipation of new material, let alone Ian and lads or whoever is intended to be in the band when recording takes off. It's just about the observing things from a certain angle, which might be or might not be justified. Afteral, I wish Ian and band good luck on any kind of musical adventure they might be up to and let them take us by surprise as they did many times before. As I said in the beggining, I'm looking forward to it, no matter what turns out in the end. I'm not sure it's been confirmed that this album is the hard rock album that Ian alluded to last year, although he did say that this album would be more hard rock than TAAB2. But you bring up a good point regarding the contradictions and the vocal concerns which only Ian could explain. It seems to make sense that if we are looking purely at musical styles, Martin and Doane are the best fit for a hard rock record. Hey, one can hope can't they?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 13:42:36 GMT -5
By the way, did anyone ever imagine Martin and Flo playing together on Tull hard rock album and live shows as well?? I did. That would be a real treat!! ©Martin WebOMG!!!! Look at that! Martin teaching Flo the set list a few years back?! Yeah, those are valid points. I agree, I've read the same conflicting remarks. Pointing them out isn't verboten. I tend to think though that some of the better portions of TAAB 2, such as Banker Bets, Kismet and a couple of other points, are what Ian is considering "heavier rock". Remember he is playing acoustic guitar through out. So from his point of view, these are written as acoustic songs. He once described Aqualung as an acoustic ballad with some loud guitar riffs in it. (!!) I don't imagine a Sabbath sound is something he's referring to. I remember when the prevailing view back around the Aqualung days was that Tull was a Hard Rock band with a flute in it. Now don't tell Ian but some of those beer drinking louts have been quietly sneaking in to his solo shows for the last couple of years!! Shhhhhhhh Darin Cody
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Post by Mothfairy on May 8, 2013 13:58:44 GMT -5
By the way, did anyone ever imagine Martin and Flo playing together on Tull hard rock album and live shows as well?? I did. That would be a real treat!! ©Martin WebOMG!!!! Look at that! Martin teaching Flo the set list a few years back?! Now don't tell Ian but some of those beer drinking louts have been quietly sneaking in to his solo shows for the last couple of years!! Shhhhhhhh Darin Cody My word, he looks like a baby! Uh, yeah I'm one of them. Apparently I decide to only have a couple when I go to a show. Wow, wise choice Mothfairy.
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Post by Oldghost on May 8, 2013 14:21:00 GMT -5
Well...if Kismet is that sort of thing which might await us in 2014, then I would have no objections whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:11:43 GMT -5
I think whatever the case, we can expect something fairly different from what we got with TAAB2.
When has Ian ever done the same thing twice anyway?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:20:30 GMT -5
By the way, did anyone ever imagine Martin and Flo playing together on Tull hard rock album and live shows as well?? I did. That would be a real treat!! ©Martin WebOMG!!!! Look at that! Martin teaching Flo the set list a few years back?! Yeah, those are valid points. I agree, I've read the same conflicting remarks. Pointing them out isn't verboten. I tend to think though that some of the better portions of TAAB 2, such as Banker Bets, Kismet and a couple of other points, are what Ian is considering "heavier rock". Remember he is playing acoustic guitar through out. So from his point of view, these are written as acoustic songs. He once described Aqualung as an acoustic ballad with some loud guitar riffs in it. (!!) I don't imagine a Sabbath sound is something he's referring to. I remember when the prevailing view back around the Aqualung days was that Tull was a Hard Rock band with a flute in it. Now don't tell Ian but some of those beer drinking louts have been quietly sneaking in to his solo shows for the last couple of years!! Shhhhhhhh Darin Cody
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Post by Nonfatman on May 8, 2013 15:30:17 GMT -5
That's great, Erin. You know I'm going to use it on Facebook!
Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 5:08:36 GMT -5
Looks like there is more news regarding a new album. Has anyone heard anything else about this?
Ian Anderson Says His Next Album Will Be Folk-Prog-Metal Hybrid by Billy Dukes July 10, 2013 1:17 PM ultimateclassicrock.com/ian-anderson-new-album/ Ian Anderson promises new music in 2014. And while he knows what direction the project will take (it’s a concept album), details — like whether or not it will be a solo record or a Jethro Tull LP — are still up in the air. Either way, Anderson says it will be a folk-prog-metal hybrid.
It looks like he’s aiming for a release date sometime around Easter 2014. Anderson plans to begin recording in December and the first tour for the new album will begin in the U.K. in April.
“Further tours throughout 2014 will feature the new material in a more theatrical setting … together with a selection of the best of Jethro Tull,” Anderson wrote in a blog post on Jethro Tull’s website. But even he seems to be undecided about the new record’s final destination: “‘Is this to be an Ian Anderson album or a Jethro Tull album?’ I hear you ask. Not sure, really, I reply, if somewhat evasively …”
The new record will be more aggressive than 2012′s ‘Thick As a Brick 2,’ Anderson’s latest album. That means “much less acoustic guitar from me and more flute and heavier guitar sounds,” Anderson said.
He also put a tentative release date on the remixed and remastered edition of Tull’s ‘A Passion Play’ and ‘The Chateau D’isaster Tapes,’ which became the band’s sixth album. The sale of the group’s old record company has pushed the release to early 2014, according to Anderson.
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Post by TM on Jul 12, 2013 9:18:16 GMT -5
I believe Ian speaks about his new album on his new website.
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