Tullabye
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Post by Tullabye on Feb 7, 2014 13:21:40 GMT -5
Lol....I hope you are right, Lucas. I have a feeling there will be some lengthy, and very proggy, instrumental passages. I also suspect, based on one of the comments Ian made, that there will be several spoken soliloquies, at least during the live performance, if not on the album. I hope that's not the case, because I really thought there was too much spoken word poetry on the Brick 2, and too much of the megaphone effect as well, which I hope will not be repeated on this new album. In all the years of Tull and Ian music, the megaphone device was used very sparingly, only twice, I believe, on The Clasp and Aqualung, for one line each, and maybe you can throw in the word Hell, from the second side of APP. On TAAB2, he seemed to use it in every other song, which I thought was too much. The one mystery that nobody seems to know the answer to, is whether Ryan will be singing on this album. My guess is that he will, but there's been no confirmation of that, at least that I'm aware of, but I don't keep track of Ian's every utterance, so I could be wrong. Jeff I think it's safe to say yes since Ryan is apart of some of the new promo pictures over on the official site. In a recent interview that Ian gave (can't remember if it was radio or print) Ian definitely stated that Ryan was going into the studio to do his singing bits so I'm sure Ryan is a part of this album. As for the spoken word, if it's limited or heavy handed with instruments playing in the backround then I'm all for it. Ian has the ability to use his speaking voice very effectively and I think it could be great. Kind of like the Chateau tapes where he speaks of the bomb in the dressing room or the Only Solitaire passage, both work effectively. I am one of the few who also likes Wounded and Hot Mango. I do not think we'll get anything like the spoken song we got on Brick 2 and that'll be a good thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 15:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by LJG on Feb 8, 2014 16:38:56 GMT -5
My only fear is that it will be too similar to TAAB 2.
Creating a 'concept album' by loosely stringing together a bunch of otherwise unconnected 'character studies' has been done. That's basically all TAAB 2 was... and to a certain extent... the same can be said for albums like ELP's "Pictures at an Exhibition".
I hope there is something of substance to this to really make it worthy of tying to the Bostock pedigree... but I fear the use of Gerald B. may be more a question of selling albums with fans, than warranted by any real continuation of a theme.
The question we should ask ourselves when we hear the album is: would it have made ANY difference at all if Gerald Bostock had nothing to do with this, and it was just another Ian solo album.
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Post by Nonfatman on Feb 8, 2014 20:17:15 GMT -5
My only fear is that it will be too similar to TAAB 2. Creating a 'concept album' by loosely stringing together a bunch of otherwise unconnected 'character studies' has been done. That's basically all TAAB 2 was... and to a certain extent... the same can be said for albums like ELP's "Pictures at an Exhibition". I hope there is something of substance to this to really make it worthy of tying to the Bostock pedigree... but I fear the use of Gerald B. may be more a question of selling albums with fans, than warranted by any real continuation of a theme. The question we should ask ourselves when we hear the album is: would it have made ANY difference at all if Gerald Bostock had nothing to do with this, and it was just another Ian solo album. Excellent post, Luke, and I also have reservations about the same kind of "multiple character" concept and another Gerald Bostock tie-in, which seems to be out of left field. My initial reaction to yet another quasi-sequel to the Bostock saga, was to think that this was "jumping the shark." I am keeping an open mind, but if there is going to be the same type of over-use of the spoken word delivery and megaphone effect, then I am not sure I will like it. It is going to be interesting to see the lyrics and hear the record for the very first time. Jeff |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 9:30:14 GMT -5
My only fear is that it will be too similar to TAAB 2. Creating a 'concept album' by loosely stringing together a bunch of otherwise unconnected 'character studies' has been done. That's basically all TAAB 2 was... and to a certain extent... the same can be said for albums like ELP's "Pictures at an Exhibition". I hope there is something of substance to this to really make it worthy of tying to the Bostock pedigree... but I fear the use of Gerald B. may be more a question of selling albums with fans, than warranted by any real continuation of a theme. The question we should ask ourselves when we hear the album is: would it have made ANY difference at all if Gerald Bostock had nothing to do with this, and it was just another Ian solo album. I share the same concern, but the packaging is very different thematically. I would think that would be some indication of a different sound. Thing is, if it's the same band in the same studio (anyone know the studio?) even a different genre all together may sound all too much like TAAB2 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 9:34:13 GMT -5
My only fear is that it will be too similar to TAAB 2. Creating a 'concept album' by loosely stringing together a bunch of otherwise unconnected 'character studies' has been done. That's basically all TAAB 2 was... and to a certain extent... the same can be said for albums like ELP's "Pictures at an Exhibition". I hope there is something of substance to this to really make it worthy of tying to the Bostock pedigree... but I fear the use of Gerald B. may be more a question of selling albums with fans, than warranted by any real continuation of a theme. The question we should ask ourselves when we hear the album is: would it have made ANY difference at all if Gerald Bostock had nothing to do with this, and it was just another Ian solo album. Excellent post, Luke, and I also have reservations about the same kind of "multiple character" concept and another Gerald Bostock tie-in, which seems to be out of left field. My initial reaction to yet another quasi-sequel to the Bostock saga, was to think that this was "jumping the shark." I am keeping an open mind, but if there is going to be the same type of over-use of the spoken word delivery and megaphone effect, then I am not sure I will like it. It is going to be interesting to see the lyrics and hear the record for the very first time. Jeff I never really minded the megaphone effect, but I think it would have been much more effective if it had heavier rock instrumentation behind it, and was used less. Otherwise I really do like it. I'd be interested in any type of voice distortion since it can be very effective if done right, and in the right context. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 9:38:12 GMT -5
Looking over the posts and CD covers here I was just wondering when Ian mentioned Tull on his solo albums besides the sequel to TAAB and little stickers on the cellophane wrappers? I'm only guessing that Of all his solo CDs there was only one that was a second installment of a major Jethro Tull album . I'm sure he wanted to have the name of the album out front AND make it clear that it was Ian solo. The earlier solo releases weren't part 2 of Aqualung or Stand Up. I'm very glad we don't have to wonder about this kind of stuff anymore..........;-) Darin Though we may find we have to wonder more once certain lyrics come out with the new album  I wonder if there will be any more uses of the phrase "Passion Play"... |
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Post by Lucas on Feb 9, 2014 9:46:41 GMT -5
I doubt it. Ian doesn't seem to be very found of the Passion Play thing. Maybe because of the Chateu D'isaster, the APP made in a hurry (although I find it superior to TaaB), the bad reviews and everything. I mean, he obsviouly used pieces of it in Warchild, and even released part of the Tapes on Nightcap, and now I am anxiously awaiting for the remix by Steven Wilson, with hopefuly more of the Chateau Tapes and new material, but I don't think he would revisit anything of that era in a new work.
I am very anxious for Homo Erraticus. I have a good feeling about it, even better than when TaaB 2 was announced.
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Post by Nonfatman on Feb 9, 2014 11:12:38 GMT -5
Excellent post, Luke, and I also have reservations about the same kind of "multiple character" concept and another Gerald Bostock tie-in, which seems to be out of left field. My initial reaction to yet another quasi-sequel to the Bostock saga, was to think that this was "jumping the shark." I am keeping an open mind, but if there is going to be the same type of over-use of the spoken word delivery and megaphone effect, then I am not sure I will like it. It is going to be interesting to see the lyrics and hear the record for the very first time. Jeff I never really minded the megaphone effect, but I think it would have been much more effective if it had heavier rock instrumentation behind it, and was used less. Otherwise I really do like it. I'd be interested in any type of voice distortion since it can be very effective if done right, and in the right context. I liked it when it was used sparingly in the past, and I think the "sun-streaking cold" and "in high-rise city canyons dwell" verses from Aqualung and The Clasp where the only two times it was ever employed prior to Brick 2. It it were used once or twice on Brick 2, that would have been great, but I felt there was too much of it. I think you have it on four or five songs. The poetry reading/spoken word delivery was also overused, in my opinion. I hope we don't get a lot of that on the new album, but I think we will because Ian mentioned something about "extended soliloquies" in his description of the album. Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Feb 9, 2014 14:14:35 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say yes since Ryan is apart of some of the new promo pictures over on the official site. In a recent interview that Ian gave (can't remember if it was radio or print) Ian definitely stated that Ryan was going into the studio to do his singing bits so I'm sure Ryan is a part of this album. As for the spoken word, if it's limited or heavy handed with instruments playing in the backround then I'm all for it. Ian has the ability to use his speaking voice very effectively and I think it could be great. Kind of like the Chateau tapes where he speaks of the bomb in the dressing room or the Only Solitaire passage, both work effectively. I am one of the few who also likes Wounded and Hot Mango. I do not think we'll get anything like the spoken song we got on Brick 2 and that'll be a good thing. Thanks for the information, Tom, I have not been keeping abreast of all the latest news. The reason I wasn't sure is because one of the most recent publicity photos did not include Ryan. It makes sense that Ryan should be included though, I thought that worked very well for the Brick 2 tour. I like some, but not all, of the spoken word material Ian has done over the years, and particularly the beat poetry of HMF. It's effective when used sparingly, but I thought there was too much of the poetry-reading stuff on Brick2. It interrupted the flow of the music. The most frustrating example of this was on the song Give Till it Hurts, where the song was developing nicely and then comes to an abrupt end with the spoken outro. I didn't really liked Cosy Corner, either...it sounded to me like circus music. I have a feeling we will be seeing more of this type of thing on the new album. The reason I say this is because of a comment by Ian suggesting that there would be extended soliloquies on the album and/or the live performance. He may have been joking, though. Jeff |
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Post by Preston Platform on Feb 9, 2014 14:30:10 GMT -5
I totally agree with your sentiments regarding the spoken word parts on TAAB 2. They really interrupt the flow of the music and I regularly skip them if and when I listen to this. I hope that the forthcoming release does not contain this sort of thing again , but I also suspect it may well do so.
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Post by Eka on Feb 9, 2014 15:27:37 GMT -5
Seems like spoken word is there coz of ian's vocal problems and fact that album should be played live many times next, let's say two years, probably means we might expect more of a spoken word and distortion effect on vocals. Blame can be put on how music industry developes as well. Musicians could put more effort into making music if they wouldn't depend so much on playing live, which is only way to make money. We all know puting out an album these days doesn't pay off as it used to once.
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Post by TM on Feb 9, 2014 16:15:37 GMT -5
Seems like spoken word is there coz of ian's vocal problems and fact that album should be played live many times next, let's say two years, probably means we might expect more of a spoken word and distortion effect on vocals. Blame can be put on how music industry developes as well. Musicians could put more effort into making music if they wouldn't depend so much on playing live, which is only way to make money. We all know puting out an album these days doesn't pay off as it used to once. My take is that the impetus for the spoken word parts came from the favorable responses Ian received to his readings during the Christmas shows these past years. He is after all a very good speaker. With that said I hope he leaves the readings for Decembers. |
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Post by Eka on Feb 9, 2014 17:32:38 GMT -5
For long time already I wish Ian would focus more on recording music and less (or even completely without) playing it live. Must be it's a selfish feeling, but still that thought keeps living. Somehow think I can sense boundaries made by constant need of playing live in Ian's creativity. Maybe he would fly higher without pressure of delivering music live. Or without pressure of making good selling album.. Or am I wrong?  But there is no doubt he is great narrator and as some of you mentioned, best would be to leave narrations apart from music and have Homo Erraticus highly musical melodical album. |
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Post by TM on Feb 9, 2014 17:46:53 GMT -5
For long time already I wish Ian would focus more on recording music and less (or even completely without) playing it live. Must be it's a selfish feeling, but still that thought keeps living. Somehow think I can sense boundaries made by constant need of playing live in Ian's creativity. Maybe he would fly higher without pressure of delivering music live. Or without pressure of making good selling album.. Or am I wrong? I have felt the same exact way, but there's one thing Ian said a long time ago that still rings true to this day, Ian loves playing live. |
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Post by Eka on Feb 9, 2014 18:05:53 GMT -5
For long time already I wish Ian would focus more on recording music and less (or even completely without) playing it live. Must be it's a selfish feeling, but still that thought keeps living. Somehow think I can sense boundaries made by constant need of playing live in Ian's creativity. Maybe he would fly higher without pressure of delivering music live. Or without pressure of making good selling album.. Or am I wrong? I have felt the same exact way, but there's one thing Ian said a long time ago that still rings true to this day, Ian loves playing live. So it is posible that he might feel same battle inside himself. Would be interesting to hear his answer. Just to remember about this to ask if we get another chance to make questions maybe through this board.. sometimes soon, m? Sorry for wondering from subject. |
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Post by TM on Feb 9, 2014 20:13:51 GMT -5
I have felt the same exact way, but there's one thing Ian said a long time ago that still rings true to this day, Ian loves playing live. So it is posible that he might feel same battle inside himself. Would be interesting to hear his answer. Just to remember about this to ask if we get another chance to make questions maybe through this board.. sometimes soon, m? Sorry for wondering from subject. Ian understands that (health permitting) he'll have the opportunity to make a few more albums before it's time to turn out the lights. We're very lucky he became inspired once again to release new studio recordings. I guess a question I would ask is does he have any regrets going 9 years without making a new record. |
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Post by Lucas on Feb 9, 2014 20:18:46 GMT -5
I would want to know what will he do when he gets to the point when he cannot sing anymore or play the flute like he use to. I imagine he would be a good writer, if he fancied creating worlds and stories.
He might end up being like Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams due to the satirious nature of many of his lyrics.
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Post by TM on Feb 9, 2014 20:43:07 GMT -5
Maybe after the Homo release we'll see if we can send Ian off a few questions about the new record and assorted others....
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Post by Lucas on Feb 9, 2014 20:44:47 GMT -5
Asking him things is always funny! =D
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Post by Nonfatman on Feb 10, 2014 17:08:57 GMT -5
Like Leatherface, Homo has an erratic disposition, wears a scary mask, carries an instrument of torture, has a leather strap across his chest, treads terrain that could easily be Texas and leaves death and destruction in his wake.   Let's hope the music is not a horror show! Jeff |
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Post by Lucas on Feb 10, 2014 18:04:58 GMT -5
Or.... maybe... Gerald Bostock!
Ian often talks of how unfortunate it was that they found the model who, as a child, was Gerald to the cover of TaaB, too late to put him in TaaB 2. It might be him now since it's a trilogy.
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Post by Nursie Dear on Feb 10, 2014 19:50:19 GMT -5
If the tour makes it to Utah it will be interesting to see how well the show sells and the reaction of local fans to more new music. The SLC crowd sat expressionless during TAAB2. Only Locomotive Breath could revive them from their catatonia.
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Post by TM on Feb 11, 2014 17:24:30 GMT -5
If the tour makes it to Utah it will be interesting to see how well the show sells and the reaction of local fans to more new music. The SLC crowd sat expressionless during TAAB2. Only Locomotive Breath could revive them from their catatonia. Sent from my HTC Inspire 4G using proboards I experienced basically the same thing up in Boston. A lot of cat naps were being had during TAAB2. Perhaps it's best to get the new stuff played first and finish with the oldies. |
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Post by Lucas on Feb 12, 2014 16:04:59 GMT -5
Ah, the hell with USA's Middle-East policy!
All I want are more snippets from Homo as we had in TaaB 2! =D
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But there is no doubt he is great narrator and as some of you mentioned, best would be to leave narrations apart from music and have Homo Erraticus highly musical melodical album.
