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Post by TM on Feb 19, 2014 21:57:16 GMT -5
Not that I really want to delve into this topic, but I recently read some commentary on the pedophilia aspect to the Aqualung character, and I don't ever remember that topic being ever discussed by Ian or Tull fans.
I've always just thought of Aqualung as being "the poor old sod" as Ian sings, "Aqualung my friend don't start away uneasy you poor old sod, you see, it's only me."
But in reality, should the author, or anybody, be calling this guy "his friend" when he's "eyeing little girls with bad intent" and "Watching as the frilly panties run?"
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Post by Biggles on Feb 19, 2014 22:49:35 GMT -5
Not that I really want to delve into this topic, but I recently read some commentary on the pedophilia aspect to the Aqualung character, and I don't ever remember that topic being ever discussed by Ian or Tull fans. I've always just thought of the Aqualung as "the poor old sod" as Ian sings, "Aqualung my friend don't start away uneasy you poor old sod, you see, it's only me." But in reality, should the author, or anybody, be calling this guy "his friend" when he's "eyeing little girls with bad intent" and "Watching as the frilly panties run?" I think it becomes more apparent in Cross Eyed Mary with the lyric.. "or maybe her attention is drawn by Aqualung". |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 20, 2014 1:19:16 GMT -5
Not that I really want to delve into this topic, but I recently read some commentary on the pedophilia aspect to the Aqualung character, and I don't ever remember that topic being ever discussed by Ian or Tull fans. I've always just thought of Aqualung as being "the poor old sod" as Ian sings, "Aqualung my friend don't start away uneasy you poor old sod, you see, it's only me." But in reality, should the author, or anybody, be calling this guy "his friend" when he's "eyeing little girls with bad intent" and "Watching as the frilly panties run?" Maybe he feels bad for him because some consider pedophilia is a mental illness. |
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Post by Morthoron on Feb 20, 2014 8:57:00 GMT -5
Not that I really want to delve into this topic, but I recently read some commentary on the pedophilia aspect to the Aqualung character, and I don't ever remember that topic being ever discussed by Ian or Tull fans. I've always just thought of Aqualung as being "the poor old sod" as Ian sings, "Aqualung my friend don't start away uneasy you poor old sod, you see, it's only me." But in reality, should the author, or anybody, be calling this guy "his friend" when he's "eyeing little girls with bad intent" and "Watching as the frilly panties run?" Maybe he feels bad for him because some consider pedophilia is a mental illness. You have to remember that Jennie Anderson was responsible for some of the lyrics, and that what she wrote was a sarcastic impression of Ian himself. "Eyeing little girls with bad intent" could well be Jennie watching Ian during a concert while girls swarm. Hey, they did divorce only 3 years after Aqualung. Also, Ian has always had regrets and sadness for the homeless (refer to the lyrics of "Crash-Barrier Waltzer"). In an interview regarding "Aqualung" Ian said: "It's about our reaction, of guilt, distaste, awkwardness and confusion, all these things that we feel when we're confronted with the reality of the homeless. You see someone who's clearly in desperate need of some help, whether it's a few coins or the contents of your wallet, and you blank them out. The more you live in that business-driven, commercially-driven lifestyle, you can just cease to see them." |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 20, 2014 11:30:13 GMT -5
Maybe he feels bad for him because some consider pedophilia is a mental illness. You have to remember that Jennie Anderson was responsible for some of the lyrics, and that what she wrote was a sarcastic impression of Ian himself. "Eyeing little girls with bad intent" could well be Jennie watching Ian during a concert while girls swarm. Hey, they did divorce only 3 years after Aqualung. Also, Ian has always had regrets and sadness for the homeless (refer to the lyrics of "Crash-Barrier Waltzer"). In an interview regarding "Aqualung" Ian said: "It's about our reaction, of guilt, distaste, awkwardness and confusion, all these things that we feel when we're confronted with the reality of the homeless. You see someone who's clearly in desperate need of some help, whether it's a few coins or the contents of your wallet, and you blank them out. The more you live in that business-driven, commercially-driven lifestyle, you can just cease to see them." I knew about Jennie's help with Aqualung but didn't know it was about Ian at all. But I did always feel like it had hints of him in the artistic interpretation. But if it really is about a leering homeless guy I guess I feel like in the song they discuss him watching little girls like...of course, it's Aqualung, he's homeless and awkward and he looks and sounds gross so we would we expect anything less from him than to creepily watch little girls with bad intent. Like a stereotype that all homeless people are like that (they're not of course) I also heard in an interview with Seth Macfarlane how he uses a decrepit old man on one of his shows as humor who always tries to go after young boys. He said they can only get away with it because the guy is so old and can barely walk and obviously isn't going to do anything about it. Aqualung doesn't really seem to do anything about it in the song...maybe that's why the author is like, meh, about it. I'm probably wrong on all of this but TM probably knew I'd be all over this because I love lyric meaning and dissection  The homeless people make me want to cry. It's a shame people sleep on the streets. A few weeks ago during that "Polar Vortex" thing I left a shopping center and at the traffic light there were a couple of people with a sign that said, "Traveling and Cold" and I gave them my last few dollars. They had a golden retriever with them too, curled up on the ground. My heart couldn't take it. That doesn't say 'homeless' and I don't know their story but it was really cold...and oh my god, the poor doggy. |
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Post by Morthoron on Feb 20, 2014 11:53:50 GMT -5
You have to remember that Jennie Anderson was responsible for some of the lyrics, and that what she wrote was a sarcastic impression of Ian himself. "Eyeing little girls with bad intent" could well be Jennie watching Ian during a concert while girls swarm. Hey, they did divorce only 3 years after Aqualung. Also, Ian has always had regrets and sadness for the homeless (refer to the lyrics of "Crash-Barrier Waltzer"). In an interview regarding "Aqualung" Ian said: "It's about our reaction, of guilt, distaste, awkwardness and confusion, all these things that we feel when we're confronted with the reality of the homeless. You see someone who's clearly in desperate need of some help, whether it's a few coins or the contents of your wallet, and you blank them out. The more you live in that business-driven, commercially-driven lifestyle, you can just cease to see them." I knew about Jennie's help with Aqualung but didn't know it was about Ian at all. But I did always feel like it had hints of him in the artistic interpretation. But if it really is about a leering homeless guy I guess I feel like in the song they discuss him watching little girls like...of course, it's Aqualung, he's homeless and awkward and he looks and sounds gross so we would we expect anything less from him than to creepily watch little girls with bad intent. Like a stereotype that all homeless people are like that (they're not of course) I also heard in an interview with Seth Macfarlane how he uses a decrepit old man on one of his shows as humor who always tries to go after young boys. He said they can only get away with it because the guy is so old and can barely walk and obviously isn't going to do anything about it. Aqualung doesn't really seem to do anything about it in the song...maybe that's why the author is like, meh, about it. I'm probably wrong on all of this but TM probably knew I'd be all over this because I love lyric meaning and dissection The homeless people make me want to cry. It's a shame people sleep on the streets. A few weeks ago during that "Polar Vortex" thing I left a shopping center and at the traffic light there were a couple of people with a sign that said, "Traveling and Cold" and I gave them my last few dollars. They had a golden retriever with them too, curled up on the ground. My heart couldn't take it. That doesn't say 'homeless' and I don't know their story but it was really cold...and oh my god, the poor doggy. I like the lyrics of "Aqualung" because the character is well-rounded. Not morally well-rounded, of course, but as a persona. He has faults, he has issues, he smokes cigarette butts off the ground and checks out slutty Cross Eyed Mary (who obviously likes the attention). He is one of the "armies of the road" who takes in a warm meal at the Salvation Army when he can. We get to know a lot about him in a short series of lyrics that has left a lasting impression on us. We've seen him before, countless times, but never really got into his head. And for all his faults and sins, we feel regret when he dies out in the cold, his last rattling breaths hearkening back to why the song was called "Aqualung" in the first place. And we are reminded on the inner sleeve that the god made by man also created the Aqualung -- we, as in society, in effect created this disposable wretch. We grow the misbegotten and monsters in our midst. |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 20, 2014 12:00:33 GMT -5
Do we know about how old Cross Eyed Mary is supposed to be? Teenager?
I remember my parents saying how they gave money to an old man in NYC picking up the cigarette butts on the ground. They smoked cigarettes at the time so they could sympathize.
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Post by TM on Feb 20, 2014 12:12:16 GMT -5
You have to remember that Jennie Anderson was responsible for some of the lyrics, and that what she wrote was a sarcastic impression of Ian himself. "Eyeing little girls with bad intent" could well be Jennie watching Ian during a concert while girls swarm. Hey, they did divorce only 3 years after Aqualung. Also, Ian has always had regrets and sadness for the homeless (refer to the lyrics of "Crash-Barrier Waltzer"). In an interview regarding "Aqualung" Ian said: "It's about our reaction, of guilt, distaste, awkwardness and confusion, all these things that we feel when we're confronted with the reality of the homeless. You see someone who's clearly in desperate need of some help, whether it's a few coins or the contents of your wallet, and you blank them out. The more you live in that business-driven, commercially-driven lifestyle, you can just cease to see them." I knew about Jennie's help with Aqualung but didn't know it was about Ian at all. But I did always feel like it had hints of him in the artistic interpretation. But if it really is about a leering homeless guy I guess I feel like in the song they discuss him watching little girls like...of course, it's Aqualung, he's homeless and awkward and he looks and sounds gross so we would we expect anything less from him than to creepily watch little girls with bad intent. Like a stereotype that all homeless people are like that (they're not of course) I also heard in an interview with Seth Macfarlane how he uses a decrepit old man on one of his shows as humor who always tries to go after young boys. He said they can only get away with it because the guy is so old and can barely walk and obviously isn't going to do anything about it. Aqualung doesn't really seem to do anything about it in the song...maybe that's why the author is like, meh, about it. I'm probably wrong on all of this but TM probably knew I'd be all over this because I love lyric meaning and dissection The homeless people make me want to cry. It's a shame people sleep on the streets. A few weeks ago during that "Polar Vortex" thing I left a shopping center and at the traffic light there were a couple of people with a sign that said, "Traveling and Cold" and I gave them my last few dollars. They had a golden retriever with them too, curled up on the ground. My heart couldn't take it. That doesn't say 'homeless' and I don't know their story but it was really cold...and oh my god, the poor doggy. That's pretty much my point. I fully understand feeling bad for the unfortunate, down and out character, whether he's down on his luck in a most extreme sense, or is suffering from mental illness. But then we do have the pedophilia aspect, which perhaps should cause conflicting feelings - that of repulsion, anger, hatred, etc. Greg brought up Jenny's lyrical input and that is a good point, but based on the Cross-Eyed Mary lyrics that Biggles referenced I'm not convince she was writing about Ian... Laughing in the playground - gets no kicks from little boys:
would rather make it with a letching grey.
Or maybe her attention is drawn by Aqualung,
who watches through the railings as they play.
These lyrics seem to confirm Aqualung is in all likelihood a predator, which leads me to again question why the author would feel anything but disgust about this character? Am I wrong? |
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Post by Morthoron on Feb 20, 2014 12:14:49 GMT -5
Do we know about how old Cross Eyed Mary is supposed to be? Teenager? I remember my parents saying how they gave money to an old man in NYC picking up the cigarette butts on the ground. They smoked cigarettes at the time so they could sympathize. I would say she was in high school at most, and she is in to older men ("gets no kicks from little boys"), I mean much older ("would rather make it with a letching grey" -- a lecherous old man, and the barber drops her off at school). So she is rather turned on as Aqualung "watches through the railings as they play". She is, unequivocally, a young slut ("she signs no contracts, but she always plays the game", ie., not a pro hooker) who is drawn by men who can furnish her needs (something a jobless boy couldn't do), but she comes fairly cheaply, "Dines in Hampstead village on expense accounted gruel", and "She's a poor man's rich girl and she'll do it for a song." |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 20, 2014 13:43:09 GMT -5
Do we know about how old Cross Eyed Mary is supposed to be? Teenager? I remember my parents saying how they gave money to an old man in NYC picking up the cigarette butts on the ground. They smoked cigarettes at the time so they could sympathize. I would say she was in high school at most, and she is in to older men ("gets no kicks from little boys"), I mean much older ("would rather make it with a letching grey" -- a lecherous old man, and the barber drops her off at school). So she is rather turned on as Aqualung "watches through the railings as they play". She is, unequivocally, a young slut ("she signs no contracts, but she always plays the game", ie., not a pro hooker) who is drawn by men who can furnish her needs (something a jobless boy couldn't do), but she comes fairly cheaply, "Dines in Hampstead village on expense accounted gruel", and "She's a poor man's rich girl and she'll do it for a song. That's what I figured...at times I thought she sounds like a really young girl but she's obviously old enough to become pregnant. |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 20, 2014 13:56:12 GMT -5
Like the new avatar Mothsetta. Different, but the same.
Ah, there's the discgraphy as we speak. Thanks Darin.
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 20, 2014 14:05:18 GMT -5
Like the new avatar Mothsetta. Different, but the same. Ah, there's the discgraphy as we speak. Thanks Darin. LOL Mike, you always come out of left field saying something that has nothing to do with anything. Thanks, this new avatar is courtesy of Derek Pith. He knows how I love those Heavy Horses...and can't usually think up anything good for an avatar, that's why I had the Giddings one for like 12 years. |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 20, 2014 22:45:54 GMT -5
Like the new avatar Mothsetta. Different, but the same. Ah, there's the discgraphy as we speak. Thanks Darin. LOL Mike, you always come out of left field saying something that has nothing to do with anything. Thanks, this new avatar is courtesy of Derek Pith. He knows how I love those Heavy Horses...and can't usually think up anything good for an avatar, that's why I had the Giddings one for like 12 years. Really? I thought Barry's discography and your avatar would be something fairly normal. Oh well, I've always been somewhat irrevelant at times. I liked your Giddings pic until Giddy went anti-American on us. That was an excellent pic of you though. Wasn't it the dancing shoes before that? I like this one, but have you ever thought of a moth. Like, perhaps, a big colorful moth with a horses head or something. You know, a mythical beasite. Perhaps something like the Broadsword cover. Or is that too masculine. We just got rattled by a sever thunderstorm with 82 mph winds and a couple of tornado warnings a littel while ago. That was fun, hearing the civil defense horns blast in February ... It was 81 degrees today. Global warming is back. So that's the Stormwatch report. I know, wrong thread. Will have limbs to clean up tomorrow. |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 20, 2014 23:00:18 GMT -5
LOL Mike, you always come out of left field saying something that has nothing to do with anything. Thanks, this new avatar is courtesy of Derek Pith. He knows how I love those Heavy Horses...and can't usually think up anything good for an avatar, that's why I had the Giddings one for like 12 years. Really? I thought Barry's discography and your avatar would be something fairly normal. Oh well, I've always been somewhat irrevelant at times. I liked your Giddings pic until Giddy went anti-American on us. That was an excellent pic of you though. Wasn't it the dancing shoes before that? I like this one, but have you ever thought of a moth. Like, perhaps, a big colorful moth with a horses head or something. You know, a mythical beasite. Perhaps something like the Broadsword cover. Or is that too masculine. We just got rattled by a sever thunderstorm with 82 mph winds and a couple of tornado warnings a littel while ago. That was fun, hearing the civil defense horns blast in February ... It was 81 degrees today. Global warming is back. So that's the Stormwatch report. I know, wrong thread. Will have limbs to clean up tomorrow. Well it's funny because we never know what you're going to say or where you'll say it. Is the last message before this one...just you quoting me? haha. That horse head moth sounds like something for the subject of my next nightmare. You all here have been giving me plenty to go on lately so we'll see. Mike, you've abandoned the Stormwatch thread...but wow, 81 degrees? Did you lose electricity during the storm? Warmed up to 40 degrees or so, some things are melting but kind of freezing back up so it's more scary and slippery than before. I have some really ominous looking icicles hanging off the house. Going down almost the whole length of the house and could probably kill a person if they fell. Making sure that the kids hustle, get in the van, get in the house, no going near the outside walls. |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 20, 2014 23:12:45 GMT -5
Really? I thought Barry's discography and your avatar would be something fairly normal. Oh well, I've always been somewhat irrevelant at times. I liked your Giddings pic until Giddy went anti-American on us. That was an excellent pic of you though. Wasn't it the dancing shoes before that? I like this one, but have you ever thought of a moth. Like, perhaps, a big colorful moth with a horses head or something. You know, a mythical beasite. Perhaps something like the Broadsword cover. Or is that too masculine. We just got rattled by a sever thunderstorm with 82 mph winds and a couple of tornado warnings a littel while ago. That was fun, hearing the civil defense horns blast in February ... It was 81 degrees today. Global warming is back. So that's the Stormwatch report. I know, wrong thread. Will have limbs to clean up tomorrow. Well it's funny because we never know what you're going to say or where you'll say it. Is the last message before this one...just you quoting me? haha. That horse head moth sounds like something for the subject of my next nightmare. You all here have been giving me plenty to go on lately so we'll see. Mike, you've abandoned the Stormwatch thread...but wow, 81 degrees? Did you lose electricity during the storm? Warmed up to 40 degrees or so, some things are melting but kind of freezing back up so it's more scary and slippery than before. I have some really ominous looking icicles hanging off the house. Going down almost the whole length of the house and could probably kill a person if they fell. Making sure that the kids hustle, get in the van, get in the house, no going near the outside walls. Wow, didn't see you come in. Well, yeah, I guess I'm not too orderly here, sorry. I don't know, I guess I double clutched on the "create post" or something and just quoted you. Not that you are not worth requoting. I'll try to remove it, if my dial up snail computer will let me. Oh, I hope my horsehead moth didn't scare you. No dreams tonight for you. No we didn't lose power oddly enough - it's a miracle!!! - but we did have a hard blink. Intense lightning though, but it move by so fast it was here and gone, boom! My lab Maggie headed for the basement so we followed. She knows the routine. We had these big ice daggars on the cliffs here last week, like twenty feet long - awesome, but now they are long gone. We're running the a/c tonight. How weird is that. I didn't abandon the Stormwatch thread, I just said it all here ..... and there, and everywhere I spose. |
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Post by Morthoron on Feb 20, 2014 23:15:21 GMT -5
The horsehead moth...brought to you by the same folks that gave us the Doberhuahua.
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 21, 2014 12:10:07 GMT -5
Well it's funny because we never know what you're going to say or where you'll say it. Is the last message before this one...just you quoting me? haha. That horse head moth sounds like something for the subject of my next nightmare. You all here have been giving me plenty to go on lately so we'll see. Mike, you've abandoned the Stormwatch thread...but wow, 81 degrees? Did you lose electricity during the storm? Warmed up to 40 degrees or so, some things are melting but kind of freezing back up so it's more scary and slippery than before. I have some really ominous looking icicles hanging off the house. Going down almost the whole length of the house and could probably kill a person if they fell. Making sure that the kids hustle, get in the van, get in the house, no going near the outside walls. Wow, didn't see you come in. Well, yeah, I guess I'm not too orderly here, sorry. I don't know, I guess I double clutched on the "create post" or something and just quoted you. Not that you are not worth requoting. I'll try to remove it, if my dial up snail computer will let me. Oh, I hope my horsehead moth didn't scare you. No dreams tonight for you. No we didn't lose power oddly enough - it's a miracle!!! - but we did have a hard blink. Intense lightning though, but it move by so fast it was here and gone, boom! My lab Maggie headed for the basement so we followed. She knows the routine. We had these big ice daggars on the cliffs here last week, like twenty feet long - awesome, but now they are long gone. We're running the a/c tonight. How weird is that. I didn't abandon the Stormwatch thread, I just said it all here ..... and there, and everywhere I spose. Hi Mike. That is weird. A/C...I just don't even...we probably won't utilize an A/C until July here. Rainy, slushy, icy mix today. I just checked the weather...up to 45 degrees tomorrow but then around 13 degrees a week from tomorrow. Whyyyyy (really whiny) I can't take it anymore. At least next week is school vacation so I don't have to get the girl child to and from school, that's always a drag in the cold. It's snowed about 800 times in the past week, husband has had to go out plowing in the middle of the night several times and I've had to cancel dance class. Umm, I think my first avatar was me with my Tull friend Tim and holding a one year old Em at the 40 year show. Then for some reason had the Giddings and me photo from TM's phone. I'm pretty good with this one now. haha |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 21, 2014 12:14:30 GMT -5
The horsehead moth...brought to you by the same folks that gave us the Doberhuahua. I didn't know what that was, had to google it, reminds me of the dog from The Mask movie after he puts on the mask. You guys keep mentioning horse heads and I'm picturing this: Scary Horse HeadPut that on top of a moth body and I'm...just not feeling it. |
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Post by Morthoron on Feb 21, 2014 12:15:38 GMT -5
I knew about Jennie's help with Aqualung but didn't know it was about Ian at all. But I did always feel like it had hints of him in the artistic interpretation. But if it really is about a leering homeless guy I guess I feel like in the song they discuss him watching little girls like...of course, it's Aqualung, he's homeless and awkward and he looks and sounds gross so we would we expect anything less from him than to creepily watch little girls with bad intent. Like a stereotype that all homeless people are like that (they're not of course) I also heard in an interview with Seth Macfarlane how he uses a decrepit old man on one of his shows as humor who always tries to go after young boys. He said they can only get away with it because the guy is so old and can barely walk and obviously isn't going to do anything about it. Aqualung doesn't really seem to do anything about it in the song...maybe that's why the author is like, meh, about it. I'm probably wrong on all of this but TM probably knew I'd be all over this because I love lyric meaning and dissection The homeless people make me want to cry. It's a shame people sleep on the streets. A few weeks ago during that "Polar Vortex" thing I left a shopping center and at the traffic light there were a couple of people with a sign that said, "Traveling and Cold" and I gave them my last few dollars. They had a golden retriever with them too, curled up on the ground. My heart couldn't take it. That doesn't say 'homeless' and I don't know their story but it was really cold...and oh my god, the poor doggy. That's pretty much my point. I fully understand feeling bad for the unfortunate, down and out character, whether he's down on his luck in a most extreme sense, or is suffering from mental illness. But then we do have the pedophilia aspect, which perhaps should cause conflicting feelings - that of repulsion, anger, hatred, etc. Greg brought up Jenny's lyrical input and that is a good point, but based on the Cross-Eyed Mary lyrics that Biggles referenced I'm not convince she was writing about Ian... Laughing in the playground - gets no kicks from little boys:
would rather make it with a letching grey.
Or maybe her attention is drawn by Aqualung,
who watches through the railings as they play.
These lyrics seem to confirm Aqualung is in all likelihood a predator, which leads me to again question why the author would feel anything but disgust about this character? Am I wrong? I don't think your query was sufficiently addressed, Paul. It's obvious that Cross Eyed Mary is sexually active with older men, although not necessarily of legal age (as the lyrics would imply). Perhaps the author himself has no qualms of dipping below the age of consent, hmmm? Or perhaps backstage it was difficult to deduce which girl was legal and which wasn't at the point of entry.  Also, the quote in my sig line seems to indicate the boys from Tull had a continued interest in the loss of virginity. |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 21, 2014 13:03:30 GMT -5
That's pretty much my point. I fully understand feeling bad for the unfortunate, down and out character, whether he's down on his luck in a most extreme sense, or is suffering from mental illness. But then we do have the pedophilia aspect, which perhaps should cause conflicting feelings - that of repulsion, anger, hatred, etc. Greg brought up Jenny's lyrical input and that is a good point, but based on the Cross-Eyed Mary lyrics that Biggles referenced I'm not convince she was writing about Ian... Laughing in the playground - gets no kicks from little boys:
would rather make it with a letching grey.
Or maybe her attention is drawn by Aqualung,
who watches through the railings as they play.
These lyrics seem to confirm Aqualung is in all likelihood a predator, which leads me to again question why the author would feel anything but disgust about this character? Am I wrong? I don't think your query was sufficiently addressed, Paul. It's obvious that Cross Eyed Mary is sexually active with older men, although not necessarily of legal age (as the lyrics would imply). Perhaps the author himself has no qualms of dipping below the age of consent, hmmm? Or perhaps backstage it was difficult to deduce which girl was legal and which wasn't at the point of entry. Also, the quote in my sig line seems to indicate the boys from Tull had a continued interest in the loss of virginity. no one to take them home to greasy bedsitters and make a late night play for lost virginity a thousand miles away |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 21, 2014 14:37:05 GMT -5
Wow, didn't see you come in. Well, yeah, I guess I'm not too orderly here, sorry. I don't know, I guess I double clutched on the "create post" or something and just quoted you. Not that you are not worth requoting. I'll try to remove it, if my dial up snail computer will let me. Oh, I hope my horsehead moth didn't scare you. No dreams tonight for you. No we didn't lose power oddly enough - it's a miracle!!! - but we did have a hard blink. Intense lightning though, but it move by so fast it was here and gone, boom! My lab Maggie headed for the basement so we followed. She knows the routine. We had these big ice daggars on the cliffs here last week, like twenty feet long - awesome, but now they are long gone. We're running the a/c tonight. How weird is that. I didn't abandon the Stormwatch thread, I just said it all here ..... and there, and everywhere I spose. Hi Mike. That is weird. A/C...I just don't even...we probably won't utilize an A/C until July here. Rainy, slushy, icy mix today. I just checked the weather...up to 45 degrees tomorrow but then around 13 degrees a week from tomorrow. Whyyyyy (really whiny) I can't take it anymore. At least next week is school vacation so I don't have to get the girl child to and from school, that's always a drag in the cold. It's snowed about 800 times in the past week, husband has had to go out plowing in the middle of the night several times and I've had to cancel dance class. Umm, I think my first avatar was me with my Tull friend Tim and holding a one year old Em at the 40 year show. Then for some reason had the Giddings and me photo from TM's phone. I'm pretty good with this one now. haha No, you had the dancing feet avatar, remember? The one you got now is good. Nice hues of blue/gray/black and horse. You guys need to come down here for a break in February to get away from the ice. Plenty of woods for hubby to hunt, open fields for the kids to run off energy, warm hopsitatlity ( if you behave ) and all you can eat. I just can't imagine being snowed on for three months out of the year. Yeah, A/C last night, very humid, off today though. Temps down to 60s. You don't know what it was I was going to ask you do you? If you think of it let me know. |
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Post by TM on Feb 21, 2014 14:43:51 GMT -5
That's pretty much my point. I fully understand feeling bad for the unfortunate, down and out character, whether he's down on his luck in a most extreme sense, or is suffering from mental illness. But then we do have the pedophilia aspect, which perhaps should cause conflicting feelings - that of repulsion, anger, hatred, etc. Greg brought up Jenny's lyrical input and that is a good point, but based on the Cross-Eyed Mary lyrics that Biggles referenced I'm not convince she was writing about Ian... Laughing in the playground - gets no kicks from little boys:
would rather make it with a letching grey.
Or maybe her attention is drawn by Aqualung,
who watches through the railings as they play.
These lyrics seem to confirm Aqualung is in all likelihood a predator, which leads me to again question why the author would feel anything but disgust about this character? Am I wrong? I don't think your query was sufficiently addressed, Paul. It's obvious that Cross Eyed Mary is sexually active with older men, although not necessarily of legal age (as the lyrics would imply). Perhaps the author himself has no qualms of dipping below the age of consent, hmmm? Or perhaps backstage it was difficult to deduce which girl was legal and which wasn't at the point of entry. Also, the quote in my sig line seems to indicate the boys from Tull had a continued interest in the loss of virginity. No, I think you guys nailed it - we're dealing with post-adolescence here and not a story like the recent one out of New York where longtime rock DJ Dave Herman (72 years old) , has been indicted for flying a (presumed) seven year old to the BVI for sex. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 17:46:16 GMT -5
I don't think your query was sufficiently addressed, Paul. It's obvious that Cross Eyed Mary is sexually active with older men, although not necessarily of legal age (as the lyrics would imply). Perhaps the author himself has no qualms of dipping below the age of consent, hmmm? Or perhaps backstage it was difficult to deduce which girl was legal and which wasn't at the point of entry. Also, the quote in my sig line seems to indicate the boys from Tull had a continued interest in the loss of virginity. No, I think you guys nailed it - we're dealing with post-adolescence here and not a story like the recent one out of New York where longtime rock DJ Dave Herman (72 years old) , has been indicted for flying a (presumed) seven year old to the BVI for sex. In 1971 Ian introduced the song thusly: "Wer'e going to play you a song about a very dirty old man…….One of natures poor unfortunates……...Given to such filthy, vile and despicable pursuits as looking up the skirts of little girls…………AND TRYING TO GET A GOOD HANDFUL!!!……(big audience reaction) His name's Aqualung and so's the song."And Cross Eyed Mary, Ian explaining that Jeffery is "about to introduce the next song by name……A perfectly ordinary song about a rather common place, ordinary little Roman Catholic prostitute named Cross Eyed Mary"
I think that pretty much sums it up. Darin |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 9:00:54 GMT -5
Here is an interesting snippet from Mojo magazine,,, about Nick Cave on Aqualung...  There are some other lines in "Cross Eyed Mary" that have rather dark meanings "and the jack knifebarber" -- could this be about abortion. In earlier days barbers did do some basic medical procedures. see wikiapedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber_surgeon |
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Post by Mothfairy on Feb 26, 2014 11:08:40 GMT -5
Here is an interesting snippet from Mojo magazine,,, about Nick Cave on Aqualung... There are some other lines in "Cross Eyed Mary" that have rather dark meanings "and the jack knifebarber" -- could this be about abortion. In earlier days barbers did do some basic medical procedures. see wikiapedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber_surgeonThat's what I always got out of it. Which is why I assumed she was older, not a very little girl, because she had gotten pregnant. |
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