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Post by housebrick on May 6, 2014 17:55:53 GMT -5
Theres a big difference since 2011 on the voice issues to date .
Ian just cant do the Tull stuff at all these days,it is bad ,make no bones
Why doesnt he go a for a lighter type of gig these days ,acoustic stuff,flute, keys ,violin,percusion and sing stuff he has written recent with his limitations
RD, SLOB, Mother goose Cheap Day Dun Ringill also maybe
Leave the hard hitters alone
I dont see what he is acheiving
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Post by Mothfairy on May 6, 2014 19:27:52 GMT -5
I thought I was perfectly clear in the fact that I'm right 5 out of every 4 times. As I just mentioned, yes ago I went to see Van Morrison. Not only did he have some young kid singing most of his music, when he sang he sounded like crap. It seemed as if his mic was purposely distorted because you couldn't understand a word the man said. And no, I didn't familiarize myself the "current" VM prior to going as you suggested. I just went to enjoy an artist I casually liked from the past. I'll now prepare the dog house.  Yeah...I see what you're saying and everything....it's just that the only thing that makes me not agree with you is that I think this image says quite the opposite. |
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Post by TM on May 6, 2014 20:01:10 GMT -5
For example in TOTRNR Ian is pretending to sing much of this ...Ryan does the vocal parts in the higher registers ...but Ian still mimes the words or whispers them ...To the back of the hall it seems as if he is singing ....this is not the case I was on the front row at Birmingham and he did not sing at times . Hi Preston, not sure what to make of that statement. Seemed pretty obvious who was singing at any one time so I can't see why Ian would mime along with Ryan. Its obvious Ryan is there to help with the singing, it works how they share the songs, Ian does a verse or part of a verse, then Ryan takes the next bit. Its been a few days now so I've been thinking about the show. I don't have the buzz I had after the 2011 gig but that's just how gigs go, I wish I could see another show of this tour in a few months to compare. I was just in the car and had a few tracks from the album playing. Again, Ian's voice is superb on the album, its far beyond my expectations. Clearly he does have days when he can sing. Granted, in the studio he can take his time, working each sentence till he get's a good take. I know some have mentioned studio trickery, beyond doubling up with Ryan, a bit of padding with the tone and effects, I can't detect anything fancy. Despite common belief, studio trickery on the whole cannot polish a turd. Tuning can be fixed and unless its subtle its obvious to me because auto tuning tools damage the tone of a natural voice. It works well when used very sparingly such as on a single word/note. Many of today's pop records are tuned to fuck and its pretty obvious to me. Ian's problem isn't really a tuning issue. Granted those high notes he struggles to reach, but its more of a dynamic range and tonal issue. Beyond EQ there really isn't much you can do to fix bad tone. So I stand by my comment that Ian gave a good vocal performance on the album. He was good when I last say him live in 2011. What's of concern is Birmingham was date 5 after 5-6 month off of touring. If his vocal issues were caused by too much singing, one would have thought his voice would have been rested. I can't imagine how Ian must feel about it all. He is at his core a songwriter, in many ways he must feel a great sense of loss for his unique gift. And he rarely comments on his vocal problems. Which is odd considering how open he is on most subjects. Going forward, I'd love to see him record more. To continue to play live, I think further changes need to be made to use Ryan much more, limiting Ian to double up with Ryan more, or perhaps restricting his solo singing to just good nights. One does wonder if Ian has seeked professional help for his voice. As MRS. Mix commented, you can see the tension and stress around his neck as he reaches for the notes, I find it rather upsetting to see. Like an old dog struggling to get up on its feet. Its a similar feeling. Musically of course, the shows are first class and Ian's still a great entertainer. My gut feeling is these might just be the final tours. Ian has gone on record stating that he's hoping to put out a few more records before he calls it a day and you have to give him credit. But how lucky are we to have had this attraction to this band? As for the voice - you're right Mix, he rarely talks about it which is strange because it's such an obvious issue. Years ago I heard Cindi Lauper reached out to Ian recommending a doctor. Not sure what happened. Not that it matters now, but I wonder if a medical procedure might have helped him. |
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Post by TM on May 6, 2014 20:02:16 GMT -5
As I just mentioned, yes ago I went to see Van Morrison. Not only did he have some young kid singing most of his music, when he sang he sounded like crap. It seemed as if his mic was purposely distorted because you couldn't understand a word the man said. And no, I didn't familiarize myself the "current" VM prior to going as you suggested. I just went to enjoy an artist I casually liked from the past. I'll now prepare the dog house. Yeah...I see what you're saying and everything....it's just that the only thing that makes me not agree with you is that I think this image says quite the opposite. Right again dear. |
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Post by Morthoron on May 6, 2014 21:42:55 GMT -5
Theres a big difference since 2011 on the voice issues to date . Ian just cant do the Tull stuff at all these days,it is bad ,make no bones Why doesnt he go a for a lighter type of gig these days ,acoustic stuff,flute, keys ,violin,percusion and sing stuff he has written recent with his limitations RD, SLOB, Mother goose Cheap Day Dun Ringill also maybe Leave the hard hitters alone I dont see what he is acheiving Would definitely go to see an all acoustic Ian concert (the Rubbing Elbows tour was almost all acoustic, if I recall). Neil Young has done solo all acoustic concerts and they were fantastic. Ian certainly has enough material to fall back on. I don't need to hear Aqualung and Locomotive Breath in concert for the 50th time. Imagine a concert with the following song list: Thick as a Brick (Edit 1) One Brown Mouse Fat Man Look Into the Sun Some Day the Sun Won't Shine for You Sossity; You're a Woman For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me Cheap Day Return Mother Goose Wond'ring Aloud Life is a Long Song Nursie Skating Away on the Thin Ice of the New Day Only Solitaire One White Duck / 010 = Nothing at All Velvet Green Dun Ringil Pine Marten's Jig Thick as a Brick (outro) EncoreSalamander (special guest Martin Barre  ) Cheerio |
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Post by homoDUNC78 on May 7, 2014 5:33:56 GMT -5
I was at B'ham and I have to say that I thought IA's voice was the best I've heard for a long time. From what I can remember, the only time during H.E. I thought he was struggling was during Doggerland, but he soon relaxed and the rest was fine...mostly.... he did forget which note to start on the flute a couple of times, which wouldn't have had an impact on folks not knowing the work (the improv section of Tripudium Ad Bellum was effected a bit though), and there was one place where no-one sang so IA jumped in (don't know who's fault that was). It was a great first half and I would gladly go every single night to see this. ......gotta get down to London With the 'Best of', I only felt that IA strained himself once or twice times during SFTW. I honestly thought Ryan was going to sing all of Teacher, but IA had aat least 50% of it and he bloody nailed it. The same with APP - I honestly think that he could pull that off better than he did TAAB. In regards to TOTRAR, it was the best live version I have heard...ever, mostly due to John, David and Ryan adding their voices to the chorus.. I've always felt that it needed that, pre-throat probs as well as post. IA was definitely not miming there, he was singing lower harmonies. The whole band was tight and the some of the subtle and not so subtle changes to the arrangements were really refreshing. 4 days on and I still can't stop reminiscing about the gig. Have I mentioned that I've gotta get to London  |
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Post by Mix on May 7, 2014 7:03:02 GMT -5
I was at B'ham and I have to say that I thought IA's voice was the best I've heard for a long time. Hi Homo, I'm glad you thought so. I noticed those mistakes too but to be fair they were tiny considering the complexity of the music and length of show. And it was only the 5th night in, bound to be a few moments of forgetfulness but their skill as a band is recovering and keeping going. I suspect 90% wouldn't have even noticed. Yeah, I liked it too when they all sang and you're right, Ian was doing some harmony work, something we haven't really had before. That may explain Preston's comments about miming. So glad to hear you enjoyed the show. Hope you can get to the London gig and give us an update. |
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Post by Preston Platform on May 7, 2014 7:24:55 GMT -5
Enjoying the posts about Birmingham. I also really enjoyed the show and agree with the comments made. Regarding the miming comment. I was wrong to say Miming ..as I am sure that there was no deliberate attempt to deceive .. on reflection it could have been that from where I was sat that Ian appeared to be mouthing the words as his voice was disguised by the backing vocals of the others
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Post by Pieter on May 7, 2014 14:59:23 GMT -5
These posts make me happy. I've had a lot of trouble getting into HE but I did. It reminded me of quite a few songs I'm not that fond of, but after a few lengty trips in the car suddenly I realised it HAD grown on me. That the concerts are so good makes me really happy, it's way to early to say goodbye to IA and Tull. Yep, to me six of one and half a dozen of the other, although I'll always miss John Glasscock, David Palmer, Martin Barre and others, but without them there can be a Tull of sorts. It can't without Ian.
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Post by PierreC on May 17, 2014 22:02:01 GMT -5
Flying from Montréal Canada to London next week to attend a pair of shows at Sheperd bush London. Can't wait, my first Tull gigs in UK. Although i'm not crazy about the new album it will be an enjoyable shows.
By the way i think its time to bring back Martin Barre in the band. Florient doesnt sound particularly well on the new album. IMO of course
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Post by GuyM on May 18, 2014 2:36:50 GMT -5
Hi Preston
What did you make of the YORK gig?
Guy
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Post by craigmore66 on May 18, 2014 5:51:36 GMT -5
I was at The Sage Gateshead on Friday night to hear Ian and the boys with the new album and best of content. I loved the show and Ian musically was on great form and is a lot fitter than me. Mention of two people in the show. Firstly Ryan O' Donnell . His vocal work was a good add in and the two singing together was great as was his narrative parts. Sadly I dont feel Ryan had enough to do , a few cymbal parts and a bit of tambourine was not enough. Had he had an instrument to play throughout he d have been less of a distraction . I know Ian needs help vocally quite frankly Id go to an instrumental show and sing along. I sang every word on Friday.
Secondly Florian. A great guitarist who played really well but is not an outstanding guitarist. Are you alowed to mention Martin Barre on here Ive noticed some people get abusive. . He is a massive miss he drives music with a passion that I felt was missing here. The quieter guitair maybe to suit Ian but I missed the power . I took my daughter as an 18th birthday present and she said " I didnt think it was possible for him to be so good" These minor points aside. I loved the show a big improvement on TAAB2 which nearly pushed me into the wilderness. There cant be many more tours and i ll savour every moment. Im still hoping for Budapest as a symphony- I can dream
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Post by TM on May 18, 2014 10:53:41 GMT -5
I was at The Sage Gateshead on Friday night to hear Ian and the boys with the new album and best of content. I loved the show and Ian musically was on great form and is a lot fitter than me. Mention of two people in the show. Firstly Ryan O' Donnell . His vocal work was a good add in and the two singing together was great as was his narrative parts. Sadly I dont feel Ryan had enough to do , a few cymbal parts and a bit of tambourine was not enough. Had he had an instrument to play throughout he d have been less of a distraction . I know Ian needs help vocally quite frankly Id go to an instrumental show and sing along. I sang every word on Friday. Secondly Florian. A great guitarist who played really well but is not an outstanding guitarist. Are you alowed to mention Martin Barre on here Ive noticed some people get abusive. . He is a massive miss he drives music with a passion that I felt was missing here. The quieter guitair maybe to suit Ian but I missed the power . I took my daughter as an 18th birthday present and she said " I didnt think it was possible for him to be so good" These minor points aside. I loved the show a big improvement on TAAB2 which nearly pushed me into the wilderness. There cant be many more tours and i ll savour every moment. Im still hoping for Budapest as a symphony- I can dream Hi David - welcome to the board and thanks for your review from TSG. I can totally relate to your post, especially that of Martin as I'm a huge fan of Martin's. And as for your question about him, the answer is of course you can speak about him. Nothing is off limits here. We used to have some heated exchanges on here simply because an ex-member was intent on riling people up by continuously trying to diminish Martin's contributions to Tull. But that member's gone and so too went those arguments. Enjoy the board, there's a host of great reading here and good people to talk with. |
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Post by Morthoron on May 18, 2014 11:11:09 GMT -5
I was at The Sage Gateshead on Friday night to hear Ian and the boys with the new album and best of content. I loved the show and Ian musically was on great form and is a lot fitter than me. Mention of two people in the show. Firstly Ryan O' Donnell . His vocal work was a good add in and the two singing together was great as was his narrative parts. Sadly I dont feel Ryan had enough to do , a few cymbal parts and a bit of tambourine was not enough. Had he had an instrument to play throughout he d have been less of a distraction . I know Ian needs help vocally quite frankly Id go to an instrumental show and sing along. I sang every word on Friday. Secondly Florian. A great guitarist who played really well but is not an outstanding guitarist. Are you alowed to mention Martin Barre on here Ive noticed some people get abusive. . He is a massive miss he drives music with a passion that I felt was missing here. The quieter guitair maybe to suit Ian but I missed the power . I took my daughter as an 18th birthday present and she said " I didnt think it was possible for him to be so good" These minor points aside. I loved the show a big improvement on TAAB2 which nearly pushed me into the wilderness. There cant be many more tours and i ll savour every moment. Im still hoping for Budapest as a symphony- I can dream Hi David - welcome to the board and thanks for your review from TSG. I can totally relate to your post, especially that of Martin as I'm a huge fan of Martin's. And as for your question about him, the answer is of course you can speak about him. Nothing is off limits here. We used to have some heated exchanges on here simply because an ex-member was intent on riling people up by continuously trying to diminish Martin's contributions to Tull. But that member's gone and so too went those arguments. Enjoy the board, there's a host of great reading here and good people to talk with. Absolutely agree with you Craigmore, in regards to Martin's absence. Some have argued there is more "energy" with Ian since Martin departed, but I call bullshit on that one. Having seen clips of Martin with his current band, he is missing no fire himself, and his versions of Tull tunes are in many cases far better than Ian's. I heard the recent version of Martin doing "Hymn 43", and I was floored. The vocals and the musical content were probably the best I've heard on a Tull song since the 80s. Masterful rendition. |
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Post by TM on May 18, 2014 12:34:08 GMT -5
Hi David - welcome to the board and thanks for your review from TSG. I can totally relate to your post, especially that of Martin as I'm a huge fan of Martin's. And as for your question about him, the answer is of course you can speak about him. Nothing is off limits here. We used to have some heated exchanges on here simply because an ex-member was intent on riling people up by continuously trying to diminish Martin's contributions to Tull. But that member's gone and so too went those arguments. Enjoy the board, there's a host of great reading here and good people to talk with. Absolutely agree with you Craigmore, in regards to Martin's absence. Some have argued there is more "energy" with Ian since Martin departed, but I call bullshit on that one. Having seen clips of Martin with his current band, he is missing no fire himself, and his versions of Tull tunes are in many cases far better than Ian's. I heard the recent version of Martin doing "Hymn 43", and I was floored. The vocals and the musical content were probably the best I've heard on a Tull song since the 80s. Masterful rendition. Agreed. Martin has lost nothing, and it's refreshing to hear Tull songs sung with power as well. |
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Post by Tullabye on May 18, 2014 18:52:06 GMT -5
Is there anything on "Away with Words" that can compare to this. i was so disappointed in the predictablle and uninspiring renditions of the songs that i heard from that album that I did not bother to pick it up. This is more like it and by far trhe best rendition of any Tull song that i have seen this band do (not many).
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Post by TM on May 18, 2014 20:11:30 GMT -5
Is there anything on "Away with Words" that can compare to this. i was so disappointed in the predictablle and uninspiring renditions of the songs that i heard from that album that I did not bother to pick it up. This is more like it and by far trhe best rendition of any Tull song that i have seen this band do (not many). That song is from Away With Words Tom. |
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Post by TM on May 18, 2014 22:08:37 GMT -5
Is there anything on "Away with Words" that can compare to this. i was so disappointed in the predictablle and uninspiring renditions of the songs that i heard from that album that I did not bother to pick it up. This is more like it and by far trhe best rendition of any Tull song that i have seen this band do (not many). Tom, maybe you ought to try again? |
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Post by TM on May 18, 2014 22:36:24 GMT -5
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Post by Preston Platform on May 21, 2014 8:57:44 GMT -5
Hi Preston What did you make of the YORK gig? Guy Hi Guy , enjoyed the show a lot ...but it was for me the least successful of the four shows I saw. I felt it was a tired performance Liverpool was the best followed by Manchester , Birmingham and then York My detailed review of the Liverpool show should be appearing at www.dprp.net/concrev/index.phpby Friday evening |
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Post by TM on May 23, 2014 10:07:42 GMT -5
Ian and Ryan singing Aqualung: Not sure if that's Florian on guitar or Jonathon Noyce. |
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Post by Preston Platform on May 23, 2014 16:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by TM on May 23, 2014 20:39:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the link to another well written review Elwyn. I appreciate your reviews for their honesty as you're not afraid to express the concerns that most long-ime ardent Tull fans feel. |
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Post by TM on May 23, 2014 20:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by Morthoron on May 23, 2014 21:39:00 GMT -5
Ian and Ryan singing Aqualung: Not sure if that's Florian on guitar or Jonathon Noyce. Time to put that song to bed. I'd rather remember the fiery renditions of this song I saw 35 or even 25 years ago. There is nothing redeemable or enjoyable listening to this, neither poor Ian's gasps nor the choir boy who sings along with him. |
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