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Post by Biggles on Feb 3, 2015 23:37:18 GMT -5
Are we not the core fans? I'd love a mix of Tull and solo. But of course, as has been stated, a really new setlist has been asked for a lot. One can Always Hope (yep, in capitals)!! Pieter Yes, we are the core fans, which means we'd be the only people interested in an a sole IA solo tour. Yeah, too bad it all comes down to tickey sales. Ian just doesn't strike me as a guy that would do a scaled down tour featuring Ian solo only. Although I could be wrong. No matter what, there's always going to be the clowns that will feel let down, even if the promos, tickets, and the marquee all read "Ian plays Ian solo material ONLY". But I've seen Ray Davies do it! |
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Post by Non Rabbit on Feb 6, 2015 17:30:23 GMT -5
In a sense Ian Anderson was Tull. The band would have had no longevity without Ian. If Mick Abrahams had won the power struggle they would have ended their life as a blues band soon after, like Blodwyn Pig. Wild Turkey did not fare much better.
Ian was the genius behind the songs and direction. I don't go with the other guys just being hired hands, it was much more than that. Tull had many great characters that shaped the image and music, but it's strange that only now when Tull are history that shared writing credits are being mentioned. If you are in a band and worth your salt then you should come up with a guitar/keyboard solo or some nifty drumming when required.
Odd that Martin's classic guitar solo on Aqualung is now being classed by him as a form of song writing. Martin himself talked about the recording process for TAAB recalling that Ian would write a section, bring it to the band members who would practice and, also in parts, develop the piece that Ian conceived.
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Post by TM on Feb 8, 2015 11:54:38 GMT -5
In a sense Ian Anderson was Tull. The band would have had no longevity without Ian. If Mick Abrahams had won the power struggle they would have ended their life as a blues band soon after, like Blodwyn Pig. Wild Turkey did not fare much better. Ian was the genius behind the songs and direction. I don't go with the other guys just being hired hands, it was much more than that. Tull had many great characters that shaped the image and music, but it's strange that only now when Tull are history that shared writing credits are being mentioned. If you are in a band and worth your salt then you should come up with a guitar/keyboard solo or some nifty drumming when required. Odd that Martin's classic guitar solo on Aqualung is now being classed by him as a form of song writing. Martin himself talked about the recording process for TAAB recalling that Ian would write a section, bring it to the band members who would practice and, also in parts, develop the piece that Ian conceived. I haven't heard what you're referring to with Martin. Can you post a link to an article? |
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Post by Non Rabbit on Feb 9, 2015 6:17:57 GMT -5
In a sense Ian Anderson was Tull. The band would have had no longevity without Ian. If Mick Abrahams had won the power struggle they would have ended their life as a blues band soon after, like Blodwyn Pig. Wild Turkey did not fare much better. Ian was the genius behind the songs and direction. I don't go with the other guys just being hired hands, it was much more than that. Tull had many great characters that shaped the image and music, but it's strange that only now when Tull are history that shared writing credits are being mentioned. If you are in a band and worth your salt then you should come up with a guitar/keyboard solo or some nifty drumming when required. Odd that Martin's classic guitar solo on Aqualung is now being classed by him as a form of song writing. Martin himself talked about the recording process for TAAB recalling that Ian would write a section, bring it to the band members who would practice and, also in parts, develop the piece that Ian conceived. I haven't heard what you're referring to with Martin. Can you post a link to an article? To which point? If it's regarding the Aqualung guitar solo being a written piece then I'm afraid I can't remember exactly where I read this. However a quick google brought this up www.classicrockrevisited.com/show_interview.php?id=116Similarly with the Heavy Horses guitar solo (somewhere) As far as the recording process for TAAB, I refer to the interviews with Ian, JHH and Martin on the late night extra edtion of TAAB tagged on after the live recording. On this Martin describes "learning" the parts and not knowing what would be coming next. Ian talks about writing the album in stages sometimes just hours before presenting it to the band. |
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Post by TM on Feb 10, 2015 16:49:55 GMT -5
I haven't heard what you're referring to with Martin. Can you post a link to an article? To which point? If it's regarding the Aqualung guitar solo being a written piece then I'm afraid I can't remember exactly where I read this. However a quick google brought this up www.classicrockrevisited.com/show_interview.php?id=116Similarly with the Heavy Horses guitar solo (somewhere) As far as the recording process for TAAB, I refer to the interviews with Ian, JHH and Martin on the late night extra edtion of TAAB tagged on after the live recording. On this Martin describes "learning" the parts and not knowing what would be coming next. Ian talks about writing the album in stages sometimes just hours before presenting it to the band. I was referring to where you said you thought it was "Odd that Martin's classic guitar solo on Aqualung is now being classed by him as a form of song writing.? I was wondering if you were suggesting that Martin was now requesting some sort of acknowledgment. I think it's common knowledge that other than the chords, Martin writes all the guitar parts. I think I read something fairly recently where Martin stated that Ian rarely asked him to change any of his parts, but on that rare occasion when he did, he was right. As for TAAB, that was an album was described by Ian years ago as being very much a band effort, compared to other albums like Minstrel or Crest of a Knave. |
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Post by Non Rabbit on Feb 17, 2015 18:06:40 GMT -5
To which point? If it's regarding the Aqualung guitar solo being a written piece then I'm afraid I can't remember exactly where I read this. However a quick google brought this up www.classicrockrevisited.com/show_interview.php?id=116Similarly with the Heavy Horses guitar solo (somewhere) As far as the recording process for TAAB, I refer to the interviews with Ian, JHH and Martin on the late night extra edtion of TAAB tagged on after the live recording. On this Martin describes "learning" the parts and not knowing what would be coming next. Ian talks about writing the album in stages sometimes just hours before presenting it to the band. I was referring to where you said you thought it was "Odd that Martin's classic guitar solo on Aqualung is now being classed by him as a form of song writing.? I was wondering if you were suggesting that Martin was now requesting some sort of acknowledgment. I think it's common knowledge that other than the chords, Martin writes all the guitar parts. I think I read something fairly recently where Martin stated that Ian rarely asked him to change any of his parts, but on that rare occasion when he did, he was right. As for TAAB, that was an album was described by Ian years ago as being very much a band effort, compared to other albums like Minstrel or Crest of a Knave. Yes, I probably am thinking that Martin, now forging ahead on his own, is looking for recognition for his work with Tull. No argument from me on that score, however what I wonder is if he is overplaying the songwriting aspect. Not that I read much about Tull nowadays and to be fair to Martin i think he is being driven by the interviewers to reveal something that is not there between Ian and him. Ian's recollection of the past varies a good amount at times. Recently he has been pretty bullish about who was responsible forTull's songs. At that was him. TAAB was a band effort I would agree, the cover work, keyboard, drums, guitar. But all after the music was presented to them by Ian and as has been said if you are in a top band you should produce some work to take a song forward, a lick here a riff there. There are very good band contributions to side 1 of MITG, the intro by Martin and the drums in particular. Still think it is odd that a guitar solo especially one apparently done off the cuff in one take (despite the protestations of Terry Ellis) should be viewed as a form of song writing. Ian, despite the flaws of the last two albums, seems to be able to write original material fairly easily and It's not difficult to link the styles of the songs to Jethro Tull stuff. Martin's own music takes another direction. |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Feb 18, 2015 0:41:12 GMT -5
I was referring to where you said you thought it was "Odd that Martin's classic guitar solo on Aqualung is now being classed by him as a form of song writing.? I was wondering if you were suggesting that Martin was now requesting some sort of acknowledgment. I think it's common knowledge that other than the chords, Martin writes all the guitar parts. I think I read something fairly recently where Martin stated that Ian rarely asked him to change any of his parts, but on that rare occasion when he did, he was right. As for TAAB, that was an album was described by Ian years ago as being very much a band effort, compared to other albums like Minstrel or Crest of a Knave. Yes, I probably am thinking that Martin, now forging ahead on his own, is looking for recognition for his work with Tull. No argument from me on that score, however what I wonder is if he is overplaying the songwriting aspect. Not that I read much about Tull nowadays and to be fair to Martin i think he is being driven by the interviewers to reveal something that is not there between Ian and him. There wasn't many interviews with Martin over the years due to Ian always having a lot to say about everything from Tull to luggage to ice cream to world politics to chili peppers. So in a way we are just now getting to know Martin, now the he is the focus of the interviews. He has to sell himself now so it's not surprising that he would champion his roll in Tull these days, and I would think that what he says is probably true. |
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Post by Non Rabbit on Feb 18, 2015 11:28:28 GMT -5
Yes, I probably am thinking that Martin, now forging ahead on his own, is looking for recognition for his work with Tull. No argument from me on that score, however what I wonder is if he is overplaying the songwriting aspect. Not that I read much about Tull nowadays and to be fair to Martin i think he is being driven by the interviewers to reveal something that is not there between Ian and him. There wasn't many interviews with Martin over the years due to Ian always having a lot to say about everything from Tull to luggage to ice cream to world politics to chili peppers. So in a way we are just now getting to know Martin, now the he is the focus of the interviews. He has to sell himself now so it's not surprising that he would champion his roll in Tull these days, and I would think that what he says is probably true. Yep, that's more or less what I've been saying in the last few posts on here. I had a decent bundle of press cuttings now in the hands of the guys from The Boy Scout Manual. The interviews almost always were given by Ian, so I appreciate Martin feeling the need to step out the shadows and I think the band efforts made a lot of the music stand out but I'm not eluding myself that virtually all the songs were written by Ian. And where Ian can still easily write original new material (with flaws) it would not surprise me if Martin's next album were a New Day live effort featuring Tull songs with a twist. |
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Post by TM on Feb 18, 2015 16:28:05 GMT -5
I was referring to where you said you thought it was "Odd that Martin's classic guitar solo on Aqualung is now being classed by him as a form of song writing.? I was wondering if you were suggesting that Martin was now requesting some sort of acknowledgment. I think it's common knowledge that other than the chords, Martin writes all the guitar parts. I think I read something fairly recently where Martin stated that Ian rarely asked him to change any of his parts, but on that rare occasion when he did, he was right. As for TAAB, that was an album was described by Ian years ago as being very much a band effort, compared to other albums like Minstrel or Crest of a Knave. Yes, I probably am thinking that Martin, now forging ahead on his own, is looking for recognition for his work with Tull. No argument from me on that score, however what I wonder is if he is overplaying the songwriting aspect. Not that I read much about Tull nowadays and to be fair to Martin i think he is being driven by the interviewers to reveal something that is not there between Ian and him. Ian's recollection of the past varies a good amount at times. Recently he has been pretty bullish about who was responsible forTull's songs. At that was him. TAAB was a band effort I would agree, the cover work, keyboard, drums, guitar. But all after the music was presented to them by Ian and as has been said if you are in a top band you should produce some work to take a song forward, a lick here a riff there. There are very good band contributions to side 1 of MITG, the intro by Martin and the drums in particular. Still think it is odd that a guitar solo especially one apparently done off the cuff in one take (despite the protestations of Terry Ellis) should be viewed as a form of song writing. Ian, despite the flaws of the last two albums, seems to be able to write original material fairly easily and It's not difficult to link the styles of the songs to Jethro Tull stuff. Martin's own music takes another direction. I'm not sure how they determine who get's writing credits. But I have to say I was surprised to see that Martin gave his entire band song writing credit on his Away With Words release. Maybe that was done to distinguish himself as a band leader from Ian? |
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Post by Non Rabbit on Feb 18, 2015 17:41:05 GMT -5
Yes, I probably am thinking that Martin, now forging ahead on his own, is looking for recognition for his work with Tull. No argument from me on that score, however what I wonder is if he is overplaying the songwriting aspect. Not that I read much about Tull nowadays and to be fair to Martin i think he is being driven by the interviewers to reveal something that is not there between Ian and him. Ian's recollection of the past varies a good amount at times. Recently he has been pretty bullish about who was responsible forTull's songs. At that was him. TAAB was a band effort I would agree, the cover work, keyboard, drums, guitar. But all after the music was presented to them by Ian and as has been said if you are in a top band you should produce some work to take a song forward, a lick here a riff there. There are very good band contributions to side 1 of MITG, the intro by Martin and the drums in particular. Still think it is odd that a guitar solo especially one apparently done off the cuff in one take (despite the protestations of Terry Ellis) should be viewed as a form of song writing. Ian, despite the flaws of the last two albums, seems to be able to write original material fairly easily and It's not difficult to link the styles of the songs to Jethro Tull stuff. Martin's own music takes another direction. I'm not sure how they determine who get's writing credits. But I have to say I was surprised to see that Martin gave his entire band song writing credit on his Away With Words release. Maybe that was done to distinguish himself as a band leader from Ian? I had no idea this was the case. Interesting, and perhaps the reason for Martin doing this is as you suggest. There is a you tube interview i watched recently where Martin is pressed to talk about writing credits and royalties. He is careful with his answers but is prepared to talk at length about his and others input into Tull's music and how they were not credited. He has also described Tull's music as his legacy. I know it must have been hard to get a word in when Ian was around, but only now this area of the Tull music is being pried open. I'm sure it was The Spice Girls who only had to change a couple of words of a song to get writing credits. |
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