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Post by TM on Aug 5, 2014 11:57:33 GMT -5
You're right Mix this is a remix, and the rest were all remasters. I lost track. All I know is there have been 20-something Tull re-releases in the last 14 years. I won't be purchasing any further remixes/remasters/rehashes/regurgitations from Tull. APP was the last, due to the uniqueness of the material, and because it is decidedly different from the previously released material. There is nothing on subsequent releases that will be that unique or unheard or better sounding, really. Most of the muddy studio work occurred previous to War Child, as were all the really great "unreleased" material, much of which appeared on EPs or as singles previous to 1974. The nominal uptick in sound quality is not worth dishing out another $30 or $40 bucks to hear March the Mad Scientist or Beltane grafted on their appropriate sessions. I never cared much for the songs when I heard them on the 20th Anniversary extravaganza. Agreed. That's it on the re-issues and elaborate packaging. |
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Post by Michael Crowe on Aug 5, 2014 13:34:20 GMT -5
You're right Mix this is a remix, and the rest were all remasters. I lost track. All I know is there have been 20-something Tull re-releases in the last 14 years. I won't be purchasing any further remixes/remasters/rehashes/regurgitations from Tull. APP was the last, due to the uniqueness of the material, and because it is decidedly different from the previously released material. There is nothing on subsequent releases that will be that unique or unheard or better sounding, really. Most of the muddy studio work occurred previous to War Child, as were all the really great "unreleased" material, much of which appeared on EPs or as singles previous to 1974. The nominal uptick in sound quality is not worth dishing out another $30 or $40 bucks to hear March the Mad Scientist or Beltane grafted on their appropriate sessions. I never cared much for the songs when I heard them on the 20th Anniversary extravaganza. I generally agree, however, I remember the remixes from the early 90s which were good and especially the song SFTW where we got to hear parts added that Martin and David played that really added to the feel of the song - should have been left in originally. So I suppose it would depend on the album. SFTW is a particularly dense work and would benefit from a remix, so I would definately by that one, HH and SW. |
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Post by Mix on Aug 5, 2014 17:17:12 GMT -5
You're right Mix this is a remix, and the rest were all remasters. I lost track. All I know is there have been 20-something Tull re-releases in the last 14 years. I won't be purchasing any further remixes/remasters/rehashes/regurgitations from Tull. APP was the last, due to the uniqueness of the material, and because it is decidedly different from the previously released material. There is nothing on subsequent releases that will be that unique or unheard or better sounding, really. Most of the muddy studio work occurred previous to War Child, as were all the really great "unreleased" material, much of which appeared on EPs or as singles previous to 1974. The nominal uptick in sound quality is not worth dishing out another $30 or $40 bucks to hear March the Mad Scientist or Beltane grafted on their appropriate sessions. I never cared much for the songs when I heard them on the 20th Anniversary extravaganza. I didn't bother with remasters but the remixes by SW are a different matter altogether. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the catalogue coming out this way. |
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Post by Geoff CB on Aug 8, 2014 19:00:44 GMT -5
I was testing out my surround sound the other night, as the back left speaker had a loose wire. I put on APP DVD, "just to test the sound" and of course, I listened right through. I skipped "The Hare...", but ended up watching the film anyway! It's just so good...
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Post by Geoff CB on Aug 12, 2014 21:16:59 GMT -5
I received the vinyl yesterday. Strange deja vu, as I don't think I've ever replaced my original copy from 1973.
Sounds really good, though there are one or two little pressing glitches. But I always clean vinyl, new or old, and I couldn't wait to do that! Low bass is not as prominent as the original, but mids and highs are much clearer.
I was just going to test the record, but of course, I played it right through. Side One had an unexpected ending, as "the Hare" starts on side 2. I've decided after all these years that I prefer side 2! And Martin's guitar in Magus Perde (?), wow, like a garage band!
Geoff
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 1, 2014 17:38:03 GMT -5
So what tracks are missing from the chateau sessions? Look at the animals and Law of the bungle? Not sure why they would leave these out
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Post by Prompter on Oct 1, 2014 19:18:53 GMT -5
Nothing is missing, it has just been renamed as it was originally labeled on the tapes. What was "Look at the Animals" on the 1993 issue is "Law of the Bungle I" now, I think.
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Post by Dan on Oct 1, 2014 19:23:59 GMT -5
So what tracks are missing from the chateau sessions? Look at the animals and Law of the bungle? Not sure why they would leave these out Not sure where you heard they were missing. They are there. Look at the Animals is included with Law of the Bungle Part 1: Disc: 2 1. The Big Top 2. Scenario 3. Audition 4. Skating Away 5. Sailor 6. No Rehearsal 7. Left Right 8. Solitaire 9. Critique Oblique (Part I) 10. Critique Oblique (Part II) 11. Animelee (1st Dance) [Instrumental] 12. Animelee (2nd Dance) [Instrumental] 13. Law Of The Bungle (Part I) 14. Tiger 15. Law Of The Bungle (Part II) |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 2, 2014 3:43:09 GMT -5
Is big top the untitled instrumental which was on minstrel in the red house?
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Post by Prompter on Oct 2, 2014 16:15:33 GMT -5
Yes, it is. The Minstrel in the Red House bootleg features what was supposed to be Side 1 of the original double Passion Play album.
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 2, 2014 18:09:00 GMT -5
I'll have to get this now. It's amazing how much music tull produced each year. Pretty much averaged 2 albums worth every year up until about 1982
1968-1.5 albums
1969-1.5 albums
1970-1.5 albums
1971-2 albums
1972-1 album
1973-2 albums
1974-3 albums
1975-1.5 albums
1976-1.5 albums
1977-1 album
1978-1.5 albums
1979-1.5 albums
1980-1 album
1982-3 albums
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 14:22:08 GMT -5
So what tracks are missing from the chateau sessions? Look at the animals and Law of the bungle? Not sure why they would leave these out Not sure where you heard they were missing. They are there. Look at the Animals is included with Law of the Bungle Part 1: Disc: 2 1. The Big Top 2. Scenario 3. Audition 4. Skating Away 5. Sailor 6. No Rehearsal 7. Left Right 8. Solitaire 9. Critique Oblique (Part I) 10. Critique Oblique (Part II) 11. Animelee (1st Dance) [Instrumental] 12. Animelee (2nd Dance) [Instrumental] 13. Law Of The Bungle (Part I) 14. Tiger 15. Law Of The Bungle (Part II) Is the recording of Skating Away on the new release the same as the recording on the Warchild album? |
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Post by TM on Oct 4, 2014 16:19:13 GMT -5
Not sure where you heard they were missing. They are there. Look at the Animals is included with Law of the Bungle Part 1: Disc: 2 1. The Big Top 2. Scenario 3. Audition 4. Skating Away 5. Sailor 6. No Rehearsal 7. Left Right 8. Solitaire 9. Critique Oblique (Part I) 10. Critique Oblique (Part II) 11. Animelee (1st Dance) [Instrumental] 12. Animelee (2nd Dance) [Instrumental] 13. Law Of The Bungle (Part I) 14. Tiger 15. Law Of The Bungle (Part II) Is the recording of Skating Away on the new release the same as the recording on the Warchild album? No Kai, it's slightly different although I don't remember the specific differences! |
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Post by Dan on Oct 4, 2014 16:35:38 GMT -5
Is the recording of Skating Away on the new release the same as the recording on the Warchild album? No Kai, it's slightly different although I don't remember the specific differences! It is a little more acoustic. I believe the vocals did not change. Missing is the intro of Ian humming/singing, stirring coffee/tea, a 3 second cymbal and acoustic guitar strum starts it off, there is more flute in the background started earlier at the "...cause you were bred.." part and throughout as opposed to the Warchild version that has some later, about ..."And as you cross the wilderness.." part . It is missing some electric guitar chords and the Warchild version cranks up the accordion and what sounds to me like bongos or congas. If any of that helps. I would like the Warchild version with the extra flute backing from the Chateau Tapes. Dan |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 4, 2014 18:23:19 GMT -5
Just ordered this remix set. Would be great to hear big top and sailor properly and to have an improved sound for all the chateau songs. Waiting for Warchild now. I also have the aqualung 2 cd remix. I downloaded the quad album from the expanded aqualung 40 year box. Not sure why the full set was $150. Warchild is only $40 and is a similar size apart from the vinyl. But I don't even have a record player. I reckon every aqualung song on side 2 sounds better as quad. Side 1 of the original was always an 8.5/10 but side 2 was an average 6/10 imo. But I give side 2 on the quad close to 8/10. The vocals sound a lot better and the guitar is less overbearing
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Post by Geoff CB on Oct 4, 2014 19:35:10 GMT -5
You're right Mix this is a remix, and the rest were all remasters. I lost track. All I know is there have been 20-something Tull re-releases in the last 14 years. I won't be purchasing any further remixes/remasters/rehashes/regurgitations from Tull. APP was the last, due to the uniqueness of the material, and because it is decidedly different from the previously released material. There is nothing on subsequent releases that will be that unique or unheard or better sounding, really. Most of the muddy studio work occurred previous to War Child, as were all the really great "unreleased" material, much of which appeared on EPs or as singles previous to 1974. The nominal uptick in sound quality is not worth dishing out another $30 or $40 bucks to hear March the Mad Scientist or Beltane grafted on their appropriate sessions. I never cared much for the songs when I heard them on the 20th Anniversary extravaganza. I see your point, however, digital techniques have come a long way, and I think try to listen to any new SW remixes first, before dismissing them. Then decide! Luckily for me (and unluckily for my wallet), I like nearly all of what I hear from these remixes. Geoff |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 4, 2014 20:23:53 GMT -5
You're right Mix this is a remix, and the rest were all remasters. I lost track. All I know is there have been 20-something Tull re-releases in the last 14 years. I won't be purchasing any further remixes/remasters/rehashes/regurgitations from Tull. APP was the last, due to the uniqueness of the material, and because it is decidedly different from the previously released material. There is nothing on subsequent releases that will be that unique or unheard or better sounding, really. Most of the muddy studio work occurred previous to War Child, as were all the really great "unreleased" material, much of which appeared on EPs or as singles previous to 1974. The nominal uptick in sound quality is not worth dishing out another $30 or $40 bucks to hear March the Mad Scientist or Beltane grafted on their appropriate sessions. I never cared much for the songs when I heard them on the 20th Anniversary extravaganza. The 12 unreleased tracks plus the quad album on Warchild is a great reason to get this one |
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Post by Stjerky on Oct 19, 2014 15:39:45 GMT -5
I think TOTR&R would benefit from a new mix and mastering. It's somehow thin sounding.
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 20, 2014 16:59:49 GMT -5
Isn't there any flute at all on the chateau tapes?  ? |
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Post by TM on Oct 20, 2014 20:11:15 GMT -5
Isn't there any flute at all on the chateau tapes? ? Yes T. The original flute is still there. It's the flute Ian added in 1988 or so that was removed. |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 21, 2014 2:01:14 GMT -5
Isn't there any flute at all on the chateau tapes? ? Yes T. The original flute is still there. It's the flute Ian added in 1988 or so that was removed. Good  It sounded like all the flutes were addedin the 80s reading this thread lol |
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Post by Dan on Oct 21, 2014 8:33:22 GMT -5
Yes T. The original flute is still there. It's the flute Ian added in 1988 or so that was removed. Good It sounded like all the flutes were addedin the 80s reading this thread lol I believe there is only flute in the songs, "The Big Top" and "Skating Away." All the other flute parts are missing. Dan |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Oct 27, 2014 4:23:00 GMT -5
Finally got the remix. Just listened to chateau. Remixes sound great. Would have liked the flute parts kept though because Ian would have added flute if the album was released at the time anyway. But only Look at the animals sounds slightly empty without the flute. All the others sound fine still
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Post by eepie on Mar 1, 2015 22:19:10 GMT -5
i need to own this. i've been listening to the Chateau recordings from Nightcap pretty much constantly for the past few weeks (with an occasional Minstrel interlude), and i just can't get it out of my head. it thrills me to no end. i lost my cd copy of APP a while ago somehow, but i have a downloaded live show that i have given a couple of listens to just to hear the damn thing again. it's an audience recording with the usual annoyances that accompany that particular animal, but it's really not too bad. I got it here, if anyone is interested: Up the Downstair blog - recorded July 23, 1973 at the Oakland Coliseum. anyway, annoyances aside, it drives me crazy hearing this because it is so friggin perfectly executed, but i will never be able to SEE it. i certainly wasn't old enough at the time (i was 5!). those of you who were there... i don't even know what to say except i envy you eternally. i would give anything to see this. at that blog link above, there are included youtube video links for some audience recorded super 8 footage that was put together and synced up with the sound, but those particular links are marked "private" at this point. description from the blog: One particularly intrepid fan has assembled the amateur films to create the closest thing to a live performance of the album we have. The “Lifebeats” section is presented in all its glory with the light on the screen and the ballerina footage, though it’s not as crisp and clear as we’d like. The viewer is also treated to Ian Anderson in his Mad Dog Fagin prime, hopping about in between bouts of flute, saxophone, and guitar playing. Plus there Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond leaping around the stage with his stylish Panama hat. Too bad John Evans’ maniacal clown expressions are lost. does anyone know if this footage is available elsewhere?! i have seen the hare who lost his spectacles video, and i'll take anything else i can get!
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Post by LJG on Apr 6, 2015 17:16:57 GMT -5
I love reading eepie's posts. They always get me excited to go listen to things one more time with fresh ears. |
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