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Post by TM on Oct 2, 2015 22:39:11 GMT -5
THE TURNSTILE GATE One door opens, another one closes; you buy your ticket to No-Way-Back. Make Dad proud as you wonder aloud on the steely rails of the new straight track. I have to accept these realities; the changes that urban anthills ring. Colonies happy as Larry, the plentiful lamb. in rite of passage, new rite of spring. I sit and gaze at that far horizon where on opposite balcony black crows wait watching the man sit in puzzled reflection as the ratchet clicks on the turnstile gate. I have to accept these realities; the changes that urban anthills ring. Colonies happy as Larry, the plentiful lamb. in rite of passage, new rite of spring. Clock not for turning, lessons for learning no way down on the up-escalator. No abort switch, no power-off switch foot hard down on the accelerator. Lost your bottle? Forward throttle through jaws of the turnstile alligator. Hare in the wine cup? |
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Post by Tullabye on Oct 3, 2015 23:52:35 GMT -5
Quirky, interesting and rocking hard and as always very different. Still nobody like Ian. We all are pretty fortunate to have one of our true music heroes outlast and outwork the whole lot. The new songs are all pretty freakin good. Thanks for posting all of them.
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Post by Icy Lucifer on Oct 4, 2015 9:32:34 GMT -5
...The new songs are all pretty freakin good.... Yes, it's amazing what Googling "What rhymes with..." comes up with. Entire sets of otherwise unrelated lyrics, apparently. Musically the new tracks sound to me like they have been randomly fished out of the the reject bin from Evita. Icy L |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 10:59:14 GMT -5
THE TURNSTILE GATE One door opens, another one closes; you buy your ticket to No-Way-Back. Make Dad proud as you wonder aloud on the steely rails of the new straight track. I have to accept these realities; the changes that urban anthills ring. Colonies happy as Larry, the plentiful lamb. in rite of passage, new rite of spring. I sit and gaze at that far horizon where on opposite balcony black crows wait watching the man sit in puzzled reflection as the ratchet clicks on the turnstile gate. I have to accept these realities; the changes that urban anthills ring. Colonies happy as Larry, the plentiful lamb. in rite of passage, new rite of spring. Clock not for turning, lessons for learning no way down on the up-escalator. No abort switch, no power-off switch foot hard down on the accelerator. Lost your bottle? Forward throttle through jaws of the turnstile alligator. Hare in the wine cup? Not a bad song musically, but I don't like the female vocalist - her singing is shrill and annoying - and I cannot connect to these lyrics, in the same way I couldn't with most of the Homo Erraticus lyrics. Some terrible rhymes here too (escalator, accelerator, alligator), very atypical of Ian's best songwriting. Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 11:04:31 GMT -5
I'm not so sure Mike. Here's Ian discussing the topic: So there you have it. He's saying just how uncomfortable the use of the name has made him and yet he continues to perpetuate the situation that causes him to feel uncomfortable. Well, I was being my sarcastic self, but I think he's just blowing smoke again. He's never been all that uncomfortable with it has he. He could have gotten off that train in 1980 and several times thereafter. Just an excuse to drop Tull but still keep Tull around for the check when needed. Just more blah blah I would think. I'm not buying into much of anything anymore ..... except the (hopefully) forthcoming eventual SFTW remix. His supposed discomfort, after all these years, with using the name 'Jethro Tull' seems like a contrivance to justify his ending the group. Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 11:11:30 GMT -5
You what, love? Yes, it really is this bad. Hint: lose the fucking sunglasses Ian. Maybe he doesn't wanna see it either. Wonder what the cousins in the colonies will make of it all? Icy L This is such a difficult thing to write, as I'm not just a fan of Tull but a genuine admirer of IA's drive and ambition but, when I listen to that terrible, terrible recording (and others like it, clogging up Youtube), it actually makes me quite angry! Yes, it's his music to do what he likes with. Yes, it's none of my damn business, unless I buy a ticket. Yes, he can point to his loyal fanbase, who are still coming to his concerts. Yes he can get people in to try and cover up his short-comings but, fuck my old boots, that's atrocious! I feel for the guy, I really do. He knows (he must know) how bad it sounds. I'm a musician myself, and I know how I'd feel, if I wasn't able to perform any more, but he's demolishing his legacy and destroying the patient solidarity his fans have shown him despite the list of bizarre decisions taken by him, or in his name, throughout the years. On the other hand... What can he do? He wants to play, he wants to perform - Fair play to him, at this stage! He's not willing to "Shut Up and Play his Flute", or he'd have done that by now. The poor old sod's just going to keep going, I suspect, and who are we to tell him not to? More studio, less touring? More acoustic, less rock? More Ryan & Co., less desperate phrasing and struggling like an old terrapin, coming up for air? All of those suggestions or fewer or none, but I'll never go again: it's too painful to listen to or watch. As Lennon said: at least we've got all the old records. Ian is going about addressing his decline in vocal power the wrong way. Rather than have a guy like Ryan, or this kind of "singing by committee", he should have enlisted Paul Forrest (DayGlo Pirates) or Tony Garone (Heresy) as a full time lead singer, with Ian occasionally joining in on backing vocals. That would have been a viable way forward and an added benefit is that both Paul and Tony also play flute, so you could have "dueling Ian's" old Ian v. young Ian on both vocals and flute. These two guys are without question the two top Ian Anderson impersonators, they both sang at last year's convention and their vocal resemblance to the younger Ian is uncanny. There is already a precedent for this type of thing with Yes, and there is also a video of Paul Forrest playing the young Ian onstage at a guest appearance, with old Ian joining in at the end of the song, and it worked very well. He can still do this! Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 11:18:35 GMT -5
I've seen IA on Paladia this month billed as Ian Anderson's Jethro Tull. Yuk! That sounds like John Kay's Steppenwolf, Jim Dandy's black Oak Arkansas, or Barak Obama's America. I hope IA isn't being billed this way these days. For the Detroit area show they're billed strictly as "Jethro Tull" with no caveats. I raised an eyebrow when I got the email notification. I think it's time to officially retire from Tull fandom. One can only spend so much time living in the past. Greg, You can retire from Tull fandom without necessarily retiring from Tull Boardom. Pun intended. Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 11:21:26 GMT -5
Having seen both the '77 Songs from the Wood (D. Palmer's inaugural tour) and '79 Stormwatch (Dave Pegg!) tours, I cannot simply turn off my memories and stomach what I am seeing on the current videos. When one sees concerts that were truly great (and I bemoan the fact I was too young to see earlier shows, which from videos prove to be at par or usually even better than the ones I've seen), one can only go back to the trough for nostalgia's sake for so long. And Ian has been living off nostalgia at least the past decade: remaking or remixing old albums, rewriting songs, gasping for wind as he grasps for money. I managed to make it up to Rupi's Dance (and the really fun Rubbing Elbows tour) and enjoyed Orchestral Tull at the splendid Detroit Opera House, but since I've grown increasingly disenchanted, even hostile to this mockery. Ian deciding to come to Detroit and calling his nondescript union-scale back-up band Jethro Tull was the nail in the coffin. So, I suppose I feel I have nothing left to offer discussion-wise regarding this crap, except for negativity and angry outbursts. Talking about this just makes me bitter. I bid you all adieu and thank you for putting up with me for so long. In the immortal words of Bilbo Baggins, "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!" May we meet again. Negativity and angry outbursts are okay, it's a discussion board and open to all expressions of opinion. So....reconsider. Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 11:30:33 GMT -5
PROSPEROUS PASTURE Bought ourselves a heavenly plot in Wiltshire plains of Shalbourne. Parcel of acres – not a lot – enough to raise a few cows and sheep and grow some corn, maybe to eke a living while Daddy works his strange ways as Daddies often do. Maybe I can learn to help with scientific learning. What the heck? It’s bio-tech, old tables now for turning. Experiment, try this, try that; inspired investigation. No good trying to jump off when the train has left the station. Here we wallow in prosperous pasture. Piggies sipping from a shallow trough. Tired old ways to modify and alter; greener hands both on and off. Nothing....I get nothing from these lyrics whatsoever. It was always Ian's words, his poetic insights, observations and philosophy, and his way with language and words that attracted me to Tull more, probably, than anything else. Now....nothing. Also, what I find most annoying is that you never used to see a multi-syllabic rhyme in Ian's songwriting (i.e., investigation/station), now you see that in all of his new songs. Ugh. Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 11:33:32 GMT -5
I can't believe I've lost interest after 41 years. 46 (!) years for me. I'm trying to hang on in there, and won't post any more clips after this one, because they are so easily available elsewhere. But I thought the sound was the best I'd heard on YT so far anyway, and anyone intending to go and see the show can have any doubt about what they're gonna get. Best regards to all, as ever, and thanks to the original uploader. See you all again when 2Old comes out. Icy L Cheers, Bob. Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 13, 2015 11:37:51 GMT -5
There seems to be only positive comments on FB.
After supporting the band for the past 40 years or so, I feel that Ian has finally "jumped the shark."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_sharkjump the shark
The usage of "jump the shark" has subsequently broadened beyond television, indicating the moment when a brand, design, franchise or creative effort's evolution declines.
1.
informal
(of a television series or movie) reach a point at which far-fetched events are included merely for the sake of novelty, indicative of a decline in quality.
Most people are polite and that's cool. Ian deserves it at his age and after all these years. This is just not something I can relate to any longer. I think the supportive response was to some extent out of sympathy and sadness for seeing a rock legend have to justify his performance. I felt a little sad that Ian saw the need to mathematically "prove" how much of the singing he does in this show. Jeff |
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Post by TM on Oct 22, 2015 9:31:25 GMT -5
There was a time when the last thing Ian wanted to do was explain how Tull got their name. That was then and this is now. link |
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Post by Biggles on Oct 22, 2015 10:01:47 GMT -5
There was a time when the last thing Ian wanted to do was explain how Tull got their name. That was then and this is now. linkHow's that tour selling Ian, or shall I say Galileo? |
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Post by TM on Oct 22, 2015 11:45:43 GMT -5
You gotta love this:“All these years later, I wanted to find something about him. I discovered that whether by fate or accident, many songs that I’ve written coincide with his life or career. I didn’t know at the time I wrote it that a song such as ‘Aqualung’ could actually relate to his bronchial disorder but it is all quite similar and there are quite a few of the songs that are like this. So I assembled them all together into this sort of an opera style show,” explained Anderson. So, I altered his life's work to suite my own interests, changed the lyrics to classic Tull tracks, and voiià! 
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Post by Biggles on Oct 22, 2015 16:04:04 GMT -5
You gotta love this:“All these years later, I wanted to find something about him. I discovered that whether by fate or accident, many songs that I’ve written coincide with his life or career. I didn’t know at the time I wrote it that a song such as ‘Aqualung’ could actually relate to his bronchial disorder but it is all quite similar and there are quite a few of the songs that are like this. So I assembled them all together into this sort of an opera style show,” explained Anderson. So, I altered his life's work to suite my own interests, changed the lyrics to classic Tull tracks, and voiià!
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Post by StanDup on Oct 22, 2015 17:25:28 GMT -5
Now that Martin is on his own and separate from Ian, I suspect that Martin will find more well known guitarist willing to show up at his gigs and jam with him without having to worry about satisfying Ian. In other words, jam on guitar oriented songs and not have to worry about stepping on Ian's toes, or heaven forbid, play too loud.
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Post by Biggles on Oct 22, 2015 19:46:33 GMT -5
Now that Martin is on his own and separate from Ian, I suspect that Martin will find more well known guitarist willing to show up at his gigs and jam with him without having to worry about satisfying Ian. In other words, jam on guitar oriented songs and not have to worry about stepping on Ian's toes, or heaven forbid, play too loud. Right, and the set list is all Martin. But while Ian is changing the lyric, Martin is only changing the arrangement. That's far more interesting to me. In the back of my mind I hope they'll reconcile. Opposites attract. Then again, who cares. True Tull fans don't care. What a fantastic body of work. |
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Post by TM on Oct 22, 2015 21:27:11 GMT -5
What the hell is this even? It's certainly not singing.
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Post by TM on Oct 22, 2015 21:35:27 GMT -5
Sorry but this is just pathetic. Seriously Ian?
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Post by Biggles on Oct 22, 2015 21:55:33 GMT -5
Cashing the check again. I can't knock the band but! ..Ian could've easily hired that girl to tour and sing the entire song and keep his turtle-neck strained vocal in check. And he bitches about Paul McCartney's ego. Ian, at least Paul can still sing!
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Post by Biggles on Oct 22, 2015 22:23:16 GMT -5
Sorry but this is just pathetic. Seriously Ian? Awful, you know, in spite of Pete Towshends misgivings he is a multi-media genius. His Quadraphenia tour w/ the Who is brilliant (on DVD) as I am quite sure the live performance was as I know people that were there. It's raised above the stage so that the actual performers are not wandeing around in front of the screen. And the quality is off the hook. This looks like a bad Japanese monster movie ...Godzilla meets Mothra! |
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Post by Dan on Oct 22, 2015 22:35:38 GMT -5
Sorry but this is just pathetic. Seriously Ian? The only way to protest is to not buy a ticket. But for everyone of me are 20 that think that I.A. gargling and rinsing or grunting out a number two is the most fantastic masterpiece that they have ever heard. I can't even watch 30 seconds of these clips. Add to the fact, the changing of lyrics and the pre recorded vocals ( I know, not all but about 30% because Ian counted) makes this a no show for me. A concert of Ian Anderson solo material , not this pseudo Tull , would be something to bring me back but it would never make a profit and will never materialize. The graphics and videos would be fine but leave off clips of a 40 year younger self and embrace the fact that I.A. is getting older. It has gotten so sad that I no longer care to read or hear any interviews any longer. Dan |
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Post by StanDup on Oct 23, 2015 0:04:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't watch much of it for too long either. I appreciate that he's making adjustments so I guess I'll keep checking his stuff out but I am far more interested in what Martin has to offer at this point.
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Post by Non Rabbit on Oct 23, 2015 7:03:32 GMT -5
The thread is becoming pretty sad, in a musical sense even tragic. Ian needs to have a serious reality check at the end of this project.
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Post by Nonfatman on Oct 23, 2015 15:28:53 GMT -5
Sorry but this is just pathetic. Seriously Ian? I didn't think this was that bad, except for when whoever that woman is started in. I hate her singing. Can Ian possibly have picked a worse female vocalist? Also, it is bizarre to see Ian singing on stage with three singing heads joining in behind him on a screen. Jeff |
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