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Post by Mothfairy on May 31, 2013 21:24:09 GMT -5
Oops guess I was too off topic for too long, sorry!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 22:39:39 GMT -5
Oops guess I was too off topic for too long, sorry! no need for apology off topics are cool! Just trying to promote the game a little.
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 1, 2013 9:21:24 GMT -5
Oops guess I was too off topic for too long, sorry! no need for apology off topics are cool! Just trying to promote the game a little. I will be casting my ballot in this round today or tomorrow. We've got to push forward from the seventies to the eighties already! Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 23:32:41 GMT -5
Good to see this up and rolling again.
1) Does the album break any new ground?
This Was was a british blues rock album with a lead flute. Pretty different at the time, I don't suppose Stormwatch really broke much ground. 1/0
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
Stormwatch has a lot of my favorites. Dark Ages was pretty adventurous, the sound of the whole album was great.
1/1
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme,
Stormwatch of course.
1/2
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
This Was would be more essential in terms of becoming familiar with the band.
2/2
5) How well-sung is the album?
I think Ian's voice is great on This Was, even if it is affected.
3/2
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
Stormwatch had the gay weatherman/reporter, seagulls, mist, water, and is at times a very atmospheric album.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Goes to stormwatch, great painting and concept.
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
Stormwatch again.
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
Stormwatch being a very serious album, this one goes to This Was for the odd menacing moments.
1 more vote for Stormwatch.
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 2, 2013 6:21:13 GMT -5
Good to see this up and rolling again. 1) Does the album break any new ground? This Was was a british blues rock album with a lead flute. Pretty different at the time, I don't suppose Stormwatch really broke much ground. 1/0 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? Stormwatch has a lot of my favorites. Dark Ages was pretty adventurous, the sound of the whole album was great. 1/1 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, Stormwatch of course. 1/2 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? This Was would be more essential in terms of becoming familiar with the band. 2/2 5) How well-sung is the album? I think Ian's voice is great on This Was, even if it is affected. 3/2 And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. Stormwatch had the gay weatherman/reporter, seagulls, mist, water, and is at times a very atmospheric album. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Goes to stormwatch, great painting and concept. 8) Production and sound quality of the album. Stormwatch again. 9) Does the album have a sense of humor? Stormwatch being a very serious album, this one goes to This Was for the odd menacing moments. 1 more vote for Stormwatch. Actually, Kai, under our point scoring system (two points for the winner of each of the first five categores, one point for the winner of the last four categories), you've given both albums 7 points, so your ballot counts as a tie, bringing our updated total to: SW - 2 votes, TW - 1 vote, Tie - 2 votesJeff
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 2, 2013 7:16:03 GMT -5
Okay, here is my scorecard:
The main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):
1) Does the album break any new ground?
This Was was a quirky, unusual album when it released, with its combination of jazz, blues and flute-rock and Roland Kirk influence. The album and accompanying tour received a lot of attention from critics. Stormwatch did not break any new ground in general, or even for Tull. The longer songs, like Dark Ages and Flying Dutchman, though great, were falling into what was already an established Tull forumla at that point. 2 points for TW.
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
This Was is an adventurous album, but overall Stormwatch has the consistently better and more complex songs. This Was has some pretty mediocre songs to go along with its great ones, songs like Someday the Sun Won't Shine for you, Move on Along, It's breaking me up and Round. There's nothing like that on SW; it is a more consistent album which gets my two points in this category.
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
Stormwatch lyrics and poetic imagery are among Ian's best. This Was lyrics are fairly standard for blues. Ian was not very concerned with lyrics at this point. Two points for SW.
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
Stornwatch may be Tull's most beautiful album, but I'm not sure that it is essential to the Tull catalogue. Dun Ringill and perhaps Dark Ages are the only songs that can be considered Tull classics, whereas TW has concert staples such as My Sunday Feeling, Beggar's Farm, Serenade to a Cuckoo, Song for Jeffrey and Dharma fo One. Two points to TW.
5) How well-sung is the album?
Ian's singing on both albums is great. I can't really say I prefer one over the other, so one point to each.
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
TW, for its eccentric sounds, claghorn and stuttering flute, gets one point.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Both albums have good cover art, but I've always loved the SW painting with the polar bear and angel. It was better appreciated on the vinyl of course, and there was a large poster of it that I used to have. 1 point to SW.
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
SW has the better production and sound quality, as far as my ears can tell. 1 point to SW
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
There's little humor in the lyrics of either album, but the front cover of TW is a humorous gag that warrants the one point in this category. 1 point to TW.
Subjectively I prefer SW, but adding up my points using our strictly objective nine-point system, it seems that I have scored the two albums equally at 7 points each, so it's another tie vote.
Current score:
SW- 2 votes, TW - 1 vote, Tie - 3 votes
Jeff
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Post by Heavy Horse on Jun 2, 2013 8:02:16 GMT -5
Ooh! It's tighter than you'd think!
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Post by Mothfairy on Jun 2, 2013 13:24:24 GMT -5
Okay, here is my scorecard: The main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point): 1) Does the album break any new ground?This Was was a quirky, unusual album when it released, with its combination of jazz, blues and flute-rock and Roland Kirk influence. The album and accompanying tour received a lot of attention from critics. Stormwatch did not break any new ground in general, or even for Tull. The longer songs, like Dark Ages and Flying Dutchman, though great, were falling into what was already an established Tull forumla at that point. 2 points for TW. 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?This Was is an adventurous album, but overall Stormwatch has the consistently better and more complex songs. This Was has some pretty mediocre songs to go along with its great ones, songs like Someday the Sun Won't Shine for you, Move on Along, It's breaking me up and Round. There's nothing like that on SW; it is a more consistent album which gets my two points in this category. 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.Stormwatch lyrics and poetic imagery are among Ian's best. This Was lyrics are fairly standard for blues. Ian was not very concerned with lyrics at this point. Two points for SW. 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?Stornwatch may be Tull's most beautiful album, but I'm not sure that it is essential to the Tull catalogue. Dun Ringill and perhaps Dark Ages are the only songs that can be considered Tull classics, whereas TW has concert staples such as My Sunday Feeling, Beggar's Farm, Serenade to a Cuckoo, Song for Jeffrey and Dharma fo One. Two points to TW. 5) How well-sung is the album?Ian's singing on both albums is great. I can't really say I prefer one over the other, so one point to each. And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.TW, for its eccentric sounds, claghorn and stuttering flute, gets one point. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.Both albums have good cover art, but I've always loved the SW painting with the polar bear and angel. It was better appreciated on the vinyl of course, and there was a large poster of it that I used to have. 1 point to SW. 8) Production and sound quality of the album.SW has the better production and sound quality, as far as my ears can tell. 1 point to SW 9) Does the album have a sense of humor?There's little humor in the lyrics of either album, but the front cover of TW is a humorous gag that warrants the one point in this category. 1 point to TW. Subjectively I prefer SW, but adding up my points using our strictly objective nine-point system, it seems that I have scored the two albums equally at 7 points each, so it's another tie vote. Current score: SW- 2 votes, TW - 1 vote, Tie - 3 votesJeff Since I have a hard time putting things in my own words with this, I think if I could express what I wanted to say I would've said exactly what you said. But only changing one thing so it put one higher than the other. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 14:45:47 GMT -5
Good to see this up and rolling again. 1) Does the album break any new ground? This Was was a british blues rock album with a lead flute. Pretty different at the time, I don't suppose Stormwatch really broke much ground. 1/0 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? Stormwatch has a lot of my favorites. Dark Ages was pretty adventurous, the sound of the whole album was great. 1/1 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, Stormwatch of course. 1/2 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? This Was would be more essential in terms of becoming familiar with the band. 2/2 5) How well-sung is the album? I think Ian's voice is great on This Was, even if it is affected. 3/2 And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. Stormwatch had the gay weatherman/reporter, seagulls, mist, water, and is at times a very atmospheric album. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Goes to stormwatch, great painting and concept. 8) Production and sound quality of the album. Stormwatch again. 9) Does the album have a sense of humor? Stormwatch being a very serious album, this one goes to This Was for the odd menacing moments. 1 more vote for Stormwatch. Actually, Kai, under our point scoring system (two points for the winner of each of the first five categores, one point for the winner of the last four categories), you've given both albums 7 points, so your ballot counts as a tie, bringing our updated total to: SW - 2 votes, TW - 1 vote, Tie - 2 votesJeff I wasnt paying attention :/
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Post by Morthoron on Jun 2, 2013 21:18:29 GMT -5
1) Does the album break any new ground?
This Was brought a decidedly jazzy influence into British blues-rock, particularly on the Roland Kirk number. Storm Watch doesn't break any ground really.
1 point for This Was.
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
Storm Watch has no blues or jazz riffs like on This Was, but it certainly has a Celtic feel about it
1 point for Storm Watch.
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning
Stormwatch.
1 point for Storm Watch.
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
This Was was the beginning of the classic age of Tull, Storm Watch was the ending, and that is sad. No one likes sad endings.
1 point for This Was.
5) How well-sung is the album?
You can hear the strain on Ian's voice in Storm Watch.
1 point for This Was.
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
This Was has a claghorn AND a blues harp.
This Was.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Stormwatch.
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
Stormwatch.
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
This Was.
And the winner is This Was.
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Post by Heavy Horse on Jun 12, 2013 11:00:53 GMT -5
Is that it? Oh well, see you in another few years!
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Post by TM on Jun 12, 2013 16:35:01 GMT -5
Is that it? Oh well, see you in another few years! lol. And even though Greg botched his scoring the results is still the same. So we're all even: Stormwatch 2 This Was 2 2 Ties
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 17:50:56 GMT -5
Is that it? Oh well, see you in another few years! lol. And even though Greg botched his scoring the results is still the same. So we're all even: Stormwatch 2 This Was 2 2 TiesStill and all I cant believe only 6 people did this.......Ill take the damn thing over again. ;-)
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Post by Morthoron on Jun 12, 2013 20:04:13 GMT -5
lol. And even though Greg botched his scoring the results is still the same. Hey, I'm an English Major, I don't go in for this useless math stuff.
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Post by TM on Jun 12, 2013 20:48:35 GMT -5
lol. And even though Greg botched his scoring the results is still the same.Hey, I'm an English Major, I don't go in for this useless math stuff. English Major? I guess you missed my faux pas?
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Post by TM on Jun 12, 2013 20:49:50 GMT -5
lol. And even though Greg botched his scoring the results is still the same. So we're all even: Stormwatch 2 This Was 2 2 TiesStill and all I cant believe only 6 people did this.......Ill take the damn thing over again. ;-) Hey! Were moving at the speed of Jeff! ;D
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Post by Mothfairy on Jun 13, 2013 10:21:06 GMT -5
I said I was going to do this darn thing so...
1) Does the album break any new ground?
1 TW
TW 2 SW 0
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
I like several songs on TW but SW is more consistent for me as in ease of listening.
1 SW
TW 2 SW 2
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning
1 for SW
TW 2 SW 4
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
1 TW
TW 2 SW 6
5) How well-sung is the album?
I like SW's vocals
1 SW
TW 2 SW 8
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
TW
TW 3 SW 8
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Both
TW 3 SW 8
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
SW
TW 3 SW 9
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
TW
TW 4 SW 9
Stormwatch wins I think? Did I do this right? I think so. Stormwatch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 17:37:22 GMT -5
Nice job Holly! Thanks for keeping it alive
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Post by Willie on Jun 13, 2013 20:48:30 GMT -5
1) Does the album break any new ground?
1 This Was. (the band Jethro Tull was definitely new ground...)
2 TW - 0 SW
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
I think they're are both equally adventurous, but in entirely different ways. Neither album is Tull's most adventurous, but both have a real vitatality to them... with a few duff tracks on each, (particulary Storwatch in my opinion) so 1 point each...
3 TW - 1 SW
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning
1 for Storm Watch
3 TW - 3 SW
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
1 This Was
5 TW - 3 SW
5) How well-sung is the album?
Both quite well sung, but in completely different ways. 1 point each
6 TW - 4 SW
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
1 point for This was. 0 for Stormwatch (although I do love all of D Palmer's arranging on Stormwatch! ...ironically though his one composition Elegy, I've always found to be a real sleeper)
7 TW - 4 SW
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Both
7 TW - 4 SW
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
mmm... I'd have to say This Was on this one, for it's wonderful in-your-face live feel.
8 TW - 4 SW
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
This Was
9 TW - 4 SW
So This Was I guess... An added bonus to TW, is that people who don't think they like Tull, can really dig TW... whereas Stormwatch is really the accumulation/end of an era... In other words: pure classic Tull. In other, other words... if you really don't like anything on Stormwatch, then you dont really like Jethro Tull. The 2 records are bookends to a long and truly great era. All the rest after SW is just wonderful gravy in my opinion.
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Post by TM on Jun 14, 2013 14:50:05 GMT -5
I said I was going to do this darn thing so... 1) Does the album break any new ground? 1 TW TW 2 SW 02) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? I like several songs on TW but SW is more consistent for me as in ease of listening. 1 SW TW 2 SW 23) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning 1 for SW TW 2 SW 44) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? 1 TW TW 2 SW 65) How well-sung is the album? I like SW's vocals 1 SW TW 2 SW 8And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. TW TW 3 SW 87) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Both TW 3 SW 88) Production and sound quality of the album. SW TW 3 SW 99) Does the album have a sense of humor? TW TW 4 SW 9Stormwatch wins I think? Did I do this right? I think so. Stormwatch. Hmmm, did you do this right? Well yes and no. We were hoping that people would state the basis for their decision rather than just pick one - BUT - we'll take it! Also note that I scored it for you at the bottom of each selection and will do the same for Willie's next. So here's the standings: 3 votes for Stormwatch 2 votes for This Was and 2 Ties
Much closer than I imagined....
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Post by TM on Jun 14, 2013 14:55:15 GMT -5
1) Does the album break any new ground? 1 This Was. (the band Jethro Tull was definitely new ground...) 2 TW - 0 SW2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? I think they're are both equally adventurous, but in entirely different ways. Neither album is Tull's most adventurous, but both have a real vitatality to them... with a few duff tracks on each, (particulary Storwatch in my opinion) so 1 point each... 3 TW - 1 SW3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning 1 for Storm Watch 3 TW - 3 SW4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? 1 This Was 5 TW - 3 SW5) How well-sung is the album? Both quite well sung, but in completely different ways. 1 point each 6 TW - 4 SWAnd now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. 1 point for This was. 0 for Stormwatch (although I do love all of D Palmer's arranging on Stormwatch! ...ironically though his one composition Elegy, I've always found to be a real sleeper) 7 TW - 4 SW7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Both 7 TW - 4 SW8) Production and sound quality of the album. mmm... I'd have to say This Was on this one, for it's wonderful in-your-face live feel. 8 TW - 4 SW9) Does the album have a sense of humor? This Was 9 TW - 4 SWSo This Was I guess... An added bonus to TW, is that people who don't think they like Tull, can really dig TW... whereas Stormwatch is really the accumulation/end of an era... In other words: pure classic Tull. In other, other words... if you really don't like anything on Stormwatch, then you dont really like Jethro Tull. The 2 records are bookends to a long and truly great era. All the rest after SW is just wonderful gravy in my opinion. Thanks Willie, so we're all tied up again. Will This Was finally win a battle? Stormwatch 3 votes This Was 2 votes 2 ties
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Post by TM on Jun 14, 2013 15:24:11 GMT -5
Okay let's see which album will end up needing one more vote to be declared a winner...
The main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):
1) Does the album break any new ground?
For the reason everyone has stated I'll give this to TW.
2 TW - 0 SW
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
I don't think there's much of an argument here. SW
2 TW - 2 SW
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
SW wins again (as a Tull fan) as the songs deal with a bunch of different subjects, despite TW appealing to a broader audience.
2 TW - 4 SW
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
Got to give it to This Was even though I personally like Stormwatch better.
4 TW - 4 SW
5) How well-sung is the album?
I may be alone here but I've never cared for the sound of Ian's vocals on This Was. I think the album would have been even better had he used his normal voice.
4 TW - 6 SW
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
TW has the claghorn while Stormwatch we hear the use many more effects, like seagulls, thunder, the sound of the key-drop, etc. I'll give this one to SW.
4 TW - 7 SW
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
TW does offer more because it's a gate-fold I always liked SW art better.
4 TW - 8 SW
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
SW wins over the stereo version of TW
4 TW - 9 SW
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
I always smile when I hear Ian sing "in the morning I'll be leaving, and I'll leave your mother too".
5 TW - 9 SW
The standings:
SW 4 votes TW 3 votes 2 Ties
Who's next?
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 14, 2013 16:19:45 GMT -5
1) Does the album break any new ground? 1 This Was. (the band Jethro Tull was definitely new ground...) 2 TW - 0 SW2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? I think they're are both equally adventurous, but in entirely different ways. Neither album is Tull's most adventurous, but both have a real vitatality to them... with a few duff tracks on each, (particulary Storwatch in my opinion) so 1 point each... 3 TW - 1 SW3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning 1 for Storm Watch 3 TW - 3 SW4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? 1 This Was 5 TW - 3 SW5) How well-sung is the album? Both quite well sung, but in completely different ways. 1 point each 6 TW - 4 SWAnd now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. 1 point for This was. 0 for Stormwatch (although I do love all of D Palmer's arranging on Stormwatch! ...ironically though his one composition Elegy, I've always found to be a real sleeper) 7 TW - 4 SW7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Both 7 TW - 4 SW8) Production and sound quality of the album. mmm... I'd have to say This Was on this one, for it's wonderful in-your-face live feel. 8 TW - 4 SW9) Does the album have a sense of humor? This Was 9 TW - 4 SWSo This Was I guess... An added bonus to TW, is that people who don't think they like Tull, can really dig TW... whereas Stormwatch is really the accumulation/end of an era... In other words: pure classic Tull. In other, other words... if you really don't like anything on Stormwatch, then you dont really like Jethro Tull. The 2 records are bookends to a long and truly great era. All the rest after SW is just wonderful gravy in my opinion. Thanks Willie, so we're all tied up again. Will This Was finally win a battle? Stormwatch 3 votes This Was 2 votes 2 tiesWait....Willie's vote brought the total to 3 votes for TW, not two, tying it with SW as you stated. ( I think this was just a typo, as it was corrected in the next post, after Holly's vote in favor of SW, which carried SW into the lead.) Jeff
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 14, 2013 16:21:44 GMT -5
Okay let's see which album will end up needing one more vote to be declared a winner... The main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point): 1) Does the album break any new ground?For the reason everyone has stated I'll give this to TW. 2 TW - 0 SW2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?I don't there's much of an argument here. SW 2 TW - 2 SW 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.SW wins again (as a Tull fan) as the songs deal with a bunch of different subjects, despite TW appealing to a broader audience. 2 TW - 4 SW4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? Got to give it to This Was even though I personally like Stormwatch better. 4 TW - 4 SW5) How well-sung is the album? I may be alone here but I've never cared for the sound of Ian's vocals on This Was. I think the album would have been even better had he used his normal voice. 4 TW - 6 SWAnd now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. TW has the claghorn while Stormwatch we hear the use many more effects, like seagulls, thunder, the sound of the key-drop, etc. I'll give this one to SW. 4 TW - 7 SW7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. TW does offer more because it's a gate-fold I always liked SW art better. 4 TW - 8 SW8) Production and sound quality of the album. SW wins over the stereo version of TW 4 TW - 9 SW9) Does the album have a sense of humor? I always smile when I hear Ian sing "in the morning I'll be leaving, and I'll leave your mother too". 5 TW - 9 SWThe standings:
SW 4 votes TW 3 votes 2 TiesWho's next? There are actually three tie votes (me, Darin and Kai), so the correct total is now: SW - 4 votes TW - 3 votes Tie - 3 votesJeff
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Post by Cody on Jun 14, 2013 17:06:26 GMT -5
I guess I'll give this a shot!
1) Does the album break any new ground?
Well I'd never say Stormwatch was the same old thing but there was nothing like Tull when they started. (Still isn't ) So 2 points for TW
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
I love blues but as far as complexity, music quality and adventurous? 2 points for SW
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
Nobody writes lyrics like Anderson and since he'd only just begun on TW? 2 points for SW
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
Well without a This Was there wouldnt have been a Stormwatch to my mind. Plenty of good songs on This Was that still get played. Don't get me wrong I love Stormwatch (hard to pit the last album with the first!) 2 points for TW
5) How well-sung is the album?
Both are sung well but style wise Ian was well developed by 79. 2 points for SW
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
Flute in a bluesband and yes, the claghorn! 1 point for TW
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Loved the watcher Ian and the Polar Bear ready to crush the oil facility with the angel above (that got covered by the IRC label!) 1 point for SW
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
I liked the raw feel of TW but the sound of SW was far more complex and fine, could've been beefier but.... 1 point for SW
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
This Was definitely had a sense of humor to it. SW was very serious and dark. 1 point for TW
If Im not mistaken thats 6 points for This Was and 8 points for Stormwatch....no?
Jack
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