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Post by TM on Jun 14, 2013 20:06:43 GMT -5
Okay let's see which album will end up needing one more vote to be declared a winner... The main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point): 1) Does the album break any new ground?For the reason everyone has stated I'll give this to TW. 2 TW - 0 SW2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?I don't there's much of an argument here. SW 2 TW - 2 SW 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.SW wins again (as a Tull fan) as the songs deal with a bunch of different subjects, despite TW appealing to a broader audience. 2 TW - 4 SW4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? Got to give it to This Was even though I personally like Stormwatch better. 4 TW - 4 SW5) How well-sung is the album? I may be alone here but I've never cared for the sound of Ian's vocals on This Was. I think the album would have been even better had he used his normal voice. 4 TW - 6 SWAnd now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. TW has the claghorn while Stormwatch we hear the use many more effects, like seagulls, thunder, the sound of the key-drop, etc. I'll give this one to SW. 4 TW - 7 SW7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. TW does offer more because it's a gate-fold I always liked SW art better. 4 TW - 8 SW8) Production and sound quality of the album. SW wins over the stereo version of TW 4 TW - 9 SW9) Does the album have a sense of humor? I always smile when I hear Ian sing "in the morning I'll be leaving, and I'll leave your mother too". 5 TW - 9 SWThe standings:
SW 4 votes TW 3 votes 2 TiesWho's next? There are actually three tie votes (me, Darin and Kai), so the correct total is now: SW - 4 votes TW - 3 votes Tie - 3 votesJeff Hey Jeff, don't mind me!
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Post by TM on Jun 14, 2013 20:12:51 GMT -5
I guess I'll give this a shot! 1) Does the album break any new ground? Well I'd never say Stormwatch was the same old thing but there was nothing like Tull when they started. (Still isn't ) So 2 points for TW
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? I love blues but as far as complexity, music quality and adventurous? 2 points for SW 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning. Nobody writes lyrics like Anderson and since he'd only just begun on TW? 2 points for SW4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? Well without a This Was there wouldnt have been a Stormwatch to my mind. Plenty of good songs on This Was that still get played. Don't get me wrong I love Stormwatch (hard to pit the last album with the first!) 2 points for TW5) How well-sung is the album? Both are sung well but style wise Ian was well developed by 79. 2 points for SW
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. Flute in a bluesband and yes, the claghorn! 1 point for TW
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Loved the watcher Ian and the Polar Bear ready to crush the oil facility with the angel above (that got covered by the IRC label!) 1 point for SW8) Production and sound quality of the album. I liked the raw feel of TW but the sound of SW was far more complex and fine, could've been beefier but.... 1 point for SW
9) Does the album have a sense of humor? This Was definitely had a sense of humor to it. SW was very serious and dark. 1 point for TW
If Im not mistaken thats 6 points for This Was and 8 points for Stormwatch....no? Jack Don't ask me! Looks like we have a winner:
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Post by TM on Jun 14, 2013 20:14:41 GMT -5
Next up is This Was vs A.
I predict this will be TW's first win!
Who wants to go first?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 0:08:12 GMT -5
Next up is This Was vs A. I predict this will be TW's first win! Who wants to go first? I'm not so sure, there doesn't seem to be enough old farts here that had a thing for This Was. If I hadn't been playing by the rules and trying be subjective (as the rules stated) I might have tilted more towards TW and not been a Tie Vote! OF Darin
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Post by Mothfairy on Jun 15, 2013 10:48:51 GMT -5
I'll go second.
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Post by TM on Jun 15, 2013 11:30:22 GMT -5
Next up is This Was vs A. I predict this will be TW's first win! Who wants to go first? I'm not so sure, there doesn't seem to be enough old farts here that had a thing for This Was. If I hadn't been playing by the rules and trying be subjective (as the rules stated) I might have tilted more towards TW and not been a Tie Vote! OF Darin We'll let's have a go and see what happens!
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Post by TM on Jun 15, 2013 11:45:18 GMT -5
The Album Wars continue... static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3083043-2051651444-29722.png [/img] And here are the questions: 2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):
1) Does the album break any new ground?
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
5) How well-sung is the album?
1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
The album with the most points wins. First album to win 5 votes is our winner. TM is not responsible typographical, mathematical, or grammatical errors.
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Post by Morthoron on Jun 15, 2013 18:47:19 GMT -5
To Paul: I have done the math correctly this time. 2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):1) Does the album break any new ground?This Was. The album A might have broken ground, but then buried itself in the hole. Ladies and gentleman, I see the future, and that future sucks. This Was, 2 Points. 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?This Was. The album A is more stripped back than anything. Less of what made Tull...ummm...Tull. This Was, 2 Points. 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.Okay, A might have better lyrics I suppose. A, 2 points. 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?The album A is completely unnecessary and should be forgotten as quickly as possible. This Was, 2 points. 5) How well-sung is the album?I'll take Ian's singing on This Was over A.This Was, 2 points. 1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.I suppose A. It has all that goddamn synth crap in it. A, 1 point. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.This Was. Ian looked silly in that white space suit. This Was, 1 point. 8) Production and sound quality of the album.This Was. I can't stand to listen to A. This Was, 1 point. 9) Does the album have a sense of humor?Hmmm...there are some funny lyrics in A. A, 1 Point. So, by my foggy adding skills
This Was = 10 A = 4
This Was wins.
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Post by TM on Jun 15, 2013 18:59:00 GMT -5
Nice Greg! And I have to say that you make some excellent points in your comparison which I will now consider when I take my stab at it.
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Post by Willie on Jun 16, 2013 0:05:33 GMT -5
2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point): 1) Does the album break any new ground? Well... they are both a product of their times, 1968=British Blues and 1980=synth stuff, but both with the flute added. Given that to the best of my knowledge, the flute and synth stuff was unheard of, but flute with blues was merely extremely rare, I have to reluctantly contend that A broke slightly more ground. ok... on to next question. A 2 points 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? I'd say one point each. TW has some nice melodies, but is a bit elementary for Tull. A has perhaps stronger melodies, but the production blows. 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning. A wins this one. 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? TW wins I suppose... 5) How well-sung is the album? Both are well sung in different ways. 1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. Flute and claghorn VS Flute and synth. Although A has a rather dubious electric violin as well... so I'll reluctantly say A wins this one. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Arghhhhhh! Look away! Look away! The white Trashsuits! Arghhh! I prefer A (mostly to snicker at), but both stink. 0 points. 8) Production and sound quality of the album. Easily TW! 9) Does the album have a sense of humor? A has funny and more off beat lyrics. A gets 1 point. ...so This Was wins, right? I always stunk at math!
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Post by Willie on Jun 16, 2013 0:24:35 GMT -5
I just re-did the math on my vote, and clearly "A" won. Let's see... so in my previous vote This Was beat Stormwatch, but here I deemed "A" better than This Was. Which means "A" is better than This Was AND Stormwatch "in my opinion." Guess I'll go dunk my head in the toilet now.
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 16, 2013 0:52:33 GMT -5
I guess I'll give this a shot! 1) Does the album break any new ground? Well I'd never say Stormwatch was the same old thing but there was nothing like Tull when they started. (Still isn't ) So 2 points for TW
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? I love blues but as far as complexity, music quality and adventurous? 2 points for SW 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning. Nobody writes lyrics like Anderson and since he'd only just begun on TW? 2 points for SW4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? Well without a This Was there wouldnt have been a Stormwatch to my mind. Plenty of good songs on This Was that still get played. Don't get me wrong I love Stormwatch (hard to pit the last album with the first!) 2 points for TW5) How well-sung is the album? Both are sung well but style wise Ian was well developed by 79. 2 points for SW
And now, the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. Flute in a bluesband and yes, the claghorn! 1 point for TW
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Loved the watcher Ian and the Polar Bear ready to crush the oil facility with the angel above (that got covered by the IRC label!) 1 point for SW8) Production and sound quality of the album. I liked the raw feel of TW but the sound of SW was far more complex and fine, could've been beefier but.... 1 point for SW
9) Does the album have a sense of humor? This Was definitely had a sense of humor to it. SW was very serious and dark. 1 point for TW
If Im not mistaken thats 6 points for This Was and 8 points for Stormwatch....no? Jack Don't ask me! Looks like we have a winner: This Was now falls to 0-12 in the standings. Jeff
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 16, 2013 1:02:17 GMT -5
I just re-did the math on my vote, and clearly "A" won. Let's see... so in my previous vote This Was beat Stormwatch, but here I deemed "A" better than This Was. Which means "A" is better than This Was AND Stormwatch "in my opinion." Guess I'll go dunk my head in the toilet now. Yes, you've definitely scored this in favor of A. I love the A album. Totally disagree with Greg on this. A is filled with menace and very effective in what it sets out to do. It captures the tense and fearful atmosphere of the Cold War era very well. However, I have to keep my subjective feelings out of this, by going through the categories and scoring it objectively against This Was, so I will see how that turns out. Round 13 score so far: This Was - 1 vote A - 1 vote
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Post by Mothfairy on Jun 16, 2013 12:44:09 GMT -5
I just re-did the math on my vote, and clearly "A" won. Let's see... so in my previous vote This Was beat Stormwatch, but here I deemed "A" better than This Was. Which means "A" is better than This Was AND Stormwatch "in my opinion." Guess I'll go dunk my head in the toilet now. LOL. I didn't get to go second! ;D Ok, I'll see if I can do this... 1) Does the album break any new ground? Hmm...A does have synthesizer and violin...but still TW. 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? Tie. I feel about the same. 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning. Tie again..same. 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? I feel like Black Sunday is absolutely essential. But TW...I think. 5) How well-sung is the album? Like them both equally in this department again. TW is sung different but mostly in a good way. 1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. Tie. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. TW 8) Production and sound quality of the album. Tie 9) Does the album have a sense of humor? TW TW
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Post by TM on Jun 18, 2013 18:52:27 GMT -5
I just re-did the math on my vote, and clearly "A" won. Let's see... so in my previous vote This Was beat Stormwatch, but here I deemed "A" better than This Was. Which means "A" is better than This Was AND Stormwatch "in my opinion." Guess I'll go dunk my head in the toilet now. LOL. I didn't get to go second! ;D Ok, I'll see if I can do this... 1) Does the album break any new ground? Hmm...A does have synthesizer and violin...but still TW. 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good? Tie. I feel about the same. 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning. Tie again..same. 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics? I feel like Black Sunday is absolutely essential. But TW...I think. 5) How well-sung is the album? Like them both equally in this department again. TW is sung different but mostly in a good way. 1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point): 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example. Tie. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. TW 8) Production and sound quality of the album. Tie 9) Does the album have a sense of humor? TW TW Score: TW - 2 votes A - 1 vote
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Post by TM on Jun 18, 2013 19:09:28 GMT -5
static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3083043-2051651444-29722.png [/img] 2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):1) Does the album break any new ground?TW. 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?The A album has a rushed feel to it. Much of it has the feel that it was thrown together. TW 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
Lyrically I think A is pretty strong. A 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?There was a pretty sizable exodus with the release of A. Gotta go with TW. 5) How well-sung is the album?I don't care for Ian's voice on quite few tracks. His vocals have a more harsh tone. TW 1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
I'll give this to A for the use of the electric violin. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.TW 8) Production and sound quality of the album.Tie 9) Does the album have a sense of humor?TW TW wins. Score: TW - 3 votes A - 1 vote
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 0:54:11 GMT -5
static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3083043-2051651444-29722.png [/img] 2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):1) Does the album break any new ground?This Was flute-jazz-rock-blues 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?More than the overall sound and feel of the album, a big strong point of "A" to me are the great melodies. Some I consider the best in Tull history! While all the songs aren't as strong, Black Sunday, Protect and Survive, Furthur On, and Flyingdale Flyer are very strong examples! A3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
By 1980 Ian was a seasoned lyrical genius! Pick up my feet and kick off my lethargy Down to the gate with the old mood upon me Get out and chase the small immortality Born in the minute of my next returning Impatient feet tapping and cigarette burning Homecoming one day too soonA4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?Overall This Was is more essential to the Tull catalog since it introduced the world to Tull. This Was5) How well-sung is the album?This Was - Young Ian singing the blues! 1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
I'll also vote A for the electric violin, but also Eddies Paino, synth, and the Moog bass (cement pounders) Also this first time I recall hearing Vocoder on the vocals 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.This Was - A cover I starred at in wonder for many developing years. 8) Production and sound quality of the album.This Was - Basic (nearly live) recording. Not much to get wrong. 9) Does the album have a sense of humor?This Waslooks like This Was beats A for this round
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Post by TM on Jun 19, 2013 8:22:12 GMT -5
Well there it is, the first win for This Was.
Is this a sign of things to come? Let's find out. I'll set up Broadsword later today.
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Post by Mothfairy on Jun 19, 2013 8:34:54 GMT -5
Wow, that's it, this was fast....we're already onto the next! Sweet.
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Post by TM on Jun 19, 2013 10:06:29 GMT -5
The Album Wars continue... static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3083043-2051651444-29722.png [/img] And here are the questions: 2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):
1) Does the album break any new ground?
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
5) How well-sung is the album?
1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
The album with the most points get the vote. First album to win 5 votes is our winner.
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Post by TM on Jun 19, 2013 21:11:43 GMT -5
static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3083043-2051651444-29722.png [/img] 2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point): 1) Does the album break any new ground?We all know about TW, Broadsword breaks no new ground. TW 2 pts. 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?I would say Broadsword takes on a pretty good ride with songs like The Clasp, Seal Driver, Slow Marching Band and Broadsword. BSATB 2 pts 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.Ian's stories in 1981 easily exceeded those in 1968. BSATB 2 pts 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?This one is tough. Broadsword is a bit of a comeback album but it really doesn't contain any classics from a historical perspective. I'll have to give this one to TW - 2 pts 5) How well-sung is the album?Broadsword was well sung other than the harsh Fallen On Hard Times. I'll go with BSATB - 2 pts. 1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.An unusual touch that I don't like on Broadsword was the use of the flute on somes of the intro's to songs like Pussy Willow, Slow Marching Band, and The Clasp. So despite my dislike I'll give this one to BSATB - 1 pt 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.No question BSATB 1 pt 8) Production and sound quality of the album.Again, BSATB - 1 pt 9) Does the album have a sense of humor?Not much of a sense of humor on Broadsword. TW 1 pt The album with the most points get the vote. First album to win 5 votes is our winner. BSATB wins. BSATB - 1 vote TW - 0 votes
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 0:54:18 GMT -5
2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):
1) Does the album break any new ground?
This Was 2 points. Broadsword had interesting mixtures of folk and electronic music though.
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
A lot of Broadsword is very inventive, more adventurous that This Was.
Broadsword 2 points
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
There were some really great themes and imagery on Broadsword. Very similar to Stormwatch in that respect.
Broadsword 2 points
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
I actually consider Broadsword to be more essential to the catalog. No "Classics" perse, but the album is sort of a classic in itself.
Broadsword 2
5) How well-sung is the album? I didn't like a lot of the affectations in Ian's voice on This Was.
Broadsword 2
1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
The use of 80s synths to produce something akin to folk music is interesting to me. Broadsword 1
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc. Broadsword
8) Production and sound quality of the album. Broadsword
9) Does the album have a sense of humor? This was for sure.
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Post by TM on Jun 20, 2013 8:31:46 GMT -5
Broadsword - 2 votes This Was - no votes
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Post by Morthoron on Jun 20, 2013 19:24:04 GMT -5
2 PT QUESTIONS - the main categories (two points awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, each album gets one point):
1) Does the album break any new ground?
This Was steps beyond the other blues-based albums of the time. BSatB is really nothing special.
This Was
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
This Was. Nothing really memorable melody-wise from BSatB.
This Was
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme, metaphor, content and meaning.
BSatB has far more imagery and is more imaginative lyrically.
Broadsword and the Beast
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
I don't consider BSatB a necessary album. There is nothing "classic" on the album when compared to "A Song for Jeffrey" or "Serenade to a Cuckoo".
This Was
5) How well-sung is the album?
Ian's voice is harsher on BSatB, a precursor to his throat problems, perhaps.
This Was
1 PT. QUESTIONS - the less important categories (one point is awarded to the winner of each, but in the case of a tie, neither album gets a point):
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
This Was.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Broadsword and the Beast
8) Production and sound quality of the album.
Broadsword and the Beast
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
Broadsword and the Beast
This Was - 9 points Broadsword and the Beast - 5
This Was wins
Addendum: What is truly sad is that there are better songs Tull recorded during that time that do not appear on Broadsword and the Beast like "Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow" and "Jack A Lynn".
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 21, 2013 12:59:44 GMT -5
Wow, that's it, this was fast....we're already onto the next! Sweet. Holly, the reason that seemed fast is because Paul miscounted again. The actual score when he prematurely called the round for TW was TW - 4 votes, A - 1 vote. The four votes in favor of TW were you, Paul, Greg and Erin, with Willie voting in favor of A. There may have been some confusuion because Willie initially miscounted his own point total, concluding that he had scored it in favor of TW, but upon re-checking his math, he corrected his vote in a subsequent post. So TW has not yet received the five requisite votes, and the round is still open! Jeff
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