So, who's going to find out who Jane was? Do I have a possible idea who that might be?
Who was.............the ballerina? (What was her name again?) Bill Cardinell (the projectionist) seemed to think so.
Yes, want to hear more about this! Great APP article.
I don't understand the critics. Really, none of APP makes sense? I know its complex, but nothing actually communicated? What qualifications does a person have to become a "critic?"
Spin me back down the years and the days of my youth
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Re: Spin me back down the years - Print Memorabill « Result #5 Yesterday at 9:35am »
Nice old interview with Clive from way back in the day, published March 9th 1974 in fact, in SOUNDS.
With great thanks to Mac, who has supplied a veritable bundle of goodies for the Manual and the Board.
See more at http://www.theboyscoutmanual.com/galleries/?id=858 - Where the large double page interview can be read with the on-screen viewer or if anyone wants a larger jpeg let me know by PM and I'll try and get it to you.
Actually you can listen to the rebroadcast for the next 6 days I believe. I don't have time to sort through the 3 hour show for Martin's bit but I think it is near the end. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0181m3x
Dan
I created an edited version so you don't have to weed through all the crap. Wish they would have played the entire set they talked up all morning.
Thanks for the edit. Martin's comment about J.T. @ 5:55. Dan
Thanks for havin my back Mothfairy! TM, make sure you portray me as the handsome devil that I am...lol I'm doing good Moth-- nice to be back on the board with all you Tullies. We need a Palace Theatre reunion!
Oh yes, I'm sure the staff missed us! haha
Hope we see more of you around here!
A few of us are meeting for the Boston show this year, we were hoping TM and everyone could meet us for it but it is a busy weekend for a lot of people.
Will be fun to get this show from everyone and all their points of views. My story from this night is somewhere around here.
Dan has been quiet though....
Jen will come on and she'll be all, "So then I was just waiting in the rain and I was like, screw this, I'm not waiting in the rain, so I took off"
Actually you can listen to the rebroadcast for the next 6 days I believe. I don't have time to sort through the 3 hour show for Martin's bit but I think it is near the end. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0181m3x
Dan
I created an edited version so you don't have to weed through all the crap. Wish they would have played the entire set they talked up all morning.
Re: Martin on the radio « Result #14 on May 17, 2013, 3:04pm »
Actually you can listen to the rebroadcast for the next 6 days I believe. I don't have time to sort through the 3 hour show for Martin's bit but I think it is near the end. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0181m3x
Yes, I suppose maybe right now...but we've had some other mothers we can't forget. Remember Peggy, what happened to her? She had I think something like 4 kids age 7 and under. I just have 3 age 5 and under. I need to catch up! haha. And then Blue who is like the mom of all of us. I remember saying she was the mom, Mike Crowe was the dad...and Lukas was my brother. We don't see much of any of them on here anymore.
Forgot about Peggy. She was very nice. I hope all is well with her.
Sorry, but there will be no playing "house" on this board!
Hey, did you see who's here? Fingas. He's logged on as Pony Boy and he's posting!
Did anyone catch this? I bloody remembered at 3pm and missed it Did he play a track?
I don't know what happened to the rest of the set but I only heard Empty Cafe from his 1st CD. I guess he played for an additional half hour at the venue but it wasn't broadcast. He did mention something about Tull maybe getting back together in a year but I can't remember exactly and I don't want to misquote him. Dan
Re: How I almost met Ian - Palace Theater Albany 2 « Result #18 on May 17, 2013, 12:31pm »
Thanks for havin my back Mothfairy! TM, make sure you portray me as the handsome devil that I am...lol I'm doing good Moth-- nice to be back on the board with all you Tullies. We need a Palace Theatre reunion!
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Re: Happy Mother's Day « Result #19 on May 17, 2013, 12:30pm »
Yes, I suppose maybe right now...but we've had some other mothers we can't forget. Remember Peggy, what happened to her? She had I think something like 4 kids age 7 and under. I just have 3 age 5 and under. I need to catch up! haha. And then Blue who is like the mom of all of us. I remember saying she was the mom, Mike Crowe was the dad...and Lukas was my brother. We don't see much of any of them on here anymore.
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame « Result #22 on May 17, 2013, 12:18pm »
Well, grudge or not, for me the induction to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does not make any band particularly more appealing or satisfying. Tull will be Tull whether or not they are given the honor--same with any other band. And to be honest the whole idea of the rnr hall of fame sort of embodies what Rock music has been making irrelevant all these years.
I suppose familiarity goes a long way though. "Hall of Fame" are a powerful group of words. When you add "Rock and Roll" to that it does have a powerful impact on rock fans. It suggests recognition, prestige, timelessness, authority. In reality it is a museum with a gift shop I suspect overprised--a commercial enterprise, albeit a successful one. It gives recognition, but all of the bands/artists inducted had recognition before their induction.
I will give them credit for their success in convincing people this is a high honor of Rock music. Their bank accounts agree I'm sure.
Re: How I almost met Ian - Palace Theater Albany 2 « Result #23 on May 17, 2013, 12:15pm »
Just to sweetin the pot... Billy Fingas (a.k.a. Pony Boy) will fill you in on the shenanagins going on outside with his cousin and cousin-in-law whilst TM, Mothfairy and hubby were inside trying to hob-nob with Ian....
Yes, I bought it at the show I mentioned... also, check out the Irish Folk band, Solas. John was a founding member. They are a great band-- check out their guitar, mandolin, banjo, bouzouki, violin (any damn thing with strings) player Seamus Egan. If you like John, you'll like Seamus
Actually I went to see Solas last month. Brilliant gig, absolutely loved them
Re: How Many Times Have U Seen Tull ? « Result #27 on May 17, 2013, 11:05am »
First saw Tull in 1971 during Aqualung tour at MSG in New York City. Couldn't even offer a guess as to how many times since (put it this way, I've contributed handsomely to Ian putting on the West Wing at his Estate..lol). Met him at Macy's in NYC during his salmon days... best show had to be the Vermont "Barn Show" where TM and I sold t-shirts. Ahhh, spin me back down the years.......
Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame « Result #28 on May 17, 2013, 10:50am »
I once heard (read) that the reason Tull will never get in is due to the line in "Baker Street Muse" that says, "I have no time for Time magazine, or Rolling Stone". Turns out that the owner of Rolling Stone magazine is (was) on the Board for the HOF and took offense to it. Seems a little petty to me if it's at all true.
Re: John Doyle « Result #29 on May 17, 2013, 10:42am »
Yes, I bought it at the show I mentioned... also, check out the Irish Folk band, Solas. John was a founding member. They are a great band-- check out their guitar, mandolin, banjo, bouzouki, violin (any damn thing with strings) player Seamus Egan. If you like John, you'll like Seamus
In general, I had about 15 motorcycles, from when I had the age. Currently I have an old trial bike, a wonderful Spanish Montesa Cota 247 for at least 10 years, I use only in the mountainside . As I told you, I was going to buy last year the BMW k1600. I made two driving tests from the dealer, but I preferred the Kawasaki 1400GTR, which I have since the beginning of this year, which I like very very much.
That's right. I do recall you telling me you decided on the Kawasaki. Nice sport-tourer.
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Re: Living with the Past update...possible convent « Result #31 on May 17, 2013, 8:21am »
Get grassy or troll for Tull in Longmont this weekend
Whitewater Ramble will perform Saturday at Left Hand Brewing's "Summer Jam." (Whitewater Ramble, Courtesy photo)
Take your pick -- do you like the country side of rock or the hard side of rock?
Either way, you've got a show to go to Saturday night.
Left Hand Brewing kicks off its "Summer Jam" concert series with Front Range bluegrass rockers Whitewater Ramble. Local country artists Bonnie and the Clydes and Americana band Grant Farm round out the lineup. The show is planned to run from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.
The Dickens Opera House, starting at 8:15 p.m. Saturday, will be the site of a Jethro Tull convention that features a performance by Living with the Past. The band, fronted by Ray Roehner, tries to bring meticulous attention to the often complex compositions and arrangements of Jethro Tull's brand of hard rock.
"We're the only Jethro Tull tribute band in the world that has been endorsed by Jethro Tull," said Roehner, who lives west of Longmont. "The music is difficult ... we've worked hard through the years to try to nail down the music."
Jethro Tull has provided CDs and memorabilia to be handed out as raffle and special prizes during the convention, Roehner said. The event features "a couple surprises" that Roehner said he could not yet reveal.
"It's more of an event than a performance," he said of the evening.
Jethro Tull was famous partly because its frontman and visionary, Ian Anderson, showed that a flute could be a legitimate rock instrument.
Whitewater Ramble, meanwhile, is reinforcing the notion that drums mix well with bluegrass instruments.
With mandolin on one hand and a trap set on the other -- and fiddle, guitar and upright bass filling out the sound -- Whitewater Ramble creates music it calls "High-Octane Rocky Mountain DanceGrass."
Taking a cue from drum-friendly Colorado acts rooted in bluegrass, such as Leftover Salmon and The String Cheese Incident, Patrick Sites knew when the band first started he wanted Whitewater to groove.
"Every one of us at heart are rock 'n' rollers," said Sites, who plays mandolin and sings. "We love traditional music ... We love rock and roll more. We just happen to play bluegrass instruments."
The band recently released "Roots & Groove" with a show at the Wildflower Pavilion at Planet Bluegrass in Lyons. It's the band's second studio album, and it was produced by Railroad Earth's Tim Carbone and features guest appearances by Andy Thorn, banjo player for Leftover Salmon, and Andy Hall, dobro player for the Infamous Stringdusters.
Left Hand spokesman Josh Goldberg said Ozomati will perform at the brewery's next summer concert, scheduled for June 22.
Quentin Young can be reached at 303-684-5319 or qyoung@times-call.com.
The only performance on the DVD set list that was NOT video was The Isle of Wight and the only two songs included from that, My God and My Sunday Feeling, were the only whole songs that survived, oh and Dharma which isnt included, Nothing is Easy was only half there. On the Isle of Wight DVD the rest of the songs were pieced together with b roll and bits from the other songs, We Used To Know was completely gone.
What?! Dharma For One is a MUST! It should ALL be included!
In the past, I had just three "Vespa", despite not following the "Mod" fashion, and then, as now, always motorcycles.
The question is, how many now my friend?
Did you purchase the big BMW?
In general, I had about 15 motorcycles, from when I had the age. Currently I have an old trial bike, a wonderful Spanish Montesa Cota 247 for at least 10 years, I use only in the mountainside . As I told you, I was going to buy last year the BMW k1600. I made two driving tests from the dealer, but I preferred the Kawasaki 1400GTR, which I have since the beginning of this year, which I like very very much.
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame « Result #37 on May 16, 2013, 2:26pm »
Stand Up to get Jethro Tull into the Rock Hall of Fame
(No. 29 in a continuing series on artists who should be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, but are not)
By Phill Marder
Their hit singles are almost non-existent. Yet most fans of popular music during the Rock era are familiar with many of their songs. In fact, many know many by heart.
In the 1970s, they were one of the most popular bands on the planet, selling out albums and concerts around the world. On the Billboard album charts, they rank 20th on the list of best sellers in the ’70s. Of the 19 artists above them, just Barbra Streisand, Chicago and John Denver have failed to gain entry into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. In fact, of the 10 ranked below them, just one – Grand Funk Railroad – has yet to be inducted.
Like Grand Funk, Jethro Tull, our topic for this week, was/is immensely popular with the listening audience. But, not surprisingly, most critics had/have little good to say about Ian Anderson (lead vocals and flute) and Martin Barre (lead guitar) and their varying supporting cast, and, at present at least, this seems to weigh heavily on a band’s chances of entering the “hallowed” Hall.
Still, when a band puts up numbers the likes of Jethro Tull and does it for over 40 years, it’s time for Anderson, Barre and company (band members over the years number into the 20s), to receive their just due.
Tull first made its presence felt in United Kingdom concert appearances as the ’60s drew to a close. With the band playing what was then described as a mixture of blues and jazz behind the madman antics of their front man, British audiences responded by sending their initial LP, 1968’s “This Was,” into the top 10, while U.S. record buyers ran it to No. 62, a more than respectable showing for a new group without a hit.
The following year, Tull broke the British singles market with two top 10 hits, “Living In The Past” and “Sweet Dream,” and the “Stand Up” LP, though it didn’t include either hit, became the group’s only No. 1 long-player in the UK. It was far from their lone UK success, though. “Stand Up” also broke the band in Norway, starting a string of six straight Top 10 LPs there.
And while “This Was” had opened the American door for Tull, “Stand Up” pushed them right through, reaching No. 20. Album No. 3, “Benefit,” did even better in the States, just missing the top 10. It didn’t follow “Stand Up” to the top in the UK, but it didn’t miss by much, peaking at No. 3.
Remaining a favorite concert attraction and having established a constant presence on flourishing FM progressive rock radio, Tull had become one of the most popular bands in the world by the time they released their first true blockbuster – “Aqualung.” The title cut and “Locomotive Breath” became radio staples and the album became a classic, hitting the top 10 in the US and UK. Even Rolling Stone praised the album’s “fine musicianship” and considered it “serious and intelligent,” eventually ranking it No. 337 on its list of 500 all-time best albums. Guitarist magazine listed Barre’s guitar solo on the title track on their list of “20 greatest guitar solos of all time.”
How do they come up with these lists? Well, they get a group of “experts” to choose them, Rob Sheffield for one. Sheffield calls Charlie Watts the greatest drummer in rock & roll history, so perhaps these lists should be taken with a shaker of salt…assuming you haven’t lost it.
It was nice to see “Aqualung” fairly well received in the media, but Anderson was displeased the album had been pegged as a concept work. In response, he promised, “If the critics want a concept album we’ll give the mother of all concept albums and we’ll make it so bombastic and so over the top…” That they did, the entire album being one 45-minute song. Anderson later claimed the resulting “Thick As A Brick” was a spoof of progressive rock albums. Whatever it was, it worked, becoming Tull’s first No. 1 album stateside and reaching No. 5 in Britain. The sarcastic and humorous newspaper cover didn’t help endear Tull to its critics.
The next “new” release, “A Passion Play,” also hit the top of the United States chart and the next, “War Child,” just missed, stopping at No. 2.
But get this, the same two – Mark Coleman and Ernesto Lechner – that ripped Rush in The New Rolling Stone Album Guide, wrote this in that same “esteemed” publication…“The immediate success of Aqualung spurred Anderson to indulge his artistic whims, resulting in two challenging, wildly experimental, and occasionally obtuse theatrical concept albums: Thick As A Brick and Passion Play. After that strategy backfired, Jethro Tull returned to traditional song structure on War Child and the acoustic-flavored Minstrel In The Gallery.”
Backfired? BACKFIRED? How does consecutive No. 1 albums qualify as strategy backfiring? Maybe Anderson intended to produce two duds? That’s like saying the Phillies acquired Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt and the moves backfired as they won the next two World Series. We all should have such career backfires.
Recovering from that “slump,” Tull continued to release best-selling works, four more LPs hitting the US top 20 before closing its most productive decade with “Stormwatch,” which peaked at No. 22. In the spirit of a true super group, Jethro Tull continued to release new material as the years passed, charting six US albums in the 1980s, four reaching the UK top 20, including “Tne Broadsword And The Beast,” which also climbed to No. 19 in the US, and four more best-sellers in the ‘90s.
In 1987, Tull, always hard to classify, found out just what category it fit when “Crest Of A Knave” won the Grammy for “best hard rock/metal performance vocal or instrumental” beating out Metallica and Jane’s Addiction in what Entertainment Weekly called one of the 10 biggest upsets in Grammy history. Hard rock? Heavy metal? Anderson, Barre and company didn’t even go to the award show figuring there was no way they would win. Later, their label, Chrysalis, took out an advertisement informing the public – tongue in cheek, of course – that “the flute is a heavy metal instrument.”
Anderson, Barre and cohorts still tour worldwide, live albums being the result the last few years. A live performance at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony would be most deserving.
It's a difficult passage in TAAB that has been giving James some trouble. 7 bars of 4, 3 bars of 4 and 6 bars of 4 then repeat. Ian came out when no one was around and whipped out his magic marker and gave him a little cheat sheet.......
It was probably the most desirable 'mod' scooter model back in the 60's, but I always had a hankering after the Lambretta LI, never had one but always preferred it's more stylised design.
I've been tempted in my later years to buy a scooter and a motor-bike but believe that like middle age cyclists wearing cycling lycra, middle aged arses do not sit comfortably on a scooter, literally.
In the past, I had just three "Vespa", despite not following the "Mod" fashion, and then, as now, always motorcycles.
It was probably the most desirable 'mod' scooter model back in the 60's, but I always had a hankering after the Lambretta LI, never had one but always preferred it's more stylised design.
I've been tempted in my later years to buy a scooter and a motor-bike but believe that like middle age cyclists wearing cycling lycra, middle aged arses do not sit comfortably on a scooter, literally.
In the past, I had just three "Vespa", despite not following the "Mod" fashion, and then, as now, always motorcycles.
I meant to say that you are knowledgeable about "Vespa and Lambretta". The "Vespa" GS it was an extremely successful model here in Italy until the 70 's.
M,
It was probably the most desirable 'mod' scooter model back in the 60's, but I always had a hankering after the Lambretta LI, never had one but always preferred it's more stylised design.
I've been tempted in my later years to buy a scooter and a motor-bike but believe that like middle age cyclists wearing cycling lycra, middle aged arses do not sit comfortably on a scooter, literally.
Spin me back down the years and the days of my youth
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Penny Black Music Interview with Ian « Result #51 on May 16, 2013, 5:08am »
Ian Anderson : Interview Author: Lisa Torem Published: 29/04/2013
"St. Cleve “child poet” Gerald Bostock first became fictionalised in the Jethro Tull prog rock album ‘Thick as a Brick’ in 1972. Since that time, the album has never been performed in concert as a whole piece. The story might have ended there had Derek Shulman [Gentle Giant] not nudged multi-instrumentalist songwriter and lead vocalist, Ian Anderson, to compose and produce a follow-up. Once Anderson agreed that the now 50-year-old Bostock deserved proper reflection, he set to work and completed writing the new material in a fortnight. With the “what-might-have-beens” and the “what-ifs” addressed in ‘Thick as a Brick 2’, the famed flautist was ready to tour. But even though the original album was a Billboard smash, Anderson had reservations about the way new and older audience members would react – after all, would an acoustic-based album with lyrics that require introspection please international rock audiences of all ages?
“The conceptual and heavily lyrical nature of the beast, however, might be out of place in the attention span-deficit world which we seem to occupy these days,” Anderson stated in a press release. But the fans are more than ready - their positive responses indicate - to look back on their own lives and appreciate a collection that transcends prog rock and welcomes a new day of fusion.
Anderson began touring ‘Thick as a Brick’ last year in the UK under his own name and looks forward to repeat performances in the US this summer. In our second interview with Pennyblackmusic, he discusses the fine art of looking back gracefully, why politics continue to fascinate him and his odd relationship with Hawker Hunters.
PB: Ian, your concerts have been known to attract international guest artists and you’ve had a history of exploring many genres other than blues and prog rock. What do you think of the term, “world music?”
IA: I think what we’re talking about is national and regional folk music. If what you mean is, ‘Israeli folk music,’ then say, “Israeli folk music” or “Finnish folk music.” To lock them in some curious way into “world music” – all people mean is they’re sitting outside the orbit of westernised rock or pop or jazz or classical music. “World music” is a bit of a “get-out” clause for people who really don’t want to specify a little more about what it is they mean.
If I say I like world music, I immediately have to put out a disclaimer because it must not contain anything from the Hawaiian islands, the West Indies and it’s unlikely to contain music from Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan or China, but it might well include my interest in Indian music or music of Scandinavian folk origins or Russian folk music. It is just way too generalised a topic, but if it’s got steel drums or Hawaiian guitar in it then I’m afraid it will send me screaming from the room. I can’t deal with those noises. They would come under terms of world music, but it sure is not what I would have in mind to assault my eardrums. Boingy-boingy and twaingy-wangy could satisfy other people perhaps, but certainly not me.
PB: There’s been a lot of discussion about the lyrics of ‘A Change of Horses’ on ‘Thick as a Brick 2’ on the Jethro Tull website. Some fans think it’s about Obama being elected and others suspect it’s about your philosophy.
IA: It is a function within the piece. There are a lot of people – I’m not one of them – who are at the point in their lives where they embark bravely or foolishly on a completely different tack. I certainly admire people who achieve something in life and then decide, been there and done that, now it is time to go and write that book or set off on a sailing expedition around the world, climb a mountain or to pay a lot of money to spend a few days on an international space station – people who decide it’s actually time to make a change. It’s time to hitch your wagons to some fresh horses, and go somewhere you haven’t been before.
It’s not applicable to me because I’ve pretty much always been a musician. But during my thirties and forties, I went about doing some other things. I’m thinking more about people when they hit fifty – a lot of people, understandably, decide it’s time to try something else. Maybe it’s just to take up a new hobby; maybe it’s just to expand their horizons. It could be as simple as some old fogey deciding to send emails or go on Facebook.
PB: ‘Thick as a Brick 2’ looks back on “what might have been.” Do you have any fantasies you would still like to realise? Like swimming with sharks or jumping out of a fighter plane?
IA: I could probably jump into a fighter plane but I think it would have to be a Hawker Hunter, from that wonderful era of British airplanes – one of those fine and aesthetically pleasing machines that’s from the 1950s. It was a very beautiful airplane and it had the curves and sensuality of the E-type jet, another British design of that era.
PB: You played your 1969 song ‘Bouree’ recently with NASA’s Colonel Catherine Coleman, who is also a flautist. I think playing music with an astronaut might also fall under the same category. Was that exciting?
IA: Yes. We talked a couple of times about the possibility of doing something else, and communicating with NASA to the extent of suggesting that there might be something. There are quite a few astronauts, past and present, who have musical affiliations. It would be amusing, but you’ve got to make it entertaining. Amateur musicians know their limitations. Somehow you’ve got to sell it on a different level to an audience that has to be drawn in primarily because a lot of the curiosity about seeing an astronaut in a blue astronaut overall – you’ve got to capture the magic about those people who have what was once termed “the right stuff” and they have that. That’s perhaps what drives some of them to want to get onstage to perform, going beyond the safety of something that you know and can do - pushing the envelope to try to do something that scares the shit out of you. That’s how it is.
Catherine’s been onstage at the Albert Hall, and it must have been an extremely nerve wracking thing to do. But I think those kinds of people like to scare themselves. That’s what we do for a living. And once the rockets stop flying, I guess you look for other things that give you that thrill.
PB: You were the youngest child in your family. Did that experience inform your imagination?
IA: I’m sure it did, but my two older siblings were so much older than I was when they left home that most of my childhood was spent alone. For all intensive purposes, I wasn’t the third child. I was an only child. I hardly saw my brothers. One emigrated to Canada, and the other went to live in another part of the world far from the UK, so most of my childhood was spent alone – not in a depressed or solitary state – because I had things that interested m. I suppose part of that process of early childhood was where you do learn to be self-sufficient, and look inside yourself for entertainment and creativity.
Drawing and painting interested me and reading and playing alone. I would just be sitting in my garden with my air rifle shooting at little tin soldiers. I was interested in shooting. I don’t mean death and destruction shooting of anything that lived; I enjoyed the art and the discipline of shooting. I was about nine-years-old when I was first in possession of an air rifle under the threat of it being immediately removed if I pointed it in the wrong place or did anything foolhardy, which I didn’t – I was a conscientious shooting child.
But, of course, in America and over here the thought of children with guns scares the shit out of some people understandably. There are some things in life that, if you learn them properly when you’re young and have respect for it, then it doesn’t get out of hand later on. The people that really worry me are the people who come to all of that via violent video games and fancy exploits where the division between reality and fantasy just becomes so blurred.
But as a youngster, you learn the reality of it, not the fantasy. You’re actually really carrying a gun. You’re learning to control your breathing, to fix a point, to aim and relax. It’s not like gung ho video game mentality at all. It’s completely the opposite. It’s very common discipline.
I defend shooting as I do to this day in the hands of responsible people. Unfortunately there are folks that get a hold of guns that really should not be allowed anywhere near them, and they do it for the wrong reasons. Sometimes people get to it because of the idea of self-defense, and that is always a danger because after a while aggression starts to sneak in, as well, and people who have a gun around the house - perhaps they tell themselves - shoot an intruder as a last resort. Sometimes having those things and not ever having a chance to use them becomes a weird, pent up frustration, like a priest with a penis. If you don’t actually use it, it starts to become a scary sort of frustration.
I think if you have guns that you should use them regularly in a responsible way in a range or in a sporting context – shooting for the pot, shooting game – something where you have a good reason for doing it. Self-defense is not a good reason. It becomes, to most people, a gun that they’re actually not used to using. If you’re going to do that stuff, you’ve got to take it seriously.
PB: On your website, you conduct imaginary interviews with yourself. I imagine that, after all of these years, you get asked a lot of the same questions. Which questions do you wish people would stop asking and which do you wish they would?
IA: Well, I think a lot of people ask a lot of questions based on things they already know the answers to, or the obvious questions that they think the reader wants to hear. They ask me those questions hoping I’m going to put them into my own slightly different words. And to some extent, I do try to do that. I don’t read from the script or parrot exactly the same thing that I said before. I do try to give it some spontaneity, and make it fit the person who is asking the questions.
But nonetheless, the topics seem to get very repetitious. There are more general things to do with religion, sexuality and politics – that sort of thing would interest me more to talk about than some of the questions that do get repeated often.
Among the questions that I get asked really often: ‘How did you get the name, Jethro Tull?’ It’s so well recorded that it’s almost not worth asking the question, but from time to time I have to answer it and I try to do it with good humour and good grace, even though I’ve heard my voice answer it thousands of times.
PB: You have accomplished many things in your life. How would you most like to be remembered?
IA: I suppose being someone who could mix the arts with graceful philosophy and a lifestyle that doesn’t infringe on other people too much. I’m not a power crazy person. I would make a bad politician because I wouldn’t ultimately have the cold-blooded hard shell to make that work, but in some ways, I suppose, politics fascinate me.
It was interesting to hear this today. Our ex-prime minister, Tony Blair, was again defending his incursion into Iraq with George Bush, saying that he didn’t regret anything about it. And he has to be defensive about it until the day he dies because frankly in this country and in the rest of Europe he is reviled for the duplicitous way in which he took British troops into Iraq, and compromised the European community’s resolve to find ways to avoid invading the country and deposing the leader.
I don’t mean to say that the world is not better off without Saddam Hussein, but if you set out to depose the leader of another country through some misguided views and high morals then you’re in danger of corrupting yourself.
Tony Blair is not going to be well remembered in the history books. It’s sad because I think he was a good politician and a good leader of the country for the first half of his ten years as prime minister, but he did a number of things that I think really were a big mistake.
And George Bush, who I think was really a decent guy, I always thought he was viewed as being, unfairly, a not very bright man. Part of it was being led by the evil twins, who I think had their place, obviously in that administration. But Bush was a lot brighter than people give him credit for. I mean, I read his book, and it clearly was written by him. It wasn’t ghostwritten. He had a good sense of humour and a good grasp of history, and I thought it was a good book. I wish more people would read it and perhaps reconsider their opinions of George Bush, Jr.
However, don’t confuse wars. It’s easy to start talking about Afghanistan as being the present day Vietnam. I mean there are parallels, but there are different wars, different people, different times, just as Iraq is quite different than Afghanistan, and I do think Iraq was a containable situation. There were no weapons of mass destruction. That’s been said time and time again by the weapons inspectors, harassed by some very faulty intelligence and became the excuse for two grown men to go play war games with the enormous numbers of lives in a number of countries, and I do think that it was a mistake.
Afghanistan was a brave effort. Had I been in that situation would I have invaded Afghanistan? Probably on balance, I guess, yes, but without any realistic hope of success. I think history shows us that these are not usually winnable wars, but Afghanistan was a different matter. Iraq was not the hotbed of terrorism; it was just a bad guy ruling over a divided country. This isn’t about destroying airplanes or destroying city buildings. To be the international policeman of the world is a dangerous thing to try to do. PB: You’ve had a history of being involved in wildcat conservation. What should we know about this?
IA: Well, I think it’s important not to confuse wildcats with domestic cats, number one. Wildcats don’t make good pets. There are some that take on the onerous incarceration of wild animals, and it’s something that fills me with horror. I come across this in some cases. Some are truly horrible and some are just misguided people who have a great love for wildcats, but locking them up doesn’t seem, to me, to be applicable except as a last resort for endangered species, in which case captive breeding, and indeed, cloning would be the techniques of last resort. But, generally speaking, the first resort is preserving them in the wild in their natural habitat and trying to remove the usual man -made threats that have forced them into extinction. That’s number one. Don’t confuse wild and domestic.
Domestic cats have been domesticated for a long time. It only takes a couple of generations for them to go back to being completely wild, but it takes many generations to get completely tame cats or dogs. It doesn’t take long to back cross to a pure bred wolf, but it takes a long time, many generations, to get a reliable dog again from the wild. It’s usually five or six generations before you can safely handle them.
It’s not something that anybody should want to do, but if you take a domestic cat and back cross it with a cat of the same chromosomes of a similar size then you will get something that is absolutely not handleable. So all those people who fool around with F2 and F3 Bengal cats or some of the hideous crosses between the so called Savannah and the Bengal they look very pretty, but I think it’s a little Frankensteinian. It’s about people who want something exotic, and want to show it off.
PB: Have you thought about writing your own memoirs?
IA: I honestly don’t think very many people would want to read a book that I have written. I’m not interested in talking about me, and I’m 100% disinterested and opposed to talking about people who I’m close to or I have been close to do. I can’t write a biography or a kiss and tell book about people. I just wouldn’t do that, and it is way outside my views as to what is acceptable about revealing things about other people.
I might reveal things about me, but I’m never going to tell you anything about my friends and, like most people, I’ve probably got some fairly juicy things that I could reveal, but there’s no way I’m going to do that.
Other than that, if you ask me to write a book about religion or international politics or something, that would be pretentious or not welcome, but maybe, but not yet. When I’m finally dragged kicking and screaming from a concert stage, with somebody wagging their fingers saying, “You really are too old to be doing this,” then I’ll go home and get out my laptop and start writing.
PB: It’s very hard to imagine Ian Anderson not performing…
IA: Well, it’s going to happen one day. It may well be feet first that I exit the stage, but it’s an honourable way to go…
That's Right. Quizz Kid. I see that you're exactly well informed on everything !
No, not everything, a fair bit about mod culture but I wouldn't profess to be well informed on everything like some
I meant to say that you are knowledgeable about "Vespa and Lambretta". The "Vespa" GS it was an extremely successful model here in Italy until the 70 's.
Hilarious!, please read and hope that a Tull convention attended by both camps does not fall into the same jail cell! lOL Darin Cody
Just think what would have happened if all 12 Doctor's* had turned up, not enough cells. Mind you, with so many multiple personalities on some Tull sites, in some circumstances it would still happen if it was a convention of 1. [more on that later]
[* yes, there have been 12 Doctor's]
I'm sure the Tardis helps with that. LOL It could get downright crowded.
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Re: 1970's New York City « Result #58 on May 15, 2013, 12:50pm »
1970's era Times Square. Graffiti, prostitution, crime, etc. But, oddly enough, there is a considerable amount of nostalgia for the old X-rated Times Square, compared to the current "Disney-fied" G-rated version. I kind of understand that....up to a point.
It is said that Times Square changes every 25 years, so it will be interesting to see what happens there 10-15 years from now.
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1970's New York City « Result #60 on May 15, 2013, 12:30pm »
My second Tull show was the historic 1978 Madison Square Garden show, part of which was broadcast live. I was seventeen and still in high school.
Me and my two best friends, and two girls from my block, took the Long Island Railroad that afternoon from the Stony Brook station, adjacent to the state university. The train was totally packed with college students, and we could overhear them discussing Tull lyrics and philosophy in a cool kind of way. They were openly drinking from flasks and smoking lots and lots of weed, on the train.
Tull were at the tail-end of their peak period, and New York was absolutely crazy. It was much more seedy and dangerous....but had a lot more character than it does today. So much has changed since then.
The Rolling Stones song, here with a lot of great images, sums it up rather well:
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Re: Ryan O'Donnell « Result #62 on May 15, 2013, 11:12am »
Our community is a "college Town" located near Cal State Long Beach. It is fairly small and parking is a intense issue yet small enough that walking is the norm. Students and some residents use Vespas and many other brands and are out and about in force constantly. On the other hand there are quite a few bikes, from full dressers to choppers that "hang" at a lot of the pubs, sports bars and restaurants on 2nd street, the main drag. A while back I took a great shot that I can't find at the moment, of a line of parked Harley's with a scooter parked in the middle of them, the scooters guy chatting with some leather clad bikers. The Bikers looking on with seeming great interest in the scooter. All two wheeled friends. I will try and find it. Darin Note: the scooter riders I'm referring to are more the "nerd" variety, not so much Mods.
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Hilarious!, please read and hope that a Tull convention attended by both camps does not fall into the same jail cell! lOL Darin Cody
Just think what would have happened if all 12 Doctor's* had turned up, not enough cells. Mind you, with so many multiple personalities on some Tull sites, in some circumstances it would still happen if it was a convention of 1. [more on that later]
So, what do American bikers think of 'The Mods' scooters?
Well, knowing little of the history behind that movement and scooters in general I have to say they are rather interesting.
You rarely see a scooter where I live, even though manufacturers have been trying very hard for years to get Americans to think of them as an affordable means of transportation. Our roads are just too unsafe for them, especially with every asshole glued to their cell phones as they drive.
Safety is a primary concern, and with that said I do appreciate the fact that these scooters will catch people's eyes. They remind me of what some of the older Americans do to their full-dressers.
While this pic is not American, it does give an idea how extreme people can get:
The Mods were very much into Italian 'modernist' styling, the scooters were a big part of that at the time, Vespa's and Lambtretta's, with the LI and GS's competing for the bigger sales.
That's Right. Quizz Kid. I see that you're exactly well informed on everything !
I regret he had to show up to set the record straight instead of commenting on other, more amenable subjects but at least it served to stirr the forum up and encourage the ones like me that rarely write. This reminds me of Samuel R. Delany who at one point stoped doing interviews unless written (which seems natural for a writer). IIRC he was once misquoted as saying "teenager" when in fact he was talking about a C Major chord progression.
I agree completely. There are so many things here on the Board that are constructive and fulfilling for a Tull fan, it is too bad so many of the "rare" posters have seen this silliness and perhaps have taken it to be the nature of this place.
Ian must have had to learn a great deal of patience. A single misquoted word--by accident even--unleashed completely hateful and abusive words towards him.
I appreciated the line that summed Tommie's post up nicely--"Keep on taking the tablets."
I'm sure he is generally used to this sort of thing, but goddamn, it's a sad joke when you look at it.
I'm glad Ian intervened--it would perhaps cause those who are overly critical of him (note the word *overly*) to second guess what they have read to make them dislike him in the first place. Ian Anderson interviews throughout the years have not always been accurate.
The headline for the deadline is the breadline.
(of course, I firmly believe that the interviewer in this particular case did not have any agenda)
So, what do American bikers think of 'The Mods' scooters?
I own a motorcycle, Iand i can say that Mod scooters are quite particular. The scooter "Lambretta" is an Italian brand, moreover.
The Mods were very much into Italian 'modernist' styling, the scooters were a big part of that at the time, Vespa's and Lambretta's, with the LI and GS's competing for the bigger sales.
Re: Ian on Bowie - and some backlash... « Result #73 on May 14, 2013, 2:07pm »
I regret he had to show up to set the record straight instead of commenting on other, more amenable subjects but at least it served to stirr the forum up and encourage the ones like me that rarely write. This reminds me of Samuel R. Delany who at one point stoped doing interviews unless written (which seems natural for a writer). IIRC he was once misquoted as saying "teenager" when in fact he was talking about a C Major chord progression.
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Re: Ian Clarke - Deep Blue - New CD « Result #74 on May 14, 2013, 12:16pm »
If any of our many flute players/flautists here want o ask Ian C anything, post it here and I'll pass it on, that is if he doesn't answer it first since I know he's a member here, (like a few other flautists).
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Re: Spin me back down the years - Print Memorabill « Result #75 on May 14, 2013, 12:13pm »
Cheers Kai, much appreciated, there's more at The Manual, and I'll upload the rest of the article as soon as I get a chance. Just found a box of old Q other mags I didn't know I had, so will need time to go through that lot as well.
Hi all.The concert in Zurich and was very nice. Go well, you said to me ... Having already witnessed three other 2 TaaB, the only difference I could see is that at the moment are so "experienced" throughout the show, which goes really well. It was nice of Ian's having mentioned a song from TaaB 2, after the greetings and bows to the audience, saying, "don't forget to call your mum" since we were almost the day of mother's day. He could forget it this subtlety, I guess, 'cause in g.b. this feast is in March. Two more concerts are waiting for me next month in my Country : Torino and Verona.
Thanks for your review Chea. Glad to hear Ian the band were sounding good, especially since I assume James is on drums?
You are fortunate to see them so many times. It's looking like I will not be making a show this year.
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Re: Reassessing Warchild / TOTRR / A / Broadsword « Result #79 on May 14, 2013, 7:25am »
It was a little funny hearing them all out of order. The last one I heard all the way through--oddly enough--was Warchild.
I think for me the first two were Thick as a Brick and Minstrel in the Gallery, followed by Broadsword. I don't remember the rest.
Not a bad way to discover a band. Those were pretty exciting times. Well, as far as Jethro Tull goes... high school was not exciting for the most part.
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Re: Ian Clarke - Deep Blue - New CD « Result #80 on May 14, 2013, 7:21am »
Very great stuff. A lot of his stuff reminds me very much of the Chinese style of flute playing (though they play a different type of flute generally) which I have am a fan of. I would not be surprised if he was influenced by it.
I wonder of we'll hear some similar techniques on the upcoming Ian Anderson releases.
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Re: Python « Result #81 on May 14, 2013, 7:18am »
Also, I remember reading somewhere (probably on this Board) that John Cleese was going to be... what was the phrase.. humour consultant?? something like that--for the Warchild movie that was planned. I don't know if he actually agreed to or even was informed of this.
As for the voting, I may have to wait until later. There is a lot of variety in this bunch
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Re: Ryan O'Donnell « Result #82 on May 14, 2013, 5:46am »
I really like Ryan, his personality and his way of being onstage. I hope Ian foresees for him other collaborations in the next Tour, but also for the next Album. I am fond of Ryan, as of course all previous Band members. I could appreciate it this past weekend and next month there will be two concerts TaaB 2 not far from where I live. M.
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Re: TAAB Tour 2013 « Result #84 on May 14, 2013, 1:20am »
Hi all.The concert in Zurich and was very nice. Go well, you said to me ... Having already witnessed three other 2 TaaB, the only difference I could see is that at the moment are so "experienced" throughout the show, which goes really well. It was nice of Ian's having mentioned a song from TaaB 2, after the greetings and bows to the audience, saying, "don't forget to call your mum" since we were almost the day of mother's day. He could forget it this subtlety, I guess, 'cause in g.b. this feast is in March. Two more concerts are waiting for me next month in my Country : Torino and Verona.
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Re: Ian Clarke - Deep Blue - New CD « Result #89 on May 13, 2013, 12:39pm »
Thanks for posting that. BRILLIANT player, really great stuff. My orders in. He is a truely gifted "flautist". (Many are only flute players) He reminds me a bit of Steve Kujala who I havent heard from lately but used to play with Chick Corea. His first solo "album" was "Fresh Flute". Not alot of classically trained flautists out there do there own material or write music. Just listen to how "clean" this guy plays will performing musical acrobatics. Very impressive. Darin "flute fan" Cody
Glad to see you are appreciating some 'lost gems'. Perhaps it's because I came into Tull in the mid 90's as a child growing up, but I dig every Tull album. Who knows, though, how it would've been if I'd heard them in sequence? To me, Tull music feels like home base and all of it is worth listening to and appreciating.
Good point. I've been listening to them sequentially since '77 and I'm not sure which order I would go in if I started listening '90.
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Re: Reassessing Warchild / TOTRR / A / Broadsword « Result #91 on May 13, 2013, 11:46am »
Glad to see you are appreciating some 'lost gems'. Perhaps it's because I came into Tull in the mid 90's as a child growing up, but I dig every Tull album. Who knows, though, how it would've been if I'd heard them in sequence? To me, Tull music feels like home base and all of it is worth listening to and appreciating.
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Ian Clarke - Deep Blue - New CD « Result #97 on May 12, 2013, 4:52pm »
People should remember Ian Clarke a great Flautist who gave us an exclusive and great Q&A a couple of years ago. Our old friend has dropped us a line to say that he has a new CD out now and it seems that another flautist who we know gave this early review....
"Ian Clarke's new CD transcends the work of most other flautists from a Classical Music background. Constantly inventive and cutting edge in terms of rhythm, melody and "alternative" flute-playing techniques, he brings great traditional skills to bear too, with perfect intonation and technical bravado. An eclectic delight! Luckily for me, he doesn't sing or play acoustic guitar as well...."
Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull
In another review Emmanuel Pahud, principal flute of the Berliner Philharmonker said:
"You create new fields of sound and music making on the flute, always expressive and virtuosic ... that takes us beyond anything we've heard before."
Anyone who has heard any of Ian C's work will probably want to have a dip into his new work. I saw hin at the Flutewise gig that Tull headlined a few years ago and became an immediate fan.
The CD (physical & digital) is available now at Music Glue:
Music Glue is set up for bands and artists as an alternative to the big guns. Postage is free in the UK with international shipping for non-UK.
The CD [physical disc] is also available from Amazon UK - the link is on Ian's website. Ignore the out of stock marker. Ian advises that Music Glue is better stocked so it would be quicker if people want to get their hands on a physical copy.
For people are in the US the CD is available digitally from CD Baby:
Wow nice job, certainly better than the 20 years version that sound so midrange and draggy I like the crisper guitar and organ, pretty cool thanks Charlie and Pat!! Darin
I just listened for comparison (the 20 years version, I dont recall where else it has been published or on what other re-masters) but this newest is so much clearer. The 20 years version is buried in reverb so its just very muddy. This is much clearer, both guitars, organ and Ians vocal. The Jam at the end runs on a bit longer also I think. I'm afraid I'm still partial to the punchier arrangement from the US album version. I know a lot of folks like this one but it just sounds very unfinished to me and the flute on the US version was a great addition.
Darin
No doubt, I enjoy the GC version more as well.
I remember talking with Glenn about who created that base line and he did say it was all his. So hats off to him.
Thanks for the MP3, saved me opening the pack and trying to set up the turntable etc, So, what do you think of the Teacher mix?
I found it a little crisper in tone for the keyboards with Martin's guitar to the fore, but on first listening I thought it was a little poppy and maybe a little too bright.
But I'm sure it'll grow on me, and I'm looking forward to the album remaster.
Wow nice job, certainly better than the 20 years version that sound so midrange and draggy I like the crisper guitar and organ, pretty cool thanks Charlie and Pat!! Darin
I just listened for comparison (the 20 years version, I dont recall where else it has been published or on what other re-masters) but this newest is so much clearer. The 20 years version is buried in reverb so its just very muddy. This is much clearer, both guitars, organ and Ians vocal. The Jam at the end runs on a bit longer also I think. I'm afraid I'm still partial to the punchier arrangement from the US album version. I know a lot of folks like this one but it just sounds very unfinished to me and the flute on the US version was a great addition.
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