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Post by jtul07 on May 25, 2012 9:07:00 GMT -5
I've been playing bits of TAAB2 to some people whose knowledge of Jethro Tull is very minimal, and their ears prick up and they enthuse over how it grabs their attention, and how it is different from what they usually hear in "popular" music.
We, as fans, bring all sorts of baggage and personal history with the music and past albums when we hear a new release. These factors can sometimes color our appreciation of a new work. Nothing to be ashamed of, it's only natural! So it has been very interesting to hear the opinions of people who are not judging what they hear against a 40 year old release.
Didn't Ian Anderson say, in interviews 20-odd years ago, that the only competition a new Tull album had to face was Tull's own back catalogue? Very wise, that Scotsman...
I love TAAB2, and I've been a fan for 33 years. What baggage I bring to the table is for other people to evaluate, if they are that bored! When you enjoy something new, travel light. Less to carry.
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Post by imfugus on May 30, 2012 8:21:49 GMT -5
From things I've read in numerous places, the veterans of Tull (Doane Perry, Martin Barre, etc., etc.) are not performing on TAAB2 by choice. Given Ian Anderson's penchant for touring and live performance, I think that that's understandable. If you were a 60 something, would you want to give up a year or more jetting around the globe and performing in city after city night after night? I think not. While we would've all liked to see/hear the original members of the TAAB 1 album do the TAAB 2 album, it didn't happen. Get over it. TAAB 2 is a wonderful album and Ian Anderson has assembled a formidable group of musicians to perform it with him. If we all have the ambition and energy that Ian Anderson has at 64, the future will be brighter for everyone.
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Post by jtul07 on May 30, 2012 9:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by Morthoron on May 30, 2012 22:13:07 GMT -5
From things I've read in numerous places, the veterans of Tull (Doane Perry, Martin Barre, etc., etc.) are not performing on TAAB2 by choice. Given Ian Anderson's penchant for touring and live performance, I think that that's understandable. If you were a 60 something, would you want to give up a year or more jetting around the globe and performing in city after city night after night? I think not. While we would've all liked to see/hear the original members of the TAAB 1 album do the TAAB 2 album, it didn't happen. Get over it. TAAB 2 is a wonderful album and Ian Anderson has assembled a formidable group of musicians to perform it with him. If we all have the ambition and energy that Ian Anderson has at 64, the future will be brighter for everyone. I'm sorry, but your comment is idiotic. Martin Barre has been touring with his band New Day (along with Jonathon Noyce, another member of Tull). Doane Perry is only 58, and doesn't seem to be using a walker. Dave Pegg (another former member of Tull) will be touring in Europe with Fairport Convention after the Cropredy Festival, and then he's going on two separate tours with solo projects. Andrew Giddings is only 48 and doing solo projects. That other members of Tull aren't participating has nothing to do with touring. If you wish to get indignant and make smarmy comments, get your facts straight. And then you can get over it.
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Post by imfugus on May 31, 2012 8:18:27 GMT -5
Yes, the plethora of tour dates off the European continent for both Martin Barre and Fairport is quite impressive-not.
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Post by TM on May 31, 2012 14:26:13 GMT -5
From things I've read in numerous places, the veterans of Tull (Doane Perry, Martin Barre, etc., etc.) are not performing on TAAB2 by choice. Given Ian Anderson's penchant for touring and live performance, I think that that's understandable. If you were a 60 something, would you want to give up a year or more jetting around the globe and performing in city after city night after night? I think not. While we would've all liked to see/hear the original members of the TAAB 1 album do the TAAB 2 album, it didn't happen. Get over it. TAAB 2 is a wonderful album and Ian Anderson has assembled a formidable group of musicians to perform it with him. If we all have the ambition and energy that Ian Anderson has at 64, the future will be brighter for everyone. I'm sorry, but your comment is idiotic. Martin Barre has been touring with his band New Day (along with Jonathon Noyce, another member of Tull). Doane Perry is only 58, and doesn't seem to be using a walker. Dave Pegg (another former member of Tull) will be touring in Europe with Fairport Convention after the Cropredy Festival, and then he's going on two separate tours with solo projects. Andrew Giddings is only 48 and doing solo projects. That other members of Tull aren't participating has nothing to do with touring. If you wish to get indignant and make smarmy comments, get your facts straight. And then you can get over it. You're turning into an old softy - "I'm sorry".
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Post by TM on May 31, 2012 14:28:03 GMT -5
Yes, the plethora of tour dates off the European continent for both Martin Barre and Fairport is quite impressive-not. Hi, why are you suggesting Martin and Doane have no interest in touring?
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Post by Morthoron on May 31, 2012 19:36:45 GMT -5
Yes, the plethora of tour dates off the European continent for both Martin Barre and Fairport is quite impressive-not. It doesn't change the fact that your comment that other Tull members "are not performing on TAAB2 by choice" is utterly nonsense, and then adding that they're too old to tour is idiotic. They are not performing on TAAB2 because Ian blew them off, plain and simple. And if I recall correctly, both Barriemore and Martin were quite put off by the snub. I will continue to maintain that Mr. Anderson made a mistake in using hired hands to imitate a Tull album. And that to me is what TAAB2 is: a solo effort stealing bits and pieces of a masterpiece in order to sell more CDs and garner more press than he's had since Tull won a Grammy. It is fine as solo albums go, better than all his others from a cumulative standpoint. Personally, I think Ian should have swallowed his ego 30 years ago and brought in another singer. Listening to him live is gut-wrenchingly painful at times.
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Post by imfugus on Jun 1, 2012 7:53:36 GMT -5
I believe that I have been completely misunderstood. I am not suggesting that Martin, Doane, Barriemore and/or David, etc. etc. have no interest in touring or that they are "too old" to do so. I am suggesting that they have no interest in making a commitment to an extensive world tour that being involved with TAAB 2 would require. They are at an age where they have other priorities, interests, projects--what have you, that are more important to them. And if that's perceived as utter nonsense, well, we're all entitled to our opinions. I don't dispute that there are probably hurt feelings because Ian Anderson went ahead with TAAB 2 without veterans of TAAB 1. I don't see how it could be otherwise. As to Mr. Anderson's ego, Ian Anderson is Ian Anderson. Nothing anyone says will change that. And, I do agree that listening to his vocals "live" at times is painful. Still TAAB 2 is a fine album and I anxiously await November 2012 when I will see and hear it "LIVE."
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Post by Robin on Jun 1, 2012 8:12:39 GMT -5
They are not performing on TAAB2 because Ian blew them off, plain and simple. And if I recall correctly, both Barriemore and Martin were quite put off by the snub. I will continue to maintain that Mr. Anderson made a mistake in using hired hands to imitate a Tull album. And that to me is what TAAB2 is: a solo effort stealing bits and pieces of a masterpiece in order to sell more CDs and garner more press than he's had since Tull won a Grammy. It is fine as solo albums go, better than all his others from a cumulative standpoint. Personally, I think Ian should have swallowed his ego 30 years ago and brought in another singer. Listening to him live is gut-wrenchingly painful at times. Is it a coincidence that you dislike Ian's personality, his actions, his vocals nowadays, the musical content of TAAB2 and imfugus? You sound like a crying baby to me.
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Post by Morthoron on Jun 1, 2012 21:11:21 GMT -5
They are not performing on TAAB2 because Ian blew them off, plain and simple. And if I recall correctly, both Barriemore and Martin were quite put off by the snub. I will continue to maintain that Mr. Anderson made a mistake in using hired hands to imitate a Tull album. And that to me is what TAAB2 is: a solo effort stealing bits and pieces of a masterpiece in order to sell more CDs and garner more press than he's had since Tull won a Grammy. It is fine as solo albums go, better than all his others from a cumulative standpoint. Personally, I think Ian should have swallowed his ego 30 years ago and brought in another singer. Listening to him live is gut-wrenchingly painful at times. Is it a coincidence that you dislike Ian's personality, his actions, his vocals nowadays, the musical content of TAAB2 and imfugus? You sound like a crying baby to me. I have a valid opinion that runs counter to yours, and I stated specifics as to why I felt that way; ergo, I'm a crying baby? Well, I have no intention of being a bootlicker for anyone, although you are most welcome to fill any vacancies in case Ian needs his shoes shined.
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Post by Robin on Jun 2, 2012 3:36:03 GMT -5
Is it a coincidence that you dislike Ian's personality, his actions, his vocals nowadays, the musical content of TAAB2 and imfugus? You sound like a crying baby to me. I have a valid opinion that runs counter to yours, and I stated specifics as to why I felt that way; ergo, I'm a crying baby? Well, I have no intention of being a bootlicker for anyone, although you are most welcome to fill any vacancies in case Ian needs his shoes shined. What makes me think strangely of your opinion is the coincidence that you seem to strongly dislike a) Ian's personality, b) his vocals nowadays and c) his songwriting abilities nowadays - three things that are completely unrelated, but can be all used to bash Ian. The fact that you list one negative thing after another and the vocabulary that you use. One can say stuff in a much nicer way. Even a negative opinion. Saying "your post is completely idiotic" to someone who didn't insult anybody or did anything particularly extreme, really, seems pretty childish to me. All he did was giving a point of view that is favorable for Ian. Something that you don't quite seem to like to see, because you detest Ian Anderson. And calling me a "bootlicker" because of what I said, screams "maturity" too. Let alone the way your reviews of TAAB2 are written. And even if - I'd rather be a bootlicker than as filled with hate as you are. It seems like you can't even imagine what this man has achieved in his life. If there are people who deserve to get their boots licked, hell yeah, then Ian Anderson is one of them.
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Post by jtul07 on Jun 2, 2012 8:46:05 GMT -5
In reference to all this talk of 'Licking Boots', I always liked Ian's Boots too. "In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me, as you lick the boots of death born out of fear. I don't believe you: you had the whole damn thing all wrong -- He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays."
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Post by Robin on Jun 3, 2012 8:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by Morthoron on Jun 3, 2012 8:53:47 GMT -5
What makes me think strangely of your opinion is the coincidence that you seem to strongly dislike a) Ian's personality, b) his vocals nowadays and c) his songwriting abilities nowadays - three things that are completely unrelated, but can be all used to bash Ian. The fact that you list one negative thing after another and the vocabulary that you use. In reply: a) Did I say I strongly dislike Ian's personality? Certain aspects perhaps. I don't put anyone on a pedestal like a sycophant. I honestly think Ian's ego got in the way for TAAB2, and the album suffered for it. Fine solo work though, as I said in the review. Could've been better removing the TAAB references. b) His vocals are dreadful. Have been for decades. The best thing for Ian is not to tax his vocals and stick with acoustic songs - that way you can still get a faint glimmer of his old voice. This is also the case for TAAB2. c) I don't believe I bashed his songwriting ability anywhere. But hey, make up whatever you'd like to try to prove a pointless point. One can say stuff in a much nicer way. Even a negative opinion. And one can lick boots, brown-nose, and kiss ass as well. You want to play nice, get your own sandbox. Saying "your post is completely idiotic" to someone who didn't insult anybody or did anything particularly extreme, really, seems pretty childish to me. It was idiotic. It took a premise that never existed and was untrue and tried to make it fact. I suppose one could exchange the word "idiotic" for "full of shit" or "talking out of your ass". The line: Is not true. No one said they were not performing on TAAB2 by choice, and this did not appear in numerous places. They also did not decline because they couldn't tour anymore. But with your rose-colored glasses you'd prefer to go after me rather than seeing the issue as it is. All he did was giving a point of view that is favorable for Ian. Something that you don't quite seem to like to see, because you detest Ian Anderson. And calling me a "bootlicker" because of what I said, screams "maturity" too. Let alone the way your reviews of TAAB2 are written. I took someone to task about an untruth that was favorable to Ian and prejudicial to other former band members. Get your facts straight. Nowhere have I written that I "detest" Ian Anderson. That is laughable; in fact, I am one of the biggest boosters on Tull on the internet. As far as maturity, it is overvalued. We wouldn't be here at 50 talking about rock bands if maturity was a primary concern. In regards to my review, I was asked by Paul to write an unbiased review of TAAB2, warts and all, that would get discussion going. I believe I achieved it. If he had asked to write a gilded piece of bullshit for fanboys, I would have declined, and left you to write about your teen heart throb. And even if - I'd rather be a bootlicker than as filled with hate as you are. It seems like you can't even imagine what this man has achieved in his life. If there are people who deserve to get their boots licked, hell yeah, then Ian Anderson is one of them. "Filled with hate"? That is funny. Your whole paragraph here tells me everything I need to know about bootlicking, and I decline your invitation to stick my nose up someone's ass. We are talking about a review of a single album here, junior, not handing out a life achievement award. On my blog, I have six Tull albums listed among the greatest rock albums ever recorded. Anderson's legacy has nothing to do with TAAB2. Perhaps if you understood the difference between one album and lifetime achievement you'd make more sense.
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Post by jtul07 on Jun 3, 2012 10:26:31 GMT -5
Come on guys, let's smoke a Peace Pipe with Ian.
Okay, let's have a beer with Ian. Smoking tobacco is not good for you. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 14:14:45 GMT -5
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Post by jtul07 on Jun 3, 2012 15:04:44 GMT -5
Check out that nice Tull Buckle too. "Roll Yer Own ?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 15:10:56 GMT -5
Awesome belt buckle indeed, Jim! I think Ian has gotten a case of the munchies now...(You can thank my wonderful girlfriend for making that one.)
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Post by jtul07 on Jun 3, 2012 15:21:17 GMT -5
That earns the post of the month! IMHO. ;D
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Post by jtul07 on Jun 3, 2012 15:43:18 GMT -5
;D Thanks Guys! ;DThat was some Killer Shit! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 17:30:51 GMT -5
Hahahaha, Perfect!!!
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Post by jtul07 on Jun 3, 2012 18:39:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 21:09:04 GMT -5
They're definitely having fun. Jim, I think we've successfully destroyed this thread's decency, a pat on the back for both of us!
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Post by jtul07 on Jun 3, 2012 22:10:49 GMT -5
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