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Post by Lucas on Apr 16, 2014 17:16:27 GMT -5
I like the squeezy thing and for me it sounded really good on The Engineer. To each his own.
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Post by Chea on Apr 17, 2014 6:40:36 GMT -5
Hi all ! We have received some sort of gift, by Ian and the Band for this Easter, with the wonderful "Homo Erraticus " Album , and I wish you all a Happy Easter, waiting for the forthcoming Tour . Michele.
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Post by Non Rabbit on Apr 17, 2014 17:26:11 GMT -5
My, we have some harsh critics on here. Ian Anderson, now a veteran has written two really nice albums in short succession. Tuneful and more rounded than a lot of the later forced Tull albums. I like HE, even after three listens. I think it will grow as did TAAB 2. I'ts not a solo record it's a band sound but obviously not Tull, Shit happens.
Who else could tackle the subject of the wandering of man so well? Over stuffed with lyrics? well theres a lot of wanderings to cramb in. I don't compare the musicians (or albums) with the Tull guys because nothing will bring them back., I long for for Martin and Barrie to bash out a riff as well, and my live days are gone.
Sounding in parts like past albums? Well yes, he wrote those as well. That's why we got into Tull. Already I hear Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow and on one song ( can't remember at the moment) I feel like shouting Fray Bentos pie: always a winner. Tripudium Ad Bellum has some beautiful flute and rythmn that takes me back to Living in the Past.
We have to remaember this is not a disappointing album from a band at their peak. Its an all new and interesting piece of music from someone, who by all rights should not have much left in the tank.
Prog and metal it's not, but if only as a reminder of the music we loved, Rejoice.
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Post by TM on Apr 17, 2014 17:36:48 GMT -5
Hi all ! We have received some sort of gift, by Ian and the Band for this Easter, with the wonderful "Homo Erraticus " Album , and I wish you all a Happy Easter, waiting for the forthcoming Tour . Michele. Hey Michele, enjoy the album and the holiday! Paul
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Post by TM on Apr 17, 2014 21:14:37 GMT -5
My, we have some harsh critics on here. Ian Anderson, now a veteran has written two really nice albums in short succession. Tuneful and more rounded than a lot of the later forced Tull albums. I like HE, even after three listens. I think it will grow as did TAAB 2. I'ts not a solo record it's a band sound but obviously not Tull, Shit happens. Who else could tackle the subject of the wandering of man so well? Over stuffed with lyrics? well theres a lot of wanderings to cramb in. I don't compare the musicians (or albums) with the Tull guys because nothing will bring them back., I long for for Martin and Barrie to bash out a riff as well, and my live days are gone. Sounding in parts like past albums? Well yes, he wrote those as well. That's why we got into Tull. Already I hear Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow and on one song ( can't remember at the moment) I feel like shouting Fray Bentos pie: always a winner. Tripudium Ad Bellum has some beautiful flute and rythmn that takes me back to Living in the Past. We have to remaember this is not a disappointing album from a band at their peak. Its an all new and interesting piece of music from someone, who by all rights should not have much left in the tank. Prog and metal it's not, but if only as a reminder of the music we loved, Rejoice. You make an excellent point. It's no different then our favorite athlete who's brought so much joy to us for years but is now in his declining years. The question is though, is that how IA wants to be perceived?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 22:04:47 GMT -5
My, we have some harsh critics on here. Ian Anderson, now a veteran has written two really nice albums in short succession. Tuneful and more rounded than a lot of the later forced Tull albums. I like HE, even after three listens. I think it will grow as did TAAB 2. I'ts not a solo record it's a band sound but obviously not Tull, Shit happens. Who else could tackle the subject of the wandering of man so well? Over stuffed with lyrics? well theres a lot of wanderings to cramb in. I don't compare the musicians (or albums) with the Tull guys because nothing will bring them back., I long for for Martin and Barrie to bash out a riff as well, and my live days are gone. Sounding in parts like past albums? Well yes, he wrote those as well. That's why we got into Tull. Already I hear Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow and on one song ( can't remember at the moment) I feel like shouting Fray Bentos pie: always a winner. Tripudium Ad Bellum has some beautiful flute and rythmn that takes me back to Living in the Past. We have to remaember this is not a disappointing album from a band at their peak. Its an all new and interesting piece of music from someone, who by all rights should not have much left in the tank. Prog and metal it's not, but if only as a reminder of the music we loved, Rejoice. You make an excellent point. It's no different then our favorite athlete who's brought so much joy to us for years but is now in his declining years. The question is though, is that how IA wants to be perceived? I think you are misreading his post. I don't read anything in his comments about a declining artist, rather that this is an fresh and exciting piece of music. It requires no caveats or asterisk. It stands on its own as a superb release by an artist that has set a high bar for excellence. I hope there are many more.
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Post by Michael Crowe on Apr 18, 2014 0:30:31 GMT -5
My, we have some harsh critics on here. Ian Anderson, now a veteran has written two really nice albums in short succession. Tuneful and more rounded than a lot of the later forced Tull albums. I like HE, even after three listens. I think it will grow as did TAAB 2. I'ts not a solo record it's a band sound but obviously not Tull, Shit happens. Who else could tackle the subject of the wandering of man so well? Over stuffed with lyrics? well theres a lot of wanderings to cramb in. I don't compare the musicians (or albums) with the Tull guys because nothing will bring them back., I long for for Martin and Barrie to bash out a riff as well, and my live days are gone. Sounding in parts like past albums? Well yes, he wrote those as well. That's why we got into Tull. Already I hear Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow and on one song ( can't remember at the moment) I feel like shouting Fray Bentos pie: always a winner. Tripudium Ad Bellum has some beautiful flute and rythmn that takes me back to Living in the Past. We have to remaember this is not a disappointing album from a band at their peak. Its an all new and interesting piece of music from someone, who by all rights should not have much left in the tank. Prog and metal it's not, but if only as a reminder of the music we loved, Rejoice. Some good points there. Metal it ain't, but Prog it is. As a part time cynic, mostly on weekends, I have to say I like the album after two listens. It won't make the top rotation for all of 2014 but it will spin a few times o're the next months as a soundtrack to shooting pool, painting, changing guitar strings and Friday break dancing sessions. Attempting to listen with fresh ears and not to compare with ghost of Tull past (yeah, right), I find nothing not to like, if nothing to really love, and nothing here irritates me, makes me duck, or compels me to want to end my life. ........ What Yngwie solo? Are you kidding? I actually sat down and played along with Florian The Young note for note within ten minutes - come on! In fact, I didn't hear anything on guitar that was inappropriate like some here have mentioned, or even something Martin might not have had a go at himself - Florian even sounds like Martin most of the time to me here anyway. I really like the Hammond organ on this one, and the drumming is good, if not over the top where it could have been. Production over all is good but the first track "Doggerland" sounded right channel heavy a lot of the time, and there are times when the mix loses ergency on the heavier parts. The flute and voice need to sink back a bit at times and let the guitar come forth, but then that could be said for any Tull/IA album From Crest onward. Also think Ian's now famous voice is fine on this - good in fact, except for a couple of places where I just don't like the way he phrases - something he has to do these days so I let it pass. All songs are about even good to me with good execution by the band. Nothing that really stands out as a classic but no clunkers. So I guess there are no fillers here - imagine that. I like the lyrics better than I thought I would. This whole thing actually works for me, but I grew a little tired toward the end and longed a bit for a "tune" rather than a "work," and perhaps one about wood elves, damsels or farms on a freeway rather than one man's cliff notes version of human existance in black and white. This album is hard to compare to other IA solo disc because to me it sounds like Tull, and so it is in all but name and Martin Barre. And for that reason it draws the comparisons to other works that SLOB and Rupi don't. I'll give it three squeezy things out of five easily and a thumbs up (unbelievable for someone who wouldn't buy TAAB2 - haven't even heard it all yet). Considering this trip has been going on since 1968, I don't think I could have imagined, back in 1971 when I came on board, that IA would be doing something this sharp, or anything at all really, 14 years into the distant 21rst century.
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Post by Lucas on Apr 18, 2014 1:41:56 GMT -5
Well said!
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Post by Non Rabbit on Apr 18, 2014 4:38:15 GMT -5
Just palyed it again in the car. Top tip for the more staid senior members. Turn it up to just below the pain threshold, then you will get a grip on the lively sections.
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Post by giveguybrushgrog on Apr 18, 2014 9:01:35 GMT -5
impressions and scattered thoughts - a lot of the material here beat my expectations in terms of how good it could be, and what either ian or the band were capable of. "taab 3" comparisons are fitting, but theres a great deal of evolution and the dynamic is far more that of a band than taab 2. there is more production and imo it adds to the album. treats ians voice nicely, who, i was fairly shocked to hear hit some of the high notes he goes for. where hes ripping himself off, for example heavy metals, i cant help but be struck that his 'final take' sounds like just that. as for the musicians, i was already liking this keyboardist more than any since probably john evans, certainly more than andy giddings. the drummer has grown on me, a lot, though barrie barlow he is not. i could not be happier with the bassist. and im happy with florian on this album where he didnt stand out much on the last. man i hate when ian does the hot mango flush thing, but it doesnt take away from the song, and i havent been able to get that flute line out of my head. all of that said, i do get some fatigue by the time i get to pax britanica. its done well, but ive been tired of ian doing irish jigs for some time now. where ian is normally excellent with connecting musical themes, it just seems to blur the back end of the album. i expected and hoped for more from new blood old veins. in for a pound is a waste of time imo. elements of the browning of the green are just about the last things i look forward to on this album, though cold dead reckoning is growing on me.
in summary, it has some of the same problems past albums by ian/tull have had. where its good, i think its excellent. certainly all ill be listening to for a while, that is until the passion/chateau remix.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 14:38:27 GMT -5
My, we have some harsh critics on here. Ian Anderson, now a veteran has written two really nice albums in short succession. Tuneful and more rounded than a lot of the later forced Tull albums. I like HE, even after three listens. I think it will grow as did TAAB 2. I'ts not a solo record it's a band sound but obviously not Tull, Shit happens. Who else could tackle the subject of the wandering of man so well? Over stuffed with lyrics? well theres a lot of wanderings to cramb in. I don't compare the musicians (or albums) with the Tull guys because nothing will bring them back., I long for for Martin and Barrie to bash out a riff as well, and my live days are gone. Sounding in parts like past albums? Well yes, he wrote those as well. That's why we got into Tull. Already I hear Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow and on one song ( can't remember at the moment) I feel like shouting Fray Bentos pie: always a winner. Tripudium Ad Bellum has some beautiful flute and rythmn that takes me back to Living in the Past. We have to remaember this is not a disappointing album from a band at their peak. Its an all new and interesting piece of music from someone, who by all rights should not have much left in the tank. Prog and metal it's not, but if only as a reminder of the music we loved, Rejoice. Non Rabbit: There is a member on the other Tull board by the same name. That Non Rabbit is entirely more negative about Homo Erraticus than you. Are you the same person? If so, you are giving me whiplash.
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Post by Biggles on Apr 18, 2014 22:55:27 GMT -5
Thank you Mike. You are spot on. I just finished my first listen, one song at a time, over the last say, twelve hours. My two cents.. I believe the electric guitar (even if I disagree with his mix) is exactly how Ian intended, drums too for that matter (low key). My concerns were, will these guys jell? ..they do jell. I think HE will play even better live.
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Post by Dan on Apr 19, 2014 0:26:09 GMT -5
Has anyone listened to the deluxe version and what is your take on the demo versions on Disc 3? I haven't heard anyone talk about that yet.
Dan
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Post by Michael Crowe on Apr 19, 2014 0:45:42 GMT -5
Thank you Mike. You are spot on. I just finished my first listen, one song at a time, over the last say, twelve hours. My two cents.. I believe the electric guitar (even if I disagree with his mix) is exactly how Ian intended, drums too for that matter (low key). My concerns were, will these guys jell? ..they do jell. I think HE will play even better live. This thing is really starting to grow on me Bigs. I've heard it four times now and the last time I skipped 'Enter The Uninvited' and 'Puer Ferox Adventus', and could live without track 14 (forget the name .. the spoken track) even though that was interesting a couple of times. So that's twelve of fifteen songs that's stood up to four listens so far, and the other two songs are okay over all, just didn't crank my tractor. Yeah I thought the mix was okay. Typical or better than what we've gotten the last decade or so. I Like the guitar sound but wish they had spread it across the stereo spectrum more. But then that's the way Martin's guitar was always mixed. IA mentioned the term Heavy Metal. Well, not even close, but if those guitars were mixed the same way a power rock band would mix it, then I could see perhaps what he was saying. I mean, the heavy tracks are there and I can hear what he was alluding to but the final mix didn't go there obviously. Yeah, the guys do seem to jell here. I might want to see this one live.
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Post by Preston Platform on Apr 19, 2014 2:13:38 GMT -5
Has anyone listened to the deluxe version and what is your take on the demo versions on Disc 3? I haven't heard anyone talk about that yet. Dan Track one is Ian prattling on about the 5 star luxury hotel and the problems of creating demos whilst being interrupted by room service or hotel employees wanting to check the mini bar.( I found it all a bit annoying) The demos are interesting , but would never wish to hear them again. His vocal range and voice is so poor . The most interesting part is the final track where band members talk about the tracks of Homo
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Post by Dan on Apr 19, 2014 7:03:13 GMT -5
Has anyone listened to the deluxe version and what is your take on the demo versions on Disc 3? I haven't heard anyone talk about that yet. Dan Track one is Ian prattling on about the 5 star luxury hotel and the problems of creating demos whilst being interrupted by room service or hotel employees wanting to check the mini bar.( I found it all a bit annoying) The demos are interesting , but would never wish to hear them again. His vocal range and voice is so poor . The most interesting part is the final track where band members talk about the tracks of Homo Thanks. I'm sorry to hear that. That was one of the reasons for my buying the deluxe version. I don't have 5.1. Surround and don't really watch a video (like the making of) more than once. I enjoy the stripped down songs sometimes better than the finished product and was hoping it was some good demos and not just I.A. complaining about his Rocks on the Road. Dan
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Post by Non Rabbit on Apr 19, 2014 7:21:02 GMT -5
Non Rabbit:
There is a member on the other Tull board by the same name. That Non Rabbit is entirely more negative about Homo Erraticus than you. Are you the same person? If so, you are giving me whiplash.
Nope, never been on this other forum. Didn't know one existed.
Anyway, Scotland's not big enough for two Non Rabbits.
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Post by Biggles on Apr 19, 2014 10:46:40 GMT -5
Thank you Mike. You are spot on. I just finished my first listen, one song at a time, over the last say, twelve hours. My two cents.. I believe the electric guitar (even if I disagree with his mix) is exactly how Ian intended, drums too for that matter (low key). My concerns were, will these guys jell? ..they do jell. I think HE will play even better live. This thing is really starting to grow on me Bigs. I've heard it four times now and the last time I skipped 'Enter The Uninvited' and 'Puer Ferox Adventus', and could live without track 14 (forget the name .. the spoken track) even though that was interesting a couple of times. So that's twelve of fifteen songs that's stood up to four listens so far, and the other two songs are okay over all, just didn't crank my tractor. Yeah I thought the mix was okay. Typical or better than what we've gotten the last decade or so. I Like the guitar sound but wish they had spread it across the stereo spectrum more. But then that's the way Martin's guitar was always mixed. IA mentioned the term Heavy Metal. Well, not even close, but if those guitars were mixed the same way a power rock band would mix it, then I could see perhaps what he was saying. I mean, the heavy tracks are there and I can hear what he was alluding to but the final mix didn't go there obviously. Yeah, the guys do seem to jell here. I might want to see this one live. I just don't hear the guitar pushing the air the way I like it. I hear the bass pushing the guitar (rather nicely). I think David has the best overall tone on this recording. Ian's voice and flute are strong. John is brilliant, the most fluid playing from him so far. And Scott is right in your face. But the guitar sounds contradictory to Ian's description and is once again way too thin, like COAK. But hey, I'm a Marty Friedman fan. I want my face melted with crunch and shred most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 10:58:40 GMT -5
This thing is really starting to grow on me Bigs. I've heard it four times now and the last time I skipped 'Enter The Uninvited' and 'Puer Ferox Adventus', and could live without track 14 (forget the name .. the spoken track) even though that was interesting a couple of times. So that's twelve of fifteen songs that's stood up to four listens so far, and the other two songs are okay over all, just didn't crank my tractor. Yeah I thought the mix was okay. Typical or better than what we've gotten the last decade or so. I Like the guitar sound but wish they had spread it across the stereo spectrum more. But then that's the way Martin's guitar was always mixed. IA mentioned the term Heavy Metal. Well, not even close, but if those guitars were mixed the same way a power rock band would mix it, then I could see perhaps what he was saying. I mean, the heavy tracks are there and I can hear what he was alluding to but the final mix didn't go there obviously. Yeah, the guys do seem to jell here. I might want to see this one live. I just don't hear the guitar pushing the air the way I like it. I hear the bass pushing the guitar (rather nicely). I think David has the best overall tone on this recording. Ian's voice and flute are strong. John is brilliant, the most fluid playing from him so far. And Scott is right in your face. But the guitar sounds contradictory to Ian's description and is once again way too thin, like COAK. But hey, I'm a Marty Friedman fan. I want my face melted with crunch and shred most of the time. Are you a fan of Tull's period from TAAB to Stormwatch? Martin's guitar parts are very much part of an ensemble and only rarely came to the front. True guitar solos were rare in those days.
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Post by LJG on Apr 19, 2014 13:01:30 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Ian's reference to "Heavy Metal" was just a throw-back joke to their award?
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Post by Biggles on Apr 19, 2014 19:03:59 GMT -5
I just don't hear the guitar pushing the air the way I like it. I hear the bass pushing the guitar (rather nicely). I think David has the best overall tone on this recording. Ian's voice and flute are strong. John is brilliant, the most fluid playing from him so far. And Scott is right in your face. But the guitar sounds contradictory to Ian's description and is once again way too thin, like COAK. But hey, I'm a Marty Friedman fan. I want my face melted with crunch and shred most of the time. Are you a fan of Tull's period from TAAB to Stormwatch? Martin's guitar parts are very much part of an ensemble and only rarely came to the front. True guitar solos were rare in those days. Good grief man. I just listened to Heavy Horses and TOTRR this morning. Martin is represented in a huge way stereophonically. No Lullaby? Taxi Grab? nope, I don't hear any guitar solos there "True guitar solos were rare in those days." True guitar solos were in abundance in those (my) days. True guitar solos are rare, if not nonexistent in these days.
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Post by TM on Apr 19, 2014 19:28:03 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. Very quickly - Martin is featured in Dark Ages, Pibroch, Quiz Kid, Queen & Country, Back Door Angels, Minstrel, Black Satin Dancer, Heavy Horses, Hunting Girl, and I'm sure many others.
I was fully expecting Ian to cut Florian loose on this record simply based on his "metal" comments, but in hindsight it is clear he was talking about the metal flute.
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Post by housebrick on Apr 19, 2014 19:50:55 GMT -5
I just don't hear the guitar pushing the air the way I like it. I hear the bass pushing the guitar (rather nicely). I think David has the best overall tone on this recording. Ian's voice and flute are strong. John is brilliant, the most fluid playing from him so far. And Scott is right in your face. But the guitar sounds contradictory to Ian's description and is once again way too thin, like COAK. But hey, I'm a Marty Friedman fan. I want my face melted with crunch and shred most of the time. Are you a fan of Tull's period from TAAB to Stormwatch? Martin's guitar parts are very much part of an ensemble and only rarely came to the front. True guitar solos were rare in those days. hey man bizzare comment The reason i got into TULL was way back in 1975 was i heard Sir Martin Barre playing on MITG MITG,Cold Wind ,Black Satin D,Baker St M some of the most up front ripping guitar ive ever heard to this day. Then Taxi Grab,Pibroch,No Lullaby,Journeyman,Orion,Dark Ages,Old Ghosts, Something on move etc etc Before that Back Door angels was a masterpiece for the genius of MB Then onto Crest which Martin earned Tull the grammy,listen to IA's demos they are crap in reality Flo's guitar sounds nasal/weak and thin in comparison to MB's (im sure this is want IA wants mind these days) If you listen to Dark ages around around 5.35 you can actually tell when MB alters the tone pot on his the Hamer guitar Never mind weve all got different ears,just glad ive got mine tho ha ha
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