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Post by TM on Nov 15, 2009 20:30:13 GMT -5
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Post by Nonfatman on Nov 15, 2009 23:21:23 GMT -5
What a great interview! Interesting that one of the people who commented alluded to Martin and Barrie changing into each other's trousers during the Brick show. Probably has something to do with that photo that Zephyr just posted! Jeff |
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Post by King Heath on Nov 20, 2009 6:46:07 GMT -5
Interesting but confusing: And they were indeed the Eagles. (…) There was no communication, really, at all. Just a polite observance of each other’s space when it came to sound checks and show time. But they probably heard us play the song [We Used To Know], because that would have featured in the sets back then, and maybe it was just something they kind of picked up on subconsciously, and introduced that chord sequence into their famous song “Hotel California” sometime later. It’s a nice anecdote, first told on the “Roots to Branches” tour of 1995/96. But is it true? The first ever boots I listened to were recorded on the tours of 1971 and 1972. But judging from these and the set lists on Ministry of Information Tull did not play “We Used To Know” at all in the years 1971 and 1972. Indeed, the shows with The Eagles as support act were few and far between: according to the Ministry they played on 15, 16, 19 and 20 June 1972. That’s it. “We Used To Know” appeared on the set lists of the “Roots To Branches” tour for the first time in 25 years (and about twenty years after the release of “Hotel California”). As I said, it’s a nice story that Henley, Frey and Felder nicked the chord sequence from Tull, but … KH |
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Post by bobo the monkey on Nov 20, 2009 11:26:47 GMT -5
Hmmmm...interesting detective work...I still like to believe ths eagles stole the riff...maybe from the album, maybe from soundcheck...somehow !
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Post by TM on Nov 20, 2009 12:56:05 GMT -5
Interesting but confusing: And they were indeed the Eagles. (…) There was no communication, really, at all. Just a polite observance of each other’s space when it came to sound checks and show time. But they probably heard us play the song [We Used To Know], because that would have featured in the sets back then, and maybe it was just something they kind of picked up on subconsciously, and introduced that chord sequence into their famous song “Hotel California” sometime later. It’s a nice anecdote, first told on the “Roots to Branches” tour of 1995/96. But is it true? The first ever boots I listened to were recorded on the tours of 1971 and 1972. But judging from these and the set lists on Ministry of Information Tull did not play “We Used To Know” at all in the years 1971 and 1972. Indeed, the shows with The Eagles as support act were few and far between: according to the Ministry they played on 15, 16, 19 and 20 June 1972. That’s it. “We Used To Know” appeared on the set lists of the “Roots To Branches” tour for the first time in 25 years (and about twenty years after the release of “Hotel California”). As I said, it’s a nice story that Henley, Frey and Felder nicked the chord sequence from Tull, but … KH Interesting and thanks for that info KH. You know I just don't hear it anyway. |
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Post by Nonfatman on Nov 20, 2009 13:28:40 GMT -5
I remember reading an interview somewhere, I think it was with Henley, where he had some rather choice comments about Ian and Ian's allegation. Would love to find that and post it up here.
Jeff
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Post by Nonfatman on Nov 20, 2009 13:41:27 GMT -5
The author of this blog, entitled 'Don Henley Must Die' has studied the chord progression of both songs and concludes that "the loathsome fucking Eagles" did lift the chord sequence and melody from We Used to Know. However, he also maintains that SFTW-era Ian himself is guilty of lifting entire passages from traditional Celtic music, "lock, stock and two smoking Uilleann pipes." byneddiejingo.blogspot.com/2007/09/don-henley-must-die.htmlJeff |
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Post by TM on Nov 20, 2009 13:42:52 GMT -5
I remember reading an interview somewhere, I think it was with Henley, where he had some rather choice comments about Ian and Ian's allegation. Would love to find that and post it up here. Jeff Tommie posted that but didn't provide any evidence to substantiate it. I visited some Eagles boards and never found anyone even discussing it. |
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Post by King Heath on Nov 20, 2009 13:53:09 GMT -5
I do remember IA telling the story for the first time on the "Roots to Branches" tour and it was quite tongue in cheek. I had (and still have) the impression that the similarity between the songs occured to IA for the first time when he relearned "We Used To Know" for the tour in 1995. Telling the story night after night on stage and being asked by the press afterwards probably made it more true over time than it actually was. Of course, it is quite possible that Henley listend to some rock radio station that played "We Used To Know", while driving to the studio to record "Hotel" and he, subconsciously, picked up the chord sequence, but I rather doubt it.
I have met quite a few musicians again and again over the years, who told me the same story with slight "variations" every time. But, to be honest, you don't need to be a musician to fall into that particular trap. I know I did.
KH
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Post by King Heath on Nov 20, 2009 14:16:40 GMT -5
However, he also maintains that SFTW-era Ian himself is guilty of lifting entire passages from traditional Celtic music, "lock, stock and two smoking Uilleann pipes." Nice one, the quote. If not entirely true: in folk music circles it's not called stealing, it's called "new interpretation". One of the best examples is proabably a song I first heard on Silly Wizard's "Too Many Partings" in the early 80s. Over the years that particular jig popped up here and there in various instrumental sets by different folk/rock bands. The last time I heard it played live was at this years Cropredy Festival by the Bad Sheppards. So, nicking from traditional music doesn't really count. KH |
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Post by Dan on Nov 20, 2009 15:27:16 GMT -5
I remember reading an interview somewhere, I think it was with Henley, where he had some rather choice comments about Ian and Ian's allegation. Would love to find that and post it up here. Jeff Tommie posted that but didn't provide any evidence to substantiate it. I visited some Eagles boards and never found anyone even discussing it. I had the magazine article somewhere and looked for it this morning and couldn't find it. Probably gave it away. It was in the last two years and he didn't appreciate Ian's comments. Search engine doesn't produce anything either. |
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