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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 8, 2010 17:07:12 GMT -5
Vocals steadily deteriorate and are virtually unlistenable starting about a quarter of the way through:
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 8, 2010 23:31:44 GMT -5
Is this some kind of a joke? For him to go on the road sounding like this is a disgrace. This is really a new low....I don't think I have ever heard him sing so atrociously.  Jeff |
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Post by Tommiebaby on Mar 9, 2010 0:18:51 GMT -5
..."And you hear your voice CROAK as you CHOKE!!!"...how appropos. Ian is pathetic. You're right, Non........very sad. Isn't anyone close enuf to him or caring enuf (eg His wife of 34 yrs?! his son?! Martin?!) to tell him how awful he is?! The man needs a good shrink.
."telling YOU (Ian) how absolutely awful u really are"..
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Post by tootull on Mar 9, 2010 11:15:15 GMT -5
Yikes! Too old to rock, too young to croak. I hate special guests at Tull concerts - They usually lead to a shorter Tull performance. Molson Canadian Amphitheatre's summer lineup - Toronto, Ontario - Jethro Tull June 18 with very special guests Procol Harum www.torontosun.com/entertainment/music/2010/03/08/13161271-qmi.htmlMolson Canadian Amphitheatre's summer lineup: www.marketwire.com/press-release/Molson-Canadian-Amphitheatre-2010-Season-Preview-1128599.htmThe last time at this venue the Tull set was cut short because of the opening act Saga. The price of our tickets is not going to Procol Harum, and for the first time in a long line of Toronto Tull shows, not to Tull, as we're not going. (sarcastic) I'm sure his pocket book will take the hit for the price of two admission tickets plus the t-shirts, pins and no stinkin' badges that I picked up for everyone who requested such... ;D I mean no harm. Then again think of all the seats we're selling because of posting. hehehe The Tull legacy begs for our respect. Let Ian trod on...as he chased the money-men away. I wanna be no Saboteur. Be no, be no Saboteur. Peace starts with you. LOL Adding: to be sad is a mad way to be. |
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Post by JinxCat on Mar 9, 2010 17:35:56 GMT -5
Color me horrified...  (My eyes are still like this... My ears have not yet recovered!) If/when any SoCal area dates were announced (none yet?), I had been planning to bring my guy to the show. But now, I don't think I wanna subject him to THIS. (Not to mention the *bleah* setlist...) I think a better plan will be to fire up the computer and show him ANY of the myriad footage of the good years that I have. Would be a much better experience. (For me as well... *walks innocently to the corner*) But I'm also torn, not wanting to deprive him of the chance to see Martin play live and in the flesh. Oh, what to do? Guess we'll just have to wait and see... |
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Post by Sharkdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 18:23:07 GMT -5
I´m sure I´ve seen worst vocals from Ian...
In my opinion Ian´s effort to keep rocking is admirable. He should know when to stop though. Must be terrible for him to accept the fact he can no longer sing his beloved songs, really.
You can almost feel Martin´s guilt because his guitar sounds so damn good and loud...
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 10, 2010 22:34:06 GMT -5
I´m sure I´ve seen worst vocals from Ian... In my opinion Ian´s effort to keep rocking is admirable. He should know when to stop though. Must be terrible for him to accept the fact he can no longer sing his beloved songs, really. You can almost feel Martin´s guilt because his guitar sounds so damn good and loud... Shark Hi, Sharkey, I'm happy to hear that you and your family are okay. Must have been a terrible feeling for you to have experienced such a violent quake. Hope things are getting somewhat back to normal for you. You may be right, there may have been even worse examples of Ian's horrible vocals in the past, but this is pretty close. However, I did see a show in New Jersey in 2007 that may have been even worse. I vowed that I would never see them again, although I subsequently broke that vow, giving them one last chance on the 40th Anniverary tour....and that single show pulled me back in. But this is really it for me. I got the tickets for June, so I will see Ian croak his way through those two shows, but then that's it. No more Tull gigs for me, unless and until there is a new album and tour, after a long break for his voice to recover. I guess what particularly galls me this time is how Ian misrepresented what this tour was going to be, emphasizing in various interviews how the theme of the show was going to be rare Jethro Tull songs, "deep catalogue" stuff never played before, or hardly ever played before (with all different types of unusual instruments being dusted off for the performance of same), together with some new material and "the tried and trusty favorites." The emphasis was sure to attract die-hards like us, who yearn to hear that "deep catalogue" material. So, like suckers, many of us bought tickets on that basis. But is that what we're getting? Are we getting seldom-before played Tull songs, are we getting deep catalogue songs? No fucking way. Same old shit, solo songs like Eurology and Water Carrier, and Dun Ringill again to start, merely because Goodier and O'hara know that shit already. Even in his latest interview, posted here today by tootull, Ian is still slinging the same shit....the same "there are going to be surprises in store" bullshit, yeah right. He pulled the same shit on the Light and Dark tour, with a programme that claimed: "Tonight's show will consist of songs drawn from the following list"...then there was a list of like 50 fucking songs, leading one to believe that each show would have a different set list, like the Grateful Dead or something. But guess what? I saw five of those shows, and it was the same goddamn setlist each goddamn night. (Do you remember that one, Tommie?) Jeff |
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 10, 2010 22:48:43 GMT -5
Color me horrified... (My eyes are still like this... My ears have not yet recovered!) If/when any SoCal area dates were announced (none yet?), I had been planning to bring my guy to the show. But now, I don't think I wanna subject him to THIS. (Not to mention the *bleah* setlist...) I think a better plan will be to fire up the computer and show him ANY of the myriad footage of the good years that I have. Would be a much better experience. (For me as well... *walks innocently to the corner*) But I'm also torn, not wanting to deprive him of the chance to see Martin play live and in the flesh. Oh, what to do? Guess we'll just have to wait and see... You may be spared that difficult decision, Wendy, because it doesn't look like Tull are making it out west this time around. So I would say continue with your plan of acclimating him to the back catalogue and showing him the footage of the Big Tull era, perhaps the Tull Tapes stuff on Youtube? Jeff |
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Post by JinxCat on Mar 11, 2010 1:01:18 GMT -5
You may be spared that difficult decision, Wendy, because it doesn't look like Tull are making it out west this time around. So I would say continue with your plan of acclimating him to the back catalogue and showing him the footage of the Big Tull era, perhaps the Tull Tapes stuff on Youtube? Jeff I had been concerned about that possibility. Now I might be relieved instead. *Looks at her JT Vids folder with a hearty laugh* Oh let's see, we've got The Minstrel Looks Back unofficial double-set (which contains Tanglewood and Tullavision, among other stuff), LWT TOTRNR special, the Supersonic eps, Hippodrome, Lively Arts doc, and a few loose assorted things I've saved. (Man I LOVE the internet...) I do plan to hit the highlights of 'Tube, especially the recent discoveries. I bet I haven't even seen all the gems yet... Then there's the IOW real DVD. You may notice I have not yet mentioned MSG. That's 'coz I don't have it yet... I was hoping to either get it for Christmas or win it in the official site's contest. Neither happened. But there's still the possibility of a birthday present, so I'm not going shopping yet! That oughta be enough to keep busy with, no? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 12:12:37 GMT -5
Ian should get another voaclist and harmonize with him, and maybe write some new material so Martin doesnt say Ive had enough of the same old music tour after tour., and I don't need this.
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 11, 2010 12:42:44 GMT -5
You may be spared that difficult decision, Wendy, because it doesn't look like Tull are making it out west this time around. So I would say continue with your plan of acclimating him to the back catalogue and showing him the footage of the Big Tull era, perhaps the Tull Tapes stuff on Youtube? Jeff I had been concerned about that possibility. Now I might be relieved instead. *Looks at her JT Vids folder with a hearty laugh* Oh let's see, we've got The Minstrel Looks Back unofficial double-set (which contains Tanglewood and Tullavision, among other stuff), LWT TOTRNR special, the Supersonic eps, Hippodrome, Lively Arts doc, and a few loose assorted things I've saved. (Man I LOVE the internet...) I do plan to hit the highlights of 'Tube, especially the recent discoveries. I bet I haven't even seen all the gems yet... Then there's the IOW real DVD. You may notice I have not yet mentioned MSG. That's 'coz I don't have it yet... I was hoping to either get it for Christmas or win it in the official site's contest. Neither happened. But there's still the possibility of a birthday present, so I'm not going shopping yet! That oughta be enough to keep busy with, no? Maybe you can start off with Isle of Wight....one of Tull's most aggressive, energetic performances ever, and then move on to Brick and Passion Play era Tulltapes. If those don't win him over, nothing will! Jeff |
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Post by Bogenbroom on Mar 11, 2010 13:21:25 GMT -5
Ian should get another voaclist and harmonize with him, and maybe write some new material so Martin doesnt say Ive had enough of the same old music tour after tour., and I don't need this. Don't you mean "sing his songs for him"? Let the reluctant vocalist not be reluctant. Relinquish your doddering clutch Ian. Penn the music and lyrics, use the instruments that still sound good man, put to rest the one instrument that is making your long-time fans blush ashamedly. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 14:51:25 GMT -5
young master James duncan maybe he sounds like the oldman when he sings
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Post by TM on Mar 11, 2010 15:14:01 GMT -5
Ian should get another voaclist and harmonize with him, and maybe write some new material so Martin doesnt say Ive had enough of the same old music tour after tour., and I don't need this. Who's that I hear on one of those video's. A band member, a backing track or the audience? |
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Post by JinxCat on Mar 11, 2010 16:17:34 GMT -5
Maybe you can start off with Isle of Wight....one of Tull's most aggressive, energetic performances ever, and then move on to Brick and Passion Play era Tulltapes. If those don't win him over, nothing will! Jeff I LOVE the Wight DVD. I would love it even more if it was the entire performance like the CD (Give us the middle songs back!), and much MUCH less of all the talking... *snore* Aggressive? Oh HELL YES! A few months ago I put on the audio, and was slightly unprepared for the freight train of sound that hit me upside the head. (It had been a while...) After a half-moment of startle, I settled back with a big smile on my face and enjoyed the rest in a very happy mood. Who's that I hear on one of those video's. A band member, a backing track or the audience? At one point I thought I heard the old tape (at a really low level), and thought "How could he dare use that now, since he doesn't SOUND like that anymore! And then later on it seemed like one of the other guys was chiming in. But I could be wrong. |
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Post by Sharkdaniel on Mar 11, 2010 19:19:01 GMT -5
I´m sure I´ve seen worst vocals from Ian... In my opinion Ian´s effort to keep rocking is admirable. He should know when to stop though. Must be terrible for him to accept the fact he can no longer sing his beloved songs, really. You can almost feel Martin´s guilt because his guitar sounds so damn good and loud... Shark Hi, Sharkey, I'm happy to hear that you and your family are okay. Must have been a terrible feeling for you to have experienced such a violent quake. Hope things are getting somewhat back to normal for you. You may be right, there may have been even worse examples of Ian's horrible vocals in the past, but this is pretty close. However, I did see a show in New Jersey in 2007 that may have been even worse. I vowed that I would never see them again, although I subsequently broke that vow, giving them one last chance on the 40th Anniverary tour....and that single show pulled me back in. But this is really it for me. I got the tickets for June, so I will see Ian croak his way through those two shows, but then that's it. No more Tull gigs for me, unless and until there is a new album and tour, after a long break for his voice to recover. I guess what particularly galls me this time is how Ian misrepresented what this tour was going to be, emphasizing in various interviews how the theme of the show was going to be rare Jethro Tull songs, "deep catalogue" stuff never played before, or hardly ever played before (with all different types of unusual instruments being dusted off for the performance of same), together with some new material and "the tried and trusty favorites." The emphasis was sure to attract die-hards like us, who yearn to hear that "deep catalogue" material. So, like suckers, many of us bought tickets on that basis. But is that what we're getting? Are we getting seldom-before played Tull songs, are we getting deep catalogue songs? No fucking way. Same old shit, solo songs like Eurology and Water Carrier, and Dun Ringill again to start, merely because Goodier and O'hara know that shit already. Even in his latest interview, posted here today by tootull, Ian is still slinging the same shit....the same "there are going to be surprises in store" bullshit, yeah right. He pulled the same shit on the Light and Dark tour, with a programme that claimed: "Tonight's show will consist of songs drawn from the following list"...then there was a list of like 50 fucking songs, leading one to believe that each show would have a different set list, like the Grateful Dead or something. But guess what? I saw five of those shows, and it was the same goddamn setlist each goddamn night. (Do you remember that one, Tommie?) Jeff Jeffie my friend, I see your frustration. I understand what you feel, but in my case, and I´ve said it before, I don´t care that much about what Tull does nowadays. For me, a young guy, in a far away country, it´s a miracle to have seen them 3 times already. If you asked me when I was 14 if I thought I had a chance to see this guys live, I would not have bet a quarter. My frustration was always the lack of 70´s live material, but it has been kinda brushed away thanks to internet and youtube, no thanks to Ian, clearly. PD: About the earthquakes, just TODAY we had another 6 Richter in Santiago, with a 7,2 in Rancagua (about 60 miles from Santiago). Mother Earth is pissed off. Shark |
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 11, 2010 20:02:15 GMT -5
I know what you are saying, Daniel, your perspective is much different since you are young, and rarely have an opportunity to see Tull. I have been a long-time fan for so many years, dating back to the latter part of the Big Tull era, so it's hard for me to see how far they have fallen. Like I said, it's a little sad.
I read about those aftershocks and immediately thought about you and hoped that you were okay. I can't believe what is happening around the world with so many earthquakes, and today I just read that 2010 is going to be a very extreme hurricane season as well.
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Post by Mothfairy on Mar 12, 2010 0:03:51 GMT -5
I have to agree with Daniel for a few reasons....
First, I have made it known that I also wasn't as concerned about a new album or anything...I don't know why. I'm not sick of the "old" music yet. I don't think anything new would please me. I mean, maybe I might like it, but I don't think I'll get sick over it if there isn't or it doesn't....
Next, my first time seeing Tull was in 1999 and I was a teen. I believe I have seen Tull 8 times altogether. Eight. That's barely a drop in the bucket compared to some of you. When I was a teen I used to like a lot of bands where the front man or some other crucial member was dead and the band was no longer together or could no longer play. Like 75% of all music I liked. When I became a Tullfan and found out that Ian Anderson was NOT dead and ALSO still touring, I was more than thrilled and just happy I was able to experience a Tull show at all. Let alone eight times, (and that I'd get to meet him!) So, maybe all that stuff sounds silly to you more experienced Tullish people. And because my first show was in 99 to me, the vocals didn't sound as bad as they could or as bad as other times. Well...that's all I got at midnight...take it or leave it...
And lastly, I agree with Daniel because he's sexy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 6:20:26 GMT -5
I have to agree with Daniel for a few reasons.... First, I have made it known that I also wasn't as concerned about a new album or anything...I don't know why. I'm not sick of the "old" music yet. I don't think anything new would please me. I mean, maybe I might like it, but I don't think I'll get sick over it if there isn't or it doesn't.... Next, my first time seeing Tull was in 1999 and I was a teen. I believe I have seen Tull 8 times altogether. Eight. That's barely a drop in the bucket compared to some of you. When I was a teen I used to like a lot of bands where the front man or some other crucial member was dead and the band was no longer together or could no longer play. Like 75% of all music I liked. When I became a Tullfan and found out that Ian Anderson was NOT dead and ALSO still touring, I was more than thrilled and just happy I was able to experience a Tull show at all. Let alone eight times, (and that I'd get to meet him!) So, maybe all that stuff sounds silly to you more experienced Tullish people. And because my first show was in 99 to me, the vocals didn't sound as bad as they could or as bad as other times. Well...that's all I got at midnight...take it or leave it... And lastly, I agree with Daniel because he's sexy. Hi Holly, I think the way you sum up your approach to the lack of new recorded work and the current tull debate as regards Ian's vocals and the setlist presents a good logical argument for the "positive" case you put forward. In the context of your interests, Ian and the band have not failed to deliver anything and that is good, given your benchmark. It's also appreciated that you don't take the diametrically opposed position and criticise anyone with an different view, recognising that maybe our benchmark for a Tull gig may be different from yours, principally due to the accidents of birth that allowed some of us old, jaded nerds to witness the bands early days.  On your last point as regards Daniel's "sexiness", I will refrain from commenting on that ;D but wish him well and hope all is OK with him and those around him. |
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Post by TM on Mar 12, 2010 10:15:22 GMT -5
I have to agree with Daniel for a few reasons.... First, I have made it known that I also wasn't as concerned about a new album or anything...I don't know why. I'm not sick of the "old" music yet. I don't think anything new would please me. I mean, maybe I might like it, but I don't think I'll get sick over it if there isn't or it doesn't.... Next, my first time seeing Tull was in 1999 and I was a teen. I believe I have seen Tull 8 times altogether. Eight. That's barely a drop in the bucket compared to some of you. When I was a teen I used to like a lot of bands where the front man or some other crucial member was dead and the band was no longer together or could no longer play. Like 75% of all music I liked. When I became a Tullfan and found out that Ian Anderson was NOT dead and ALSO still touring, I was more than thrilled and just happy I was able to experience a Tull show at all. Let alone eight times, (and that I'd get to meet him!) So, maybe all that stuff sounds silly to you more experienced Tullish people. And because my first show was in 99 to me, the vocals didn't sound as bad as they could or as bad as other times. Well...that's all I got at midnight...take it or leave it... And lastly, I agree with Daniel because he's sexy. There's the rub. It seems the majority like Holly, who arrived to the party rather late just doesn't have the same desire for that ever allusive studio album. I mean the rest of us have had our hopes dashed to the extent that we'd probably be ecstatic just to have a one friggin new MP3!  |
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Post by Mothfairy on Mar 12, 2010 11:22:54 GMT -5
I went back and read what I was trying to say at midnight, I'm surprised you all even understood what I was talking about! haha...I was also trying to say that a new studio album, could sound like Dot Com. Which is fine, seeing as though I do like some of Dot Com. But. If that's what we're missing out on by not having a new album, that's fine with me. If that's what some of you are pining for, that's fine by me too.
It could be that I "came to the party" not expecting anything. But liking what I heard already. And that's enough for me.
I think like Daniel may have hinted at, we give him credit for being over 60 and out there still doing his thing on stage. But I doubt either of us are "worshippers."
I can see why others might not want to go to a show. But they shouldn't judge others for wanting to go to a show. Sure, I'd rather go to a show from some time in the 70's but I'll take what I can get, besides...like I really have anything better to do? Right, No.
And after rereading what I wrote, I realize I wasn't specific about his voice, but whatever....
And Quizz, come on! We got to stare at all the hot and sexy Tull girls from the songs...don't us females deserve some eye candy?!? IA in the early days might do it for me too...ha ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 13:44:20 GMT -5
And Quizz, come on! We got to stare at all the hot and sexy Tull girls from the songs...don't us females deserve some eye candy?!? IA in the early days might do it for me too...ha ;D Holly, please don't think I was trying to deny you your right to have some eye candy, not at all, Daniel is a lucky man to be atributed with your admiration and who knows I may even end up doing you your very own hot Tull male sketch someday. |
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Post by Sharkdaniel on Mar 12, 2010 14:50:48 GMT -5
You make me laugh Holly  Thanks Quizz, me and my family are ok. The only close story near death comes from a friend of a friend, she amazingly survived the tsunami in Isla Juan Fernandez, an island at the very south of Chile where she was on vacation. People is frightened here, the experts say the groundshaking will remain for about 10 months. I think the worst has passed, hopefuly. |
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Post by TM on Mar 12, 2010 15:07:09 GMT -5
And Quizz, come on! We got to stare at all the hot and sexy Tull girls from the songs...don't us females deserve some eye candy?!? IA in the early days might do it for me too...ha ;D Just so you know there will be NO picture of Ian on men's underwear. |
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Post by Mothfairy on Mar 12, 2010 21:56:20 GMT -5
Actually....I was the one who asked for the Budapest girl pic I think...haha...or I was one of them...but....
Truth be told, I love all you guys! Quizz draw a sketch of everyone from here for me, on one group picture---in mens underwear with Ian's pic ;D
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