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Post by Mix on Apr 16, 2010 9:46:28 GMT -5
Great to have a new song but what worries me is Ian's struggling to even sing new material!
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Post by tootull on Apr 16, 2010 10:08:45 GMT -5
Great to have a new song but what worries me is Ian's struggling to even sing new material! The word is out. ;D Without rest, the singing voice may be gone, gone, gone. www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=213285Thank God for record albums from the past.
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Post by Mix on Apr 16, 2010 10:31:58 GMT -5
I recall on the official board doing a poll on what people would prefer. Tull to carry on live or Tull to stop performing but continue to make albums. I was shocked when most folks voted for live.
Sooner or later it will be over. All that will be left is the recordings. There should be as many as possible.
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Post by Chea on Jun 1, 2010 4:51:25 GMT -5
I heard " Hare in the Wine Cup " in two J.T shows this year. It is a song which i like very much. I must say it looks like a bit " A better moon " from " Secret Language of Birds " Album. Does anyone share this opinion? M.
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Post by Nonfatman on Jun 2, 2010 9:21:55 GMT -5
I heard " Hare in the Wine Cup " in two J.T shows this year. It is a song which i like very much. I must say it looks like a bit " A better moon " from " Secret Language of Birds " Album. Does anyone share this opinion? M. Yes, Michele, I do think some new songs like Hare and Change of Horses sound like some of the songs from Secret Language, and I noticed that A Change of Horses sounds a little like A Better Moon, especially in the beginning. I like Hare in the Wine Cup too, but the first live version of it was not sung very well. Perhaps he is now singing that one better, having performed it a number of times. Jeff
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Post by Mix on Jun 2, 2010 10:01:28 GMT -5
Do you think Ian's voice is actually the reason he doesn't write much new music?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 10:59:31 GMT -5
Do you think Ian's voice is actually the reason he doesn't write much new music? I wouldn't think that's necessarily the case. I would think that any musican who has a vocal change would, sooner or later, get around to constructing songs within their vocal range. There are plenty of songwriters/singers around who you might not class as great singers but manage to put stuff together that sounds good because it suits their style of singing. For me, count Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen and Randy Newman in that group to name but four. I suspect ian knows that his voice is shot and can live with a life of touring a band around a growing number of obscure places or a diminishing number of established markets like the US and UK where a tour of small venuies is alwasy guaranteed as a 'sell out' as he gets older. Plus there's a holiday in it as well I think we're 'urinating in the wind' with any expectation of a new album's worth of new music. How many new songs since Dot.Com? Maybe half a dozen to ten. Maybe the muse has left him, most creative people go through a block of some sort at sometime, and Ian has shown, in the past, that he is more creative than many and a lean spell [albeit a long very lean spell] was probably due. After the crap way he and the band were treated at EMI/Chrysalis maybe he is just fed up with the whole record deal thing. So, I don't think it's a voice thing, a new record cut to suit his current vocal limitations is likely to be better received than a series of hit and miss shows . I have to say I love my shot of Tull, but no doubt someone, somewhere in another place will think this is an Ian bashing exercise, but I have to say I find it amazing that live reviews in the press are so tolerant of his vocal problems. I wonder what the band really think.
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Post by TM on Jun 2, 2010 11:03:11 GMT -5
I think it's apparent he cannot get a record deal, which of course may be because he can no longer sing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 11:30:31 GMT -5
I think it's apparent he cannot get a record deal, which of course may be because he can no longer sing. Is Ian/Tull tied to any contract with Fuel2000 still? Could he be sitting out a crap deal that ties him from releasing anything?
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Post by Mix on Jun 2, 2010 11:35:51 GMT -5
I think it's apparent he cannot get a record deal, which of course may be because he can no longer sing. Is Ian/Tull tied to any contract with Fuel2000 still? Could he be sitting out a crap deal that ties him from releasing anything? I guess it is possible but my impression was the fuel2000 deal expired years ago. What was that thing Ian signed to this year to release downloads? I'm sure it was posted on these forums.
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Post by Chea on Jun 3, 2010 2:18:09 GMT -5
Yes, Michele, I do think some new songs like Hare and Change of Horses sound like some of the songs from Secret Language, and I noticed that A Change of Horses sounds a little like A Better Moon, especially in the beginning. I like Hare in the Wine Cup too, but the first live version of it was not sung very well. Perhaps he is now singing that one better, having performed it a number of times. Jeff Hi Jeff. I' ve found the version in Genova J.T show a bit different than how in Manchester was. Probably performing more, the song will become even better than already sounds... M.
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Post by TM on Jun 3, 2010 8:04:33 GMT -5
I think it's apparent he cannot get a record deal, which of course may be because he can no longer sing. Is Ian/Tull tied to any contract with Fuel2000 still? Could he be sitting out a crap deal that ties him from releasing anything? Dan posted not too long ago that he received an email from Fuel confirming they are no longer under contract to them. When talk of a new album surfaced in the Fall of 2009, Ian was talking with EMI about a new contract which would have picked up the Fuel releases as well as new material. thejethrotullboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=46(sorry but the old interview seems to have gone missing for some reason) Fast-forwarding to the present, we have Ian now stating there is no new album on the horizon because there's no money to be made making albums. In other words, he could not get the record deal he wanted from EMI. Of course I could be wrong...
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Post by Mix on Jun 3, 2010 8:54:17 GMT -5
EMI are on the verge of going bust. I seriously doubt they would sign Ian. I still think Ian's most profitable option is to go it alone, put out downloads via his own site and then compile those into an album for release via the usual channels. Other than that he'd need to sign to an indi label like fuel2000 but they never have the budgets to promote plus as TM says, who is going to sign someone who cannot sing anymore? Any record label investing in Ian is going to be looking for a slice of his touring income. No, he's better off going it alone. Having said that, if he had a contract and a record company on his back he might be obliged to release new albums.
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