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Post by Mix on Mar 6, 2010 8:08:27 GMT -5
Why don't we dump the pro boards and do it proper? Register something like www.tullfan.com and install our own forum software. We may even be able to import users and posts from this board. Advantages: This would give much more control and no adverts or if there were you'd be making the $. |
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 6, 2010 13:11:16 GMT -5
Why don't we dump the pro boards and do it proper? Register something like www.tullfan.com and install our own forum software. We may even be able to import users and posts from this board. Advantages: This would give much more control and no adverts or if there were you'd be making the $. Mix, aside from the advertising issue, what are the advantages and disadvantages of proboards compared to others? I know on the Hoffman forum, I very often have difficulty logging in, even though I am entering the correct information, I have to try three, sometimes four times. I am comfortable with proboards, perhaps because it seems easy enough to use, I know it the best and know how to do things here with photos, videos, etc. Could we do all those same things with other types of forums? Are they as easy to use? My other big concern is this: Our name and proboards URL is out there in a number of places, on various websites, etc., and I've been doing a fair amount of promoting with that URL, so that if we were to change it, that might harm our promotion efforts. By the way, your suggestion on the other board that we should combine with them on a new non-proboards forum would never work, because as you have seen, the two boards are very different in terms of content and style, and we have very different ideas of what people should or should not be allowed to post. Plus, to be frank, I have some bitter feelings as to how I was treated there, despite being one of their most prolific posters. Here, pretty much anything goes, you can type in capital letters if you please, risque material is fine (even encouraged!), you don't need to consult with your lawyer before posting, and there is no censorship, modification or deleting of posts....ever. And, short of outright defamation, abuse, etc., there never will be. So, unless they are willing to let Paul and I moderate and administer their new forum, it just would not work. For instance, take the whole "prick" issue, in my mind there is nothing wrong with what Tommie said. Ian has shown himself to be quite the prick, in many, many instances, so what is wrong with saying so? Sometimes, you just need a word like that, because it sums things up so nicely and there is not better way of putting it. It is a pure expression of opinion, i.e., constitutionally protected free speech in this country, and there certainly is a valid basis for saying so. (And besides, Tommie was using the term in a jesting manner.) Just look what this Keef Hartley guy had to say about Ian, based upon his two weeks in Tull. Sound exactly like what Matt Pegg and many other former members have said. Also, look at what Ian publicly promised for the current tour.....a lot of surprises, i.e., stuff never played before, or not for a long time, together with new material and the tried [tired?] and trusty favorites. Is that what is happening so far, if the rumored set list is accurate? No, not at all. We're getting the solo show all over again, Dun Ringill for openers, followed by Ian solo songs, Eurology and Water Carrier (blecch!), plus a little of the Christmas Tull yet again, one new song (Change of Horses, also played on the recent solo tour), and the rest is standard stuff, Bouree, Fatman, Nothing is Easy, same old, same old, with not a whole lot for Martin to do. So basically, it was a case of false adverstising and lies. Exactly Tommie's point. Jeff |
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Post by Tommiebaby on Mar 6, 2010 19:04:04 GMT -5
Don't know what I'd do w/out you guys. Seriously! You understood my passion for music (like we all have) and esp for Tull. And if ur passionate, u say what u feel, if it's true & honest. I cant even count how much time and $ I've put into Tull (wiilingly so) have everything he/they've ever done (sans the ridic slew of recent bs releases) and have always voiced my strong opinion that IA WAS a musical genius, prob my fave musician of all time.....and most of my anger/criticisms have come from being hurt and disappointed by this pathetic human.
To give an example of my passion, I've been listening EXCLUSIVELY, for the past 2 weeks, to "War Child"..nothing else. I do that often w/ Tull albums. Luv the sax.
Anyway, my 2 other musical heroes are Neil Young and Jack Bruce. They're older than Ian but, to this day, have never stopped progressing, releasing new material, etc.
And, even tho I was never a big Zeppelin fan, I had total respect for their work and especially for how they handled Bonham's death. They never re-grouped to play off their name (possibly w/ Bonham's son on drums). as opposed to Glasscock getting sick and dying & Ian replacing him immediately on tour w/ (Tony Williams? who?) ,,nd supposedly pissing off Barrie so much esp when IA couldn't be bothered to pay anything toward funeral expenses. Ah, but I digress.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2010 8:04:24 GMT -5
Why don't we dump the pro boards and do it proper? Register something like www.tullfan.com and install our own forum software. We may even be able to import users and posts from this board. Advantages: This would give much more control and no adverts or if there were you'd be making the $. First of all, neither TM or Jeff are IT geeks. Proboards is a simple way for non-technical folks to operate a char forum. Even then, I'm sure they spend much more time dealing with the technical aspects of Proboards than they would like. NOW you want them to import users and posts into a home grown forum? You are a maniac!! You have all the good ideas, why don't you do it. |
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 7, 2010 10:44:33 GMT -5
Why don't we dump the pro boards and do it proper? Register something like www.tullfan.com and install our own forum software. We may even be able to import users and posts from this board. Advantages: This would give much more control and no adverts or if there were you'd be making the $. First of all, neither TM or Jeff are IT geeks. Proboards is a simple way for non-technical folks to operate a char forum. Even then, I'm sure they spend much more time dealing with the technical aspects of Proboards than they would like. NOW you want them to import users and posts into a home grown forum? You are a maniac!! You have all the good ideas, why don't you do it. I think Mix made an honest suggestion with that, and there probably are better boards out there. I'm just comfortable with this and would have reservations about changing our URL, because it's already out there in a number of places. Jeff |
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Post by Mix on Mar 7, 2010 11:50:34 GMT -5
Fair enough Jeff.
I just have concerns that we'll build this place up and at any time you are at the mercy of Pro boards. They could close you down at their discretion. A nicely worded letter from Ian's legal people for example would be enough for them to pull the plug on your board even for no real reasons. That's my concern. Always best to have full control if possible.
In terms of the technical stuff, I've installed a few PHPBB boards in the past and would be happy to help although I think vbullitin board is the way to go although it does cost money. However, if you got enougth traffic you could probably let a few ads cover the costs.
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Post by Mix on Mar 7, 2010 11:51:42 GMT -5
By the way Jeff, can you point me/tell me more about this Keef Hartley thing, must have missed that.
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Post by TM on Mar 7, 2010 12:06:36 GMT -5
I really don't have a problem with this board. While I'm sure there are better boards out there, I have been on worse. And truthfully, you can make some great looking message boards with Proboards as you can see here: wolfs-cry.proboards.com/index.cgi?.proboards.comSo while I would love to sit back and learn the coding to create a truly fantastic forum for us, right now I have 2 jobs, and coach both my kids teams in up to 3 sports, so I don't exactly have that kind of time. I'll continue to look to make improvements to the site visually as time and work-load allows. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that this Tull board is more pleasing to the eye then all others past and present. And at least here you do have the ability to change the board "skin" (appearance) to suit your personal taste. You can do this in you profile. One of the best things about this board is that it is free. But that is only as long as we allow the advertising banner - which I again really doesn't bother me personally. We can go advertising-free for about $100 per year, and I would consider it if enough people felt it was an issue. As far as importing or exporting posts/users, I don't think that is possible with Proboards. I've done quite a bit of reading on the support site and think once you go with a new site you're on your own. The last issue, and probably the most important issue is that Ian Anderson continuous to alienate his core fan base which of course will only diminish the participation here. |
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 8, 2010 11:46:13 GMT -5
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Post by Tullite on Mar 10, 2010 17:28:27 GMT -5
i for 1 am truly happy here and if its not broken why mend it ? i did get lightly poached from another site !! but have never looked back and have hardly been back to that same site. you will have to surf a long way to say what you can say here without problems.
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Post by TM on Mar 10, 2010 21:45:13 GMT -5
i for 1 am truly happy here and if its not broken why mend it ? i did get lightly poached from another site !! but have never looked back and have hardly been back to that same site. you will have to surf a long way to say what you can say here without problems. Thanks T. It's nice having level headed people like yourself on board here.  |
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