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Post by Preston Platform on Mar 25, 2010 13:27:40 GMT -5
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Post by tootull on Mar 25, 2010 13:59:11 GMT -5
Time between 1st album and his voice problems: 16 years
Time between start of his voice problems and now: 26 years
Tull albums over the 16 years from 1st album and the voice problems: 15
Tull albums over the 26 years between the start of the problems and now: 6
Wow. How time marches on.
Ian is certainly addicted to touring. Maybe we need an intervention. ;D
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Post by TM on Apr 3, 2010 11:38:55 GMT -5
Yes, no doubt in my mind that Jethro Tull should stop the charade that's been going on for years now. Primarily because the band have been on an endless best-of tour since the 90's and Ian cannot sing most of the songs they are most famous for.
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 3, 2010 16:13:10 GMT -5
Yes, no doubt in my mind that Jethro Tull should stop the charade that's been going on for years now. Primarily because the band have been on an endless best-of tour since the 90's and Ian cannot sing most of the songs they are most famous for. I don't think that they should call it a day, just that Ian should stop the interminable touring and record a new Tull album AND a new solo album, and stop being so preoccupied with money. After all he is worth tens of millions of dollars at this point, quite possibly over a hundred million. I believe that Ian is still capable of good vocal performances, because at the 40th anniversary shows and also at last year's solo shows, his singing was not really so bad...it was enough. As I have said, even if he is singing at 25% of his former vocal capacity, it is sufficient to carry it off because he was such a great singer when he was in his prime. The problem is that the incessant touring has taken such a toll on his voice that you never know whether his vocals will show up on a given night, or whether they will completely abandon him, as happens all too frequently these days. The other problem, as I see it, is that very often the setlists include songs which he can't do anymore whereas there are many other songs that I believe he still can sing. Examples of this are Look into the Sun, Too Cry You a Song and some of the Crest and Rock Island material. As we all have been saying -- and as Dave Pegg said way back in 1993 -- Ian should stop touring so much and give his voice a rest. That, and including more songs that he could still sing well, would go a long way toward improving the quality of the shows that they continue to do. Jeff |
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Post by TM on Apr 3, 2010 20:10:05 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Ian, Martin and the band need to stop performing. I just think they should drop the name. I mean when Ian started touring as Jethro Tull with his solo band it certainly became time to hang it up. It's really quite a shame what Ian has done with the legacy of this once great band.
Besides, at the age of 62 or whatever he is, isn't it rather silly to keep calling yourself Jethro Tull, and playing the music you wrote when you were 20? I guess it's just too difficult giving up the cash cow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 7:15:53 GMT -5
I agree with both of TM's posts. Ian should reinvent himself as a ________. I'm NOT sure what the reinvention should be. If Ian hates rock music (and apparently the fans) so much, why is he continuing to market a band that was made their name in the rock music genre.
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Post by Mix on Apr 4, 2010 13:26:05 GMT -5
Besides, at the age of 62 or whatever he is, isn't it rather silly to keep calling yourself Jethro Tull, and playing the music you wrote when you were 20? I can't agree with that TM. However, if you cannot sing it, as in Ian's case then yes it shouldn't be played. But as Jeff has said, Ian can sing the more recent material and that's where he should be. I'm coming to the conclusion that Ian is quite insecure and lacks confidence. Something, perhaps none of us would ever expect from the mighty Ian Anderson. Anyway, on the plus side, most of us still believe in Ian. He should start believing in himself and get out and push the envelope forward. Fuck the past and fuck all the paying public who want to hear Aqalung/brick/loco. Go out there Ian and play for you not them. |
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Post by Blue on Apr 4, 2010 17:21:20 GMT -5
I'd love to hear The Old Man do something new. I know where I am right now. I'd like to hear how he's thinking these days.
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Post by TM on Apr 4, 2010 19:14:28 GMT -5
I'd love to hear The Old Man do something new. I know where I am right now. I'd like to hear how he's thinking these days.  Too bad though he's got nothing in the tank. Nothing new anyway. |
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Post by TM on Apr 4, 2010 19:37:27 GMT -5
Besides, at the age of 62 or whatever he is, isn't it rather silly to keep calling yourself Jethro Tull, and playing the music you wrote when you were 20? I can't agree with that TM. However, if you cannot sing it, as in Ian's case then yes it shouldn't be played. But as Jeff has said, Ian can sing the more recent material and that's where he should be. I'm coming to the conclusion that Ian is quite insecure and lacks confidence. Something, perhaps none of us would ever expect from the mighty Ian Anderson. Anyway, on the plus side, most of us still believe in Ian. He should start believing in himself and get out and push the envelope forward. Fuck the past and fuck all the paying public who want to hear Aqalung/brick/loco. Go out there Ian and play for you not them. Although the lines of 'IA solo' and 'Jethro Tull' have really become blurred, I think it's safe to say that Ian feels a certain responsibility to the band as well as the audience when performing under the Jethro Tull moniker. So it doesn't make sense to ask Ian to tour as Jethro Tull and to quit playing Aqualung, Loco, Bouree, etc. Let's face it, the average classic rock fan who would venture to a Tull gig these days are there to hear the songs we've all heard way too many times. I've overheard multiple people at Tull shows saying that they wish they had played more songs they knew, while I was thinking I've heard this all last year! IMO the only way Ian can change to a format that suits his vocals is to drop the Tull moniker. This way he can still include Tull songs (that he can sing) while not feeling compelled to sing "snot's running down your nose" every night. |
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Post by Blue on Apr 5, 2010 9:11:11 GMT -5
I would love to see Tull Unleashed. Get the iron pipe out of his ass, not rehearse everything to death, go out onstage and just cut loose; play it the way it happens. Just because it's Aqualung or Locomotive Breath or Bouree or Living In the Past or, or, or, doesn't mean we've heard it before as long as he lets it play instead of playing it. (And playing it safe.) Except, maybe, just maybe, safe is the only way he can play it these days. If that's the case, pull the plug. He's left it too late for it to die clean but at least the suffering will stop.
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 5, 2010 12:40:10 GMT -5
I would love to see Tull Unleashed. Get the iron pipe out of his ass, not rehearse everything to death, go out onstage and just cut loose; play it the way it happens. Just because it's Aqualung or Locomotive Breath or Bouree or Living In the Past or, or, or, doesn't mean we've heard it before as long as he lets it play instead of playing it. (And playing it safe.) Except, maybe, just maybe, safe is the only way he can play it these days. If that's the case, pull the plug. He's left it too late for it to die clean but at least the suffering will stop. Great observation, Blue, and I would love to see that too, Tull unleashed, a truly spontaneous and live show, rather than have every note of every song, every stage direction and every joke perfectly timed and choreographed. I like the way you put it, that they should just "play the songs as they happen" rather than playing everything so safe and the same way every night. Ian views Tull as a touring band, like the Dead were. However, no two Dead shows were ever alike. The set lists were completely different from night to night, and they would just get on stage and cut loose, like you said, playing whatever they felt like each night.. So, if Ian wants Tull to be a touring band, I would be fine if they did it that way, instead of identical sets each night. Jeff |
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Post by Mix on Apr 5, 2010 13:46:44 GMT -5
The problem with that is Tull's music isn't really jam along music. Its precisely arranged.
One of the things I liked about Zappa was his band could go off on one and did all the time and return to a tight as a ducks ass set arrangement in the blink of an eye. But Zappa's band was quite unusual. I believe his last touring rock band, the 88 band, had a 120 song repertoire and changed the set list every night. The problem was it took 4 months, 8 hours a day rehearing to make a band sound like that. Zappa had a dedication to music that was inspiring. Ian's all about quick fixes and maximum profit.
You'll also remember his Q&A on the other board where a questioner asked if he would join in at an Irish pub session. Ian said he couldn't, out of his comfort zone. There in lies the problem. Ian lives in a world where everything is safe and on his terms.
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