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Post by Nonfatman on Nov 28, 2015 12:51:08 GMT -5
Finally got chance to hear Commercial Traveller, after Dan kindly e-mailed it to me. Strange how such songs, together with others from WC and MITG era, never made cut onto albums nor later anniversaries. Anyway, song is pure 70's tull, interesting melody with one of the best used orchestra (probably string quartet) and brass section wich only can be compared to Sweet Dream maybe. Now the other sider of the coin.. chorus is too catchy, too simple.. and seems like sound quality suffers, probably due to lack of the original mix or whatever was the issue with original tapes, Steven Wilson mentioned. Anyway, looking forward to hear whole album, and specially next two remixes of SFTW and HH. That's a good assessment, and I agree. Not a great song, and no flute. That is true of most of TOTRNR, very little flute compared to other albums. The string quartet and brass section does remind me of Sweet Dream. Interesting to hear. Jeff |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Nov 28, 2015 19:31:05 GMT -5
How good has small cigar become with the addition of guitar, bass, drums, organ and orchestra. Sounds miles better.
The highlights for me are Commercial traveller, Small cigar(orchestral version), Strip cartoon, Pied piper, Chequered flag, Salamander.
Salamander ragtime is quite good too. This is a pretty cool set. Such a pity we couldn't hear Advertising man. The amount of strong tracks has doubled from the original album alone. It's not that far off most other tull years of the 70s. 1970-74 and 76-80 are fine years. I still think in 75 Tull were pretty bland. Dunno how so many people rank Minstrel so high. Lacks composition and sound that made tull so great.
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Post by Eka on Nov 29, 2015 12:33:03 GMT -5
Got whole new shiny thing.. and feel like saying something about all these remasters.. Don't like how Steven Wilson is changing songs too much: time changes, doubling sequences, adding pouses, adding and shifting instrument layers.. Don't know why is he doing it: to put his own stamp? Feels too much just. Some would say that's why we get original flat transfers inside pack.. but still, would love to hear music as it is, just cleaned.
And another thing about this board: I like it much more than that other one. Feels more concrete and substantial and most of all, it's realistic and mature. On that other one, well, mixed bag of everything. English is not my native language, but hope you get what I mean. Keep on good work
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Post by Johnny Scarecrow on Nov 29, 2015 16:17:10 GMT -5
That sounds like Maddy Prior singing background on "Salamander's Rag Time".
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Post by minstrel on Nov 29, 2015 17:14:10 GMT -5
Silly comment really...what we have got here is a REMIX of the album...which means that at least to a certain extent, things will change...if not it would be a remaster. And strangely enough, actually SW has much rispected the original mixes (with a few exceptions).
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Post by Eka on Nov 30, 2015 1:33:12 GMT -5
Ok, I did mix remix and remaster, but "silly" comment stays. Aqualung was made ok, but TAAB already has it: listen to that drum solo at 1:30 of the second part and compare it to the original (added one extra glockenspiel part, some phase effect on drums). Many such moments on all remixed albums. Maybe some folks are ok with it, i don't like it.
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Post by adams on Nov 30, 2015 3:22:04 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this set. I think that the recordings for the TV show sound fresh and have a bit more bite than original LP; Salamander especially. Commerical Traveller is a fine song with a catchy chorus, and Salamander rag is interesting. The demo of One Brown Mouse doesn't seem that different from the HH version, I wonder why it didn't feature on SFTW? All in all, Too old to RnR is a stronger record than I remember, and the tracks work better individually than as a concept.
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Post by Eka on Nov 30, 2015 14:29:06 GMT -5
Strange how Salamander's Rag Time sounds as if from some later The Beatles album and solo guitar passages as if played by George Harrison. Commercial Traveller as well. Hoping it's not another silly comment  |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Dec 1, 2015 4:28:29 GMT -5
I enquired about someone having a listen to Advertising man and they informed me that they got a chance to hear it since and it's just a short unfinished instrumental with sound engineer speaking through it. So nothing to miss out on after all
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Post by minstrel on Dec 1, 2015 13:16:54 GMT -5
Don´t care. Many bands have released studio chatter as well.
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Post by TM on Dec 1, 2015 17:01:48 GMT -5
Got whole new shiny thing.. and feel like saying something about all these remasters.. Don't like how Steven Wilson is changing songs too much: time changes, doubling sequences, adding pouses, adding and shifting instrument layers.. Don't know why is he doing it: to put his own stamp? Feels too much just. Some would say that's why we get original flat transfers inside pack.. but still, would love to hear music as it is, just cleaned. And another thing about this board: I like it much more than that other one. Feels more concrete and substantial and most of all, it's realistic and mature. On that other one, well, mixed bag of everything. English is not my native language, but hope you get what I mean. Keep on good work Thank you. And I understand what you are saying with Steven Wilson. It would be okay to release alternate versions, but the songs should be left as they were and just cleaned up as you said. Unfortunately though some times the condition of the master tapes or even missing parts has affected these re-releases. For instance Rover was re-released without the strings because the recording was lost. Although some might be happy. |
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Post by TM on Dec 1, 2015 17:03:08 GMT -5
Constructive discussion? When I first joined this board, there was a hilarious thread that was getting a lot of replies: Homo Erraticus Substitutis game. Lol. That was a fun thread. |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Dec 5, 2015 17:03:51 GMT -5
Ok my 5 fave songs from tull in 1976 are: Strip cartoon A small cigar(full version) Commercial traveller Salamander ragtime Chequered flag 4 of these were not on the album as they were proposed for the actual tull album(a second album) that was meant to be released in 76 on top of the soundtrack album. Thankfully we have the songs available now on the remix but the band didn't get time to do another few songs to make up a second album worth. Same thing happened in 74. They released the soundtrack but not the additional tull album. The band completed two albums worth. and the remix gives us all of the songs that would have made up the tull album. Would you have preferred if Ian ditched the idea of making soundtracks in 74 and 76 and concentrated on tull style songs and albums? I know I would of  My fave 10 songs from tull in 74 are: Good godmother Glory row Saturation March the mad scientist Paradise steakhouse Rainbow blues Quartet Queen and country Warchild Skating away 7 non album tracks |
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Post by Icy Lucifer on Feb 16, 2016 5:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by TM on Feb 16, 2016 15:58:50 GMT -5
Ok my 5 fave songs from tull in 1976 are: Strip cartoon A small cigar(full version) Commercial traveller Salamander ragtime Chequered flag 4 of these were not on the album as they were proposed for the actual tull album(a second album) that was meant to be released in 76 on top of the soundtrack album. Thankfully we have the songs available now on the remix but the band didn't get time to do another few songs to make up a second album worth. Same thing happened in 74. They released the soundtrack but not the additional tull album. The band completed two albums worth. and the remix gives us all of the songs that would have made up the tull album. Would you have preferred if Ian ditched the idea of making soundtracks in 74 and 76 and concentrated on tull style songs and albums? I know I would of My fave 10 songs from tull in 74 are: Good godmother Glory row Saturation March the mad scientist Paradise steakhouse Rainbow blues Quartet Queen and country Warchild Skating away 7 non album tracks It's interesting how our tastes can differ. Saturation is one of Tull's worst songs IMO mainly because of the flute. |
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Post by StanDup on Feb 16, 2016 20:38:56 GMT -5
Ok my 5 fave songs from tull in 1976 are: Strip cartoon A small cigar(full version) Commercial traveller Salamander ragtime Chequered flag 4 of these were not on the album as they were proposed for the actual tull album(a second album) that was meant to be released in 76 on top of the soundtrack album. Thankfully we have the songs available now on the remix but the band didn't get time to do another few songs to make up a second album worth. Same thing happened in 74. They released the soundtrack but not the additional tull album. The band completed two albums worth. and the remix gives us all of the songs that would have made up the tull album. Would you have preferred if Ian ditched the idea of making soundtracks in 74 and 76 and concentrated on tull style songs and albums? I know I would of My fave 10 songs from tull in 74 are: Good godmother Glory row Saturation March the mad scientist Paradise steakhouse Rainbow blues Quartet Queen and country Warchild Skating away 7 non album tracks It's interesting how our tastes can differ. Saturation is one of Tull's worst songs IMO mainly because of the flute. I always liked Saturation, more so for the arrangement. |
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Post by Biggles on Feb 18, 2016 20:54:40 GMT -5
It's interesting how our tastes can differ. Saturation is one of Tull's worst songs IMO mainly because of the flute. I always liked Saturation, more so for the arrangement. I enjoyed the tour but, it took a while for this release to grow on me. Even now I vaguely remember Saturation. Sort of messy isn't it? |
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Post by StanDup on Feb 21, 2016 21:34:43 GMT -5
I always liked Saturation, more so for the arrangement. I enjoyed the tour but, it took a while for this release to grow on me. Even now I vaguely remember Saturation. Sort of messy isn't it? the end does sort of fizzle out. I like Martin's guitar work and the changes are cool. Especially the changes where it goes from quiet to loud in typical Tull bombastic style. |
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Post by Biggles on Feb 22, 2016 20:27:33 GMT -5
I enjoyed the tour but, it took a while for this release to grow on me. Even now I vaguely remember Saturation. Sort of messy isn't it? the end does sort of fizzle out. I like Martin's guitar work and the changes are cool. Especially the changes where it goes from quiet to loud in typical Tull bombastic style. I just played the anniversary version. Sounds better but, all those doubled vocals and flutes with too much reverb go to far. Martin and John we're trying hard to polish this... |
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Post by Cecil the Sealion on Feb 24, 2016 16:48:53 GMT -5
I think I'll take pied piper and salamander from the remaster since the original tapes of these weren't found. They lack high and low frequencies on the remix
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