Tullite
Ethnic Piano Accordian-ist
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Post by Tullite on Apr 23, 2010 20:09:24 GMT -5
ian took,a chance a very BIG chance on choosin flute and it has paid off for him big style , ok it waS chance and curcumstance b ut after that he has never had to look back cus it paid off if he had just played guitar or any other instrument would we be discussing this ?? i think not !!
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 24, 2010 14:47:52 GMT -5
ian took,a chance a very BIG chance on choosin flute and it has paid off for him big style , ok it waS chance and curcumstance b ut after that he has never had to look back cus it paid off if he had just played guitar or any other instrument would we be discussing this ?? i think not !! Okay, Jim, so I am registering your vote in favor of This Was over War Child, which means that This Was has now pulled into the lead! Our most interesting round yet. Score so far: This Was - 4 votes, War Child - 3 votes. Can TW garner the fifth and deciding vote, or will War Child make a comeback? Cast your ballot today! Jeff |
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Post by falstaff on Apr 24, 2010 15:19:45 GMT -5
In sheer theatricality, lyrical prowess, and musical variety, Warchild outstrips a great album like This Was. Warchild has proven, over the years, to be a real grower on me. Anderson's genre-bursting concepts had taken over the band's vision and each new Tull album now had a distinctive "look" that remains innovative today. His singing, as well, is impassioned on songs like "Queen and Country", "Sealion", and the classic rock staple "Bungle In The Jungle". The music has an orchestral-like sweep that makes "This Was" sound tiny and humble in comparison. It's simply the difference between an outstanding debut from a nascent talent in comparison to the masterpieces they produce in the full flight of artistic maturity.
Count my vote for Warchild. No disrespect to This Was intended.
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 24, 2010 15:57:56 GMT -5
In sheer theatricality, lyrical prowess, and musical variety, Warchild outstrips a great album like This Was. Warchild has proven, over the years, to be a real grower on me. Anderson's genre-bursting concepts had taken over the band's vision and each new Tull album now had a distinctive "look" that remains innovative today. His singing, as well, is impassioned on songs like "Queen and Country", "Sealion", and the classic rock staple "Bungle In The Jungle". The music has an orchestral-like sweep that makes "This Was" sound tiny and humble in comparison. It's simply the difference between an outstanding debut from a nascent talent in comparison to the masterpieces they produce in the full flight of artistic maturity. Count my vote for Warchild. No disrespect to This Was intended. Nice analysis and reasoning behind your vote, which is the tying vote in this round. We've got a nail-biter at: This Was - 4 votes, War Child - 4 votes!Jeff |
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Post by TM on Apr 24, 2010 17:31:39 GMT -5
Would someone please put This Was out of it's misery?  |
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Post by Dan on Apr 25, 2010 9:53:40 GMT -5
Album War Round 7: (This Was v. War Child)
Does the album break any new ground?
Being the inaugural album for Tull; I have to give the nod to This Was.
Who would have thought the introduction of the 'squeezy thing' on Warchild would be so prominent all these years later?
2) The complexity of the music: how adventurous is it?
Warchild, for the fact that not much has been duplicated live since the Warchild Tour and presumably the lack of complexity in the songs on This Was which every lineup has been able to play.
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme,
metaphor, content and meaning.
Warchild. Very 'English' sounding and not a rip off of American Blues.
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalog? Does it contain any Tull classics?
This Was for the continued live coverage of catalog.
5) How well-sung is the album?
Warchild in a slam dunk. Again, not a rip off of Ian trying to sound like a young, American Blues Singer.
Other criteria to be considered, but afforded less weight, include:
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
Air raid sirens and on Warchild, Ian sipping tea at the beginning of Skating Away and the dreaded aforementioned accordion, sax on Ladies ...all put the claghorn to shame.
Warchild.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Warchild for the back cover alone that feature band members, girlfriends and future Mrs. Anderson.
8) Production and sound quality of the album, but for this one should be consistent, as to audio equipment and CD quality, since it would be unfair to compare a remastered or gold CD to a regular disc, or to compare an album heard on a great stereo system compared to an old cassette tape played on a walkman.
War Child over This Was.
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
The Sealion alone is funnier than old men on This Was.
Total 9 categories:
Warchild: 7
This Was: 2
Putting This Was 'out of its misery' for TM.
WARCHILD 5
THIS WAS 4
Dan
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Post by TM on Apr 25, 2010 10:05:19 GMT -5
 Nice review Dan. I wonder if TW will ever come that close again?  |
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 25, 2010 10:12:29 GMT -5
Mazel Tov, we finally finished this round!
Okay, This Was's record falls to O Wins, 7 Losses.
Next up, Round 8, This Was v. Minstrel!
Jeff
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Bogenbroom
One of the Youngest of the Family
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Post by Bogenbroom on Apr 28, 2010 15:47:46 GMT -5
Nice review Dan. I wonder if TW will ever come that close again? Indeed it was, good read. Ha! Perhaps against Dot Com?  *goes to prepare dissertation on TW vs. Minstrel |
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 28, 2010 23:08:44 GMT -5
That's the spirit, Bogenbroom, preparing for the next round even before it's been announced!
I'll get Round 8 up and running in a few days, next week at the latest. I have a feelng it's going to be rather one-sided.
Jeff
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Bogenbroom
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Post by Bogenbroom on Apr 29, 2010 0:16:35 GMT -5
That's the spirit, Bogenbroom, preparing for the next round even before it's been announced! I'll get Round 8 up and running in a few days, next week at the latest. I have a feelng it's going to be rather one-sided. Jeff Alas, I fear you are correct  As much as I love This Was.... |
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Post by TM on Apr 29, 2010 9:07:07 GMT -5
That's the spirit, Bogenbroom, preparing for the next round even before it's been announced! I'll get Round 8 up and running in a few days, next week at the latest. I have a feelng it's going to be rather one-sided. Jeff Alas, I fear you are correct As much as I love This Was.... Oh, This Was has NO SHOT!   |
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Post by tootull on Apr 29, 2010 11:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by TM on Apr 29, 2010 11:14:00 GMT -5
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Post by tootull on Apr 29, 2010 11:27:07 GMT -5
TM as Founder. I demand it! |
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 29, 2010 11:37:00 GMT -5
Hold on, boys, we must let the democratic process grind its way through the commons, cold. Operative word being "grind." Jeff P.S. Tootull, your head must be killing you after all that...you may need to take some prescription-strength Tullenol.  |
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Post by tootull on Apr 29, 2010 11:40:19 GMT -5
Brawl on:
Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery
Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery
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Post by Nonfatman on Apr 29, 2010 11:44:38 GMT -5
Horses? You're jumping way ahead, we're still on This Was. We may move as slow as a hare (in the wine cup) on some things, but at least we are not hare-brained. ;D I am kind of enjoying the leisurely pace, but that last round did take forever, so I promise I will set up the next round over the weekend. But we must follow the nine-point analysis!  Remember, this is supposed to be an exercise in objectivity, and subjective feelings toward a particular album are supposed to be set aside. I know I will struggle with that myself in some future rounds. Jeff |
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Post by TM on Apr 29, 2010 13:09:58 GMT -5
Brawl on: Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Ah, I see the pace may have struck the raw nerve of your frozen flaking fish. Not to worry though, we'll see if I can light a cup of silver liquid fire under Nonfatman. |
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Post by tootull on Apr 29, 2010 14:23:21 GMT -5
Brawl on: Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Minstrel in the Gallery Ah, I see the pace may have struck the raw nerve of your frozen flaking fish. Not to worry though, we'll see if I can light a cup of silver liquid fire under Nonfatman. TM, The frozen flaking fish being speedy bogenbroom or at the very least his avatar. bogenbroom His explanation could be fishy. |
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Bogenbroom
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Post by Bogenbroom on Apr 30, 2010 8:56:27 GMT -5
TM, The frozen flaking fish being speedy bogenbroom or at the very least his avatar. bogenbroom His explanation could be fishy. My explanation will only be fishy several days after it's posted. They shoot horses, don't they? - Get on with this Album Wars slow train. Make it an espresso train (I hate coffee) - The Dr. likes speed (he's probably a coffee freak). I, sir, am a tea man! My dislike for coffee breaks a time or two a year and I have a hazelnut latte. |
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Post by tootull on Apr 30, 2010 9:09:52 GMT -5
TM, The frozen flaking fish being speedy bogenbroom or at the very least his avatar. bogenbroom His explanation could be fishy. My explanation will only be fishy several days after it's posted. They shoot horses, don't they? - Get on with this Album Wars slow train. Make it an espresso train (I hate coffee) - The Dr. likes speed (he's probably a coffee freak). I, sir, am a tea man! My dislike for coffee breaks a time or two a year and I have a hazelnut latte. I HATE coffee. "My explanation will only be fishy several days after it's posted." Agree! LOL Poor catfish, no barbs, that's fishy. Good to see you here - post more, don't worry about the time between. Your Tull views are always appreciated. tea cheers |
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Post by Nonfatman on May 3, 2010 0:40:28 GMT -5
Okay, to avoid a mini-revolt from breaking out ;D, let's proceed at last to the next round of This Was's album wars, to wit:
Round 8: This Was v. Minstrel in the Gallery
Let's try to bear in mind that subjective feelings are supposed to be put aside in this exercise, so even if, on an emotional level, you prefer one album over another, that's not what we're talking about here. Rather, this is supposed to be pitting the albums against each other according to a series of of objective criteria:
[glow=red,2,300]The main categories:[/glow]
1) Does the album break any new ground?
I think that at the time of its release, This Was was a totally unique and unusual sound, combining black American blues, jazz and rock, with that grunting, stuttering flute style. Sure, Ian got that entirely from Roland Kirk, but still it was a truly ground-breaking rock album. As great as the music is on Minstrel, I don't think it was groundbreaking, but maybe more of a continuation of the style of music that is found on Benefit, i.e., incorporating elements of Elizabethan folk with hard rock. So I would give this category to TW.
2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?
This would have to go to Minstrel, because of the title track, Black Satin Dance and Baker Street Muse. Black Satin Dancer may be one of Tull's most complex and difficult to play songs in their entire catalogue, with all those difficult changes in time signature. The album has great melodies throughout, which are constantly shifting. So this category goes to Minstrel.
3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme,
metaphor, content and meaning.
Although on a subjective level, I do not like the lyrics on Minstrel, because of the excessive word play and puns, and because of the insulting nature of the lyrics to the title track, I would have to concede that there is much more going on in terms of imagery, rhyme, etc. on Minstrel than on This Was, so here again, Minstrel wins.
4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?
This Was is really strong in this department with lots of great songs which have been, and continue to be, concert staples including Song For Jeffrey, Dharma for One, My Sunday Feeling, Beggars Farm, Serenade to a Cuckoo, Someday the Sun Won't Shine for You and Round. Just joking about that last one ;D, but the point is that Minstrel has only the title track, and once in awhile One White Duck, but even these two are hardly played live, so I would have to say that TW is more essential to the overall Tull catalogue.
This one goes to This Was.
5) How well-sung is the album?
Ian's singing was at its best during this period, so there's no contest here, it's Minstrel.
[glow=red,2,300]Other criteria to be considered, but afforded less weight, include:[/glow]
6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.
The harmonica, the stuttering flute playing, the scat-singing style, the claghorn and the Mick Abrahams songs including Cat's Squirrel, and then the unusual Round, all make for a more unusual album than Minstrel. This Was takes this category.
7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.
Fairly even category, I wouldn't say one over the other, so this one is a tie in my book.
8) Production and sound quality of the album, but for this one should be consistent, as to audio equipment and CD quality, since it would be unfair to compare a remastered or gold CD to a regular disc, or to compare an album heard on a great stereo system compared to an old cassette tape played on a walkman.
Bear in mind we are comparing the original versions of both, not future remastered versions, mono versions and the like, so having said that I would give Minstrel the nod over TW.
9) Does the album have a sense of humor?
Neither album has much of a sense of humor, except MITG does contain some humorous and vulgar depictions of certain street characters on BSM. But still, that's not really enough to win my vote, so I would call this department a tie.
To sum up, then: I gave three of the five more important categories to MITG. MITG and TW both won one apiece of the less important tests, and two were ties. So I give round 8 to Minstrel, but only by a small margin.
Round 8 score so far: Minstrel - 1 vote, This Was - 0 votes
Jeff
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Post by TM on May 3, 2010 9:13:32 GMT -5
Okay, to avoid a mini-revolt from breaking out ;D, let's proceed at last to the next round of This Was's album wars, to wit:
Round 8: This Was v. Minstrel in the GalleryLet's try to bear in mind that subjective feelings are supposed to be put aside in this exercise, so even if, on an emotional level, you prefer one album over another, that's not what we're talking about here. Rather, this is supposed to be pitting the albums against each other according to a series of of objective criteria: [glow=red,2,300]The main categories:[/glow] 1) Does the album break any new ground?I think that at the time of its release, This Was was a totally unique and unusual sound, combining black American blues, jazz and rock, with that grunting, stuttering flute style. Sure, Ian got that entirely from Roland Kirk, but still it was a truly ground-breaking rock album. As great as the music is on Minstrel, I don't think it was groundbreaking, but maybe more of a continuation of the style of music that is found on Benefit, i.e., incorporating elements of Elizabethan folk with hard rock. So I would give this category to TW. 2) The complexity/quality of the music: how adventurous is it? Are the melodies consistently good?This would have to go to Minstrel, because of the title track, Black Satin Dance and Baker Street Muse. Black Satin Dancer may be one of Tull's most complex and difficult to play songs in their entire catalogue, with all those difficult changes in time signature. The album has great melodies throughout, which are constantly shifting. So this category goes to Minstrel. 3) The quality of the lyrics in terms of imagery, rhyme,
metaphor, content and meaning.Although on a subjective level, I do not like the lyrics on Minstrel, because of the excessive word play and puns, and because of the insulting nature of the lyrics to the title track, I would have to concede that there is much more going on in terms of imagery, rhyme, etc. on Minstrel than on This Was, so here again, Minstrel wins. 4) How essential the album is to the Tull catalogue? Does it contain any Tull classics?This Was is really strong in this department with lots of great songs which have been, and continue to be, concert staples including Song For Jeffrey, Dharma for One, My Sunday Feeling, Beggars Farm, Serenade to a Cuckoo, Someday the Sun Won't Shine for You and Round. Just joking about that last one ;D, but the point is that Minstrel has only the title track, and once in awhile One White Duck, but even these two are hardly played live, so I would have to say that TW is more essential to the overall Tull catalogue. This one goes to This Was. 5) How well-sung is the album?Ian's singing was at its best during this period, so there's no contest here, it's Minstrel. [glow=red,2,300]Other criteria to be considered, but afforded less weight, include:[/glow] 6) Are there any unusual or interesting musical touches, like the claghorn on This Was for example.The harmonica, the stuttering flute playing, the scat-singing style, the claghorn and the Mick Abrahams songs including Cat's Squirrel, and then the unusual Round, all make for a more unusual album than Minstrel. This Was takes this category. 7) The overall packaging and presentation of the album, including artwork, liner notes, etc.Fairly even category, I wouldn't say one over the other, so this one is a tie in my book. 8) Production and sound quality of the album, but for this one should be consistent, as to audio equipment and CD quality, since it would be unfair to compare a remastered or gold CD to a regular disc, or to compare an album heard on a great stereo system compared to an old cassette tape played on a walkman.Bear in mind we are comparing the original versions of both, not future remastered versions, mono versions and the like, so having said that I would give Minstrel the nod over TW. 9) Does the album have a sense of humor?Neither album has much of a sense of humor, except MITG does contain some humorous and vulgar depictions of certain street characters on BSM. But still, that's not really enough to win my vote, so I would call this department a tie. To sum up, then: I gave three of the five more important categories to MITG. MITG and TW both won one apiece of the less important tests, and two were ties. So I give round 8 to Minstrel, but only by a small margin. Round 8 score so far: Minstrel - 1 vote, This Was - 0 votesJeff  |
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Post by tootull on May 5, 2010 12:07:54 GMT -5
I regretfully (yeah sure) disqualify myself from this war. I can't participate because Minstrel in the Gallery is my #1 album by any artist. Isn't it just too damn real?
There's a haze on the skyline, to wish me on my way.
And there's a note on the telephone some roses on a tray.
And the motorway's stretching right out to us all,
as I pull on my old wings one white duck on your wall.
Isn't it just too damn real? One white duck on your wall.
One duck on your wall.
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As much as I love This Was....
