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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 10:37:59 GMT -5
Post by Campion on Feb 3, 2012 10:37:59 GMT -5
I think that we can tease a possible narrative about Martin out of the sources in this thread. It is, as I posted in another thread, very similar to what happened with the A album and tour, the only difference being Anderson's casuistic insistence that this is Ian Anderson playing Jethro Tull. So here goes-- Anderson recorded TAAB2 with his kid and the little solo band. Barre was not involved. Then he asked Barre if he was willing to tour the new album, and Barre, understandably insulted, probably told Andrrson that if he didn't think that he (Barre) was worthy of recording the album then he wasn't going to tour the album. Anderson is also treating Doane Perry like shite. That is troubling. And so is this to an extent: This album is not an official Jethro Tull release. Is that correct?Well, you can call it what you want really. I don’t mind. I’m happily not in the position where I have to label things too carefully. It is what it is, what it says. It’s my album and that’s indeed the original Thick As A Brick, something I wrote – nobody else did, it was only me. So I guess I’m just having a slightly Roger Waters selfish moment and making people realize I am the author of this, not the members of the band that were there in 1972. Three of them don’t play music anymore. It was never an option to rekindle the musical flames of having the actual musicians that played on it 40 years ago play on this. That was never going to be an option. So I felt this was something that probably deserved to feature my own name rather more prominently, and so it does.That's it, Ian. Now its time, as you once wrote, to get out and chase the small immortality. Small as in petty.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 10:49:23 GMT -5
Post by LJG on Feb 3, 2012 10:49:23 GMT -5
Look. This is an unpopular opinion... but if he really nailed TAAB on his own... as I've thought... then why not lay claim?
Sure it seems a bit assholish. And clearly Ian has an ego... but he's also produced the goods to back it up. If I started picking my musical tastes and heros based on their personal idiosyncracies, their capacities to be nice guys, and their moral failings... I'd have no music left to listen to.
I'm going to judge this the way I judge everything Ian has touched... by what comes out of my speakers and off the stage. I love Ian for the music he's given me... not for having me... or his band members... over for tea.
And that's the way it will continue to be. I believe him to be one of the true creative geniuses in rock... capable of doing it all. Writing, playing (multiple instruments), stage presence etc. If he's a bit of a jerk on the side... so be it. I don't play his music to get lessons on how to relate to my friends.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 10:50:37 GMT -5
Post by jtul07 on Feb 3, 2012 10:50:37 GMT -5
That's it, Ian. Now its time, as you once wrote, to get out and chase the small immortality. Small as in petty. We all say things that are never written in stone. Ian has become self aware in terms of his Legacy. If he wants to be remembered for something special, then let it be now.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 10:51:59 GMT -5
Post by LJG on Feb 3, 2012 10:51:59 GMT -5
Look. This is an unpopular opinion... but if he really nailed TAAB on his own... as I've thought... then why not lay claim?
Sure it seems a bit assholish. And clearly Ian has an ego... but he's also produced the goods to back it up. If I started picking my musical tastes and heros based on their personal idiosyncracies, their capacities to be nice guys, and their moral failings... I'd have no music left to listen to.
I'm going to judge this the way I judge everything Ian has touched... by what comes out of my speakers and off the stage. I love Ian for the music he's given me... not for having me... or his band members... over for tea.
And that's the way it will continue to be. I believe him to be one of the true creative geniuses in rock... capable of doing it all. Writing, playing (multiple instruments), stage presence etc. If he's a bit of a jerk on the side... so be it. I don't play his music to get lessons on how to relate to my friends. The music transcends all that. If it moves me... that's what counts at the end of the day.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 11:14:18 GMT -5
Post by TM on Feb 3, 2012 11:14:18 GMT -5
Jethro Tull is a lot like rooting for your favorite sports team.
You have to root for the uniform, not the individuals in them.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 11:20:04 GMT -5
Post by jtul07 on Feb 3, 2012 11:20:04 GMT -5
Wond'ring aloud, Now 40 years later we have TaaB2 to be released in April. So 40 years hence will there be TaaB 'the prequel' where Gerald(Little Milton) Bostock is conceived and then his birth? This would be difficult for Ian. He has no memory of those early years when he transformed his identity to become Gerald Bostock. .........TAAB - 1..........................TAAB - 2..............................TAAB - 3............
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 12:37:38 GMT -5
Post by tootull on Feb 3, 2012 12:37:38 GMT -5
I think that we can tease a possible narrative about Martin out of the sources in this thread. It is, as I posted in another thread, very similar to what happened with the A album and tour, the only difference being Anderson's casuistic insistence that this is Ian Anderson playing Jethro Tull. So here goes-- Anderson recorded TAAB2 with his kid and the little solo band. Barre was not involved. Then he asked Barre if he was willing to tour the new album, and Barre, understandably insulted, probably told Andrrson that if he didn't think that he (Barre) was worthy of recording the album then he wasn't going to tour the album. Anderson is also treating Doane Perry like shite. That is troubling. And so is this to an extent: This album is not an official Jethro Tull release. Is that correct?Well, you can call it what you want really. I don’t mind. I’m happily not in the position where I have to label things too carefully. It is what it is, what it says. It’s my album and that’s indeed the original Thick As A Brick, something I wrote – nobody else did, it was only me. So I guess I’m just having a slightly Roger Waters selfish moment and making people realize I am the author of this, not the members of the band that were there in 1972. Three of them don’t play music anymore. It was never an option to rekindle the musical flames of having the actual musicians that played on it 40 years ago play on this. That was never going to be an option. So I felt this was something that probably deserved to feature my own name rather more prominently, and so it does.A fireside reading for TM, a northern fire! Go Giants! Here we go... Regarding Thick as a Brick1972 “The day would normally begin with me getting up really early in order to have two or three hours in which to write some music, which I then presented to the band as material that I’d written weeks before! We’d run through it, with the band adding their thoughts and ideas as we went along, and we developed it along with the music we had rehearsed the day before. So it built up sequentially day by day. It started at the beginning, and every day we added a bit more, sometimes reprising one of the earlier ideas in some way. By the end of about two weeks we had the whole thing rehearsed from beginning to end, in the way we were actually going to record it. Because of that, because we all knew it as a band, we recorded it in only about a week, which was really quickly. In fact the recording was so much easier than putting the cover together!” - Ian Anderson Minstrels In The Gallery a history of Jethro Tull by David Rees The do-er and the thinker: no allowance for the other
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 13:23:05 GMT -5
Post by TM on Feb 3, 2012 13:23:05 GMT -5
That is troubling. And so is this to an extent: This album is not an official Jethro Tull release. Is that correct?Well, you can call it what you want really. I don’t mind. I’m happily not in the position where I have to label things too carefully. It is what it is, what it says. It’s my album and that’s indeed the original Thick As A Brick, something I wrote – nobody else did, it was only me. So I guess I’m just having a slightly Roger Waters selfish moment and making people realize I am the author of this, not the members of the band that were there in 1972. Three of them don’t play music anymore. It was never an option to rekindle the musical flames of having the actual musicians that played on it 40 years ago play on this. That was never going to be an option. So I felt this was something that probably deserved to feature my own name rather more prominently, and so it does.A fireside reading for TM, a northern fire! Go Giants! Here we go... Regarding Thick as a Brick1972 “The day would normally begin with me getting up really early in order to have two or three hours in which to write some music, which I then presented to the band as material that I’d written weeks before! We’d run through it, with the band adding their thoughts and ideas as we went along, and we developed it along with the music we had rehearsed the day before. So it built up sequentially day by day. It started at the beginning, and every day we added a bit more, sometimes reprising one of the earlier ideas in some way. By the end of about two weeks we had the whole thing rehearsed from beginning to end, in the way we were actually going to record it. Because of that, because we all knew it as a band, we recorded it in only about a week, which was really quickly. In fact the recording was so much easier than putting the cover together!” - Ian Anderson Minstrels In The Gallery a history of Jethro Tull by David Rees The do-er and the thinker: no allowance for the other There you go. You know, there's just too much Giants support for my comfort level. I'm not used to it! Being a Giants fan is like being a Tull fan
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 13:38:16 GMT -5
Post by tootull on Feb 3, 2012 13:38:16 GMT -5
A fireside reading for TM, a northern fire! Go Giants! Here we go... Regarding Thick as a Brick1972 “The day would normally begin with me getting up really early in order to have two or three hours in which to write some music, which I then presented to the band as material that I’d written weeks before! We’d run through it, with the band adding their thoughts and ideas as we went along, and we developed it along with the music we had rehearsed the day before. So it built up sequentially day by day. It started at the beginning, and every day we added a bit more, sometimes reprising one of the earlier ideas in some way. By the end of about two weeks we had the whole thing rehearsed from beginning to end, in the way we were actually going to record it. Because of that, because we all knew it as a band, we recorded it in only about a week, which was really quickly. In fact the recording was so much easier than putting the cover together!” - Ian Anderson Minstrels In The Gallery a history of Jethro Tull by David Rees The do-er and the thinker: no allowance for the other There you go. You know, there's just too much Giants support for my comfort level. I'm not used to it! Being a Giants fan is like being a Tull fan There you go. Here we go! Yeah! I've read the word "we" regarding TAAB1972 for years, now it's "I". TAAB1972, the blending of a Tull band that lead to magic. Let's forget the word magic, too. Like Roger Waters forgot. ...not too serious, just a fireside chat.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 13:47:50 GMT -5
Post by singe on Feb 3, 2012 13:47:50 GMT -5
Jethro Tull’s Ian Anderson On Thick As A Brick 2, The Grammys And More By Evan Schlansky February 2nd, 2012 at 4:35 pm This album is not an official Jethro Tull release. Is that correct? Well, you can call it what you want really. I don’t mind. I’m happily not in the position where I have to label things too carefully. It is what it is, what it says. It’s my album and that’s indeed the original Thick As A Brick, something I wrote – nobody else did, it was only me. So I guess I’m just having a slightly Roger Waters selfish moment and making people realize I am the author of this, not the members of the band that were there in 1972. Three of them don’t play music anymore. It was never an option to rekindle the musical flames of having the actual musicians that played on it 40 years ago play on this. That was never going to be an option. So I felt this was something that probably deserved to feature my own name rather more prominently, and so it does. Read the whole thing at: www.americansongwriter.com/2012/02/jethro-tulls-ian-anderson-on-thick-as-a-brick-2-the-grammys-and-more/2/
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 16:16:41 GMT -5
Post by Preston Platform on Feb 3, 2012 16:16:41 GMT -5
Read the following by luis Nasser on Prog Ears in adiscussion about Ian and TAAB 2
Do you think he has a point ? I can see where he is coming from ..but I welcome any new music and this for me overides any detractions be it lack of martin or the point made below.
My only reservation is that he turned songs he's been playing for a few years and somehow injected them into this new TAAB2 project. In that regard, it will lack the immediacy and spontaneity of the original, not to mention he wrote these tunes without thinking of them in the context of TAAB 2.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 18:18:51 GMT -5
Post by TM on Feb 3, 2012 18:18:51 GMT -5
Read the following by luis Nasser on Prog Ears in adiscussion about Ian and TAAB 2 Do you think he has a point ? I can see where he is coming from ..but I welcome any new music and this for me overides any detractions be it lack of martin or the point made below. My only reservation is that he turned songs he's been playing for a few years and somehow injected them into this new TAAB2 project. In that regard, it will lack the immediacy and spontaneity of the original, not to mention he wrote these tunes without thinking of them in the context of TAAB 2. I believe Ian said he wrote the lyrics with TAAB2 in mind, but changed them early on as to not give away what was to come.
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TAAB2
Feb 3, 2012 21:41:43 GMT -5
Post by skytzo on Feb 3, 2012 21:41:43 GMT -5
I'll try not to pass judgement until I hear the music, but I'm not getting all warm and fuzzy about Ian's new stance of taking a shit on the contributions of the guys who helped bring one of his crowning achievements to fruition. The ambiguity of whether or not it is a Tull release is really leaving a bad taste in my mouth I must say. The Roger Waters parallels are astounding....
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TAAB2
Feb 4, 2012 8:35:19 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 8:35:19 GMT -5
'Nuff said
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TAAB2
Feb 4, 2012 11:47:27 GMT -5
Post by My God on Feb 4, 2012 11:47:27 GMT -5
A fireside reading for TM, a northern fire! Go Giants! Here we go... Regarding Thick as a Brick1972 “The day would normally begin with me getting up really early in order to have two or three hours in which to write some music, which I then presented to the band as material that I’d written weeks before! We’d run through it, with the band adding their thoughts and ideas as we went along, and we developed it along with the music we had rehearsed the day before. So it built up sequentially day by day. It started at the beginning, and every day we added a bit more, sometimes reprising one of the earlier ideas in some way. By the end of about two weeks we had the whole thing rehearsed from beginning to end, in the way we were actually going to record it. Because of that, because we all knew it as a band, we recorded it in only about a week, which was really quickly. In fact the recording was so much easier than putting the cover together!” - Ian Anderson Minstrels In The Gallery a history of Jethro Tull by David Rees The do-er and the thinker: no allowance for the other There you go. You know, there's just too much Giants support for my comfort level. I'm not used to it! Being a Giants fan is like being a Tull fan If the Giants don't win, they'll be jumping off the band wagon in droves. Being a Tull fan is much better than being a Giants fan, unless you're a Pats fan. Hope I don't get Cornicked for this. Go Pats! He sees his children jumping off, at stations one by one.
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TAAB2
Feb 4, 2012 21:00:53 GMT -5
Post by jtul07 on Feb 4, 2012 21:00:53 GMT -5
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TAAB2
Feb 10, 2012 9:52:26 GMT -5
Post by tootull on Feb 10, 2012 9:52:26 GMT -5
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TAAB2
Feb 10, 2012 10:41:19 GMT -5
Post by My God on Feb 10, 2012 10:41:19 GMT -5
I still consider TAAB2 as another incarnation of Tull, even without Martin. I think we all know why it's labeled as an Ian Anderson solo album. For a second or so, we were running scared.
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TAAB2
Feb 10, 2012 10:51:10 GMT -5
Post by tootull on Feb 10, 2012 10:51:10 GMT -5
Ian Anderson is Jethro Tull Jethro Tull is Ian Anderson
Tell me, "All right.'' -Ian Anderson
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TAAB2
Feb 10, 2012 11:07:12 GMT -5
Post by My God on Feb 10, 2012 11:07:12 GMT -5
Ian Anderson is Jethro Tull Jethro Tull is Ian Anderson Tell me, "All right.'' -Ian Anderson Yep, that's correct. Walking with you.
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TAAB2
Feb 10, 2012 16:00:30 GMT -5
Post by tootull on Feb 10, 2012 16:00:30 GMT -5
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Feb 13, 2012 7:54:34 GMT -5
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TAAB2
Feb 13, 2012 10:16:42 GMT -5
Post by Preston Platform on Feb 13, 2012 10:16:42 GMT -5
You just beat me to it Pat I was just about to post this link. I find it interesting to read S. Wilsons positive take on TAAB 2 maybe not as good as the original but apparently a very creditable attempt by Ian
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Feb 13, 2012 10:27:49 GMT -5
Post by My God on Feb 13, 2012 10:27:49 GMT -5
You just beat me to it Pat I was just about to post this link. I find it interesting to read S. Wilsons positive take on TAAB 2 maybe not as good as the original but apparently a very creditable attempt by Ian We'll all know April 2nd for sure. I'll judge you all and make dam sure, no one judges me.
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TAAB2
Feb 13, 2012 10:32:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 10:32:16 GMT -5
You just beat me to it Pat I was just about to post this link. I find it interesting to read S. Wilsons positive take on TAAB 2 maybe not as good as the original but apparently a very creditable attempt by Ian Sorry about that young man, just goes to show that here on the Board we are constantly in touch with Tull world bringing up-to-date news and views, I mean where else would anyone else get it if you didn't get it from here first ;D
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