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Feb 23, 2012 9:24:52 GMT -5
Post by My God on Feb 23, 2012 9:24:52 GMT -5
Hopefully the lobster analogy will fit a return of Martin to Tull. Do I exit Stage left, stage right.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:22:10 GMT -5
Post by Koba the Cat on Feb 23, 2012 10:22:10 GMT -5
What a great interview. Ian has proven me wrong about not having the fire in his belly anymore. He definitely still has it, and more important than whether TAAB2 is a masterpieces, disastor, or something in between, is that it has been made by an artist willing to take chances, just like Ian did with many of the best Tull albums. I also feel much better about the 'split' with Martin. It seems no bridges have been burned, and there will be more Jethro Tull with Martin, at least in concert someday.
I made a bad mistake back in the 80's of getting caught up in the bitter Pink Floyd/Roger Waters feud. I took Waters' side, still do, but let it sour me on the other 3 for a long time. After they made up in 2005 and made some further amends I can finally listen to Division Bell, for example, and appreciate that it at least has some good attributes. Martin and Ian are at a stage in their professional and personal lives where they should just follow their hearts and what makes them happy. We don't have to choose between either. When they take the stage together again someday whomever among us is present should give them a standing ovation. And who knows, maybe Ian will invite Martin to pull a 'David Gilmore' later this year at one of his TAAB shows and he can play a guitar solo.
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Feb 23, 2012 11:34:36 GMT -5
Post by My God on Feb 23, 2012 11:34:36 GMT -5
Good Interview! At least Ian seems to have come up with a decent explanation about his honest feelings of wanting to play with other musicians who may not be as old, cranky, and will work 100% under his order and direction. If Martin was really preventing new music from happening then I would feel a little better about how things went down. But I doubt it. Does this mean there will be no Aqua/Loco at these Ian shows? Went to Tull's website. Don't see no US dates yet. There will be some, right? You put your bet on number one and it comes up everytime.
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Feb 23, 2012 12:54:23 GMT -5
Post by skytzo on Feb 23, 2012 12:54:23 GMT -5
Hmmm.....a dig at Andy Giddings perhaps? ;D
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Feb 23, 2012 13:12:52 GMT -5
Post by Preston Platform on Feb 23, 2012 13:12:52 GMT -5
I was wondering about this ..at first I thought it was P Vettesse but I am now thinking that its probably A. Giddings
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Feb 23, 2012 13:29:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 13:29:33 GMT -5
I was wondering about this ..at first I thought it was P Vettesse but I am now thinking that its probably A. Giddings Preston, we seem to share the same thought process on this one
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Feb 23, 2012 14:00:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 14:00:13 GMT -5
that's why you rehearse before you record. Keyboard presets are as easy as hitting a button. I can see if the musician is just a time waster in general but you really can't afford to let the keyboard player get the right sound for the song??? Yeah probably a dig at Giddings. Should send him the link.
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Feb 23, 2012 15:53:06 GMT -5
Post by Koba the Cat on Feb 23, 2012 15:53:06 GMT -5
It could be Andy but it makes no sense in that 1) I don't associate him with 'cheesy 80's sounds', unlike Peter Vettesse, 2) If Ian had an issue with this, why did he keep him around for som many years? I think Andy is the reigning Tull keyboardist for tenure 4) Ian thought highly enough of him to use him on Divinities and SLOB, both very non-80's sounding, and 5) one of Andy's comments when leaving was that he wanted to tour less and seemingly record more. My money is on Vettesse.
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Feb 23, 2012 16:22:12 GMT -5
Post by Dan on Feb 23, 2012 16:22:12 GMT -5
It could be Andy but it makes no sense in that 1) I don't associate him with 'cheesy 80's sounds', unlike Peter Vettesse, 2) If Ian had an issue with this, why did he keep him around for som many years? I think Andy is the reigning Tull keyboardist for tenure 4) Ian thought highly enough of him to use him on Divinities and SLOB, both very non-80's sounding, and 5) one of Andy's comments when leaving was that he wanted to tour less and seemingly record more. My money is on Vettesse. My thinking is Vettesse also. Giddings wasn't on board until '91. Didn't Peter date Ian's daughter, Gael or something like that? Dan
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Feb 23, 2012 16:50:22 GMT -5
Post by tootull on Feb 23, 2012 16:50:22 GMT -5
It could be Andy but it makes no sense in that 1) I don't associate him with 'cheesy 80's sounds', unlike Peter Vettesse, 2) If Ian had an issue with this, why did he keep him around for som many years? I think Andy is the reigning Tull keyboardist for tenure 4) Ian thought highly enough of him to use him on Divinities and SLOB, both very non-80's sounding, and 5) one of Andy's comments when leaving was that he wanted to tour less and seemingly record more. My money is on Vettesse. Same as I posted: My money is on Peter Vettese. For sure. www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=7439268&postcount=104
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Feb 23, 2012 17:27:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 17:27:42 GMT -5
Vetesse was the original cheesy 80's sounds but they weren't considered cheesy back then or 80's. They were just the sounds of the day. 80's sounds didn't become considered cheesy until the 90's. Vetesse was only in Tull for 4 yrs, the last LP he recorded with them being nearly 30 yrs ago when Ian was in his mid 30's. I don't see how he could possibly have Vetesse in mind. The entire approach to recording has completely changed since then. Anyway he's probably making a general reference not just about keys but just not having the time to deal with 'cranky' older musicians who are set in their ways. Something that's probably more important to him these days when time is of the essence, rather than 30 yrs ago when Vetesse was around.
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Feb 23, 2012 19:24:44 GMT -5
Post by Koba the Cat on Feb 23, 2012 19:24:44 GMT -5
This is a little off topic but I would give real money to hear Garth Hudson of The Band to take over the keyboards for just one night with Ian/Tull!
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Feb 23, 2012 22:34:10 GMT -5
Post by skytzo on Feb 23, 2012 22:34:10 GMT -5
Vetesse was the original cheesy 80's sounds but they weren't considered cheesy back then or 80's. They were just the sounds of the day. 80's sounds didn't become considered cheesy until the 90's. Vetesse was only in Tull for 4 yrs, the last LP he recorded with them being nearly 30 yrs ago when Ian was in his mid 30's. I don't see how he could possibly have Vetesse in mind. The entire approach to recording has completely changed since then. Anyway he's probably making a general reference not just about keys but just not having the time to deal with 'cranky' older musicians who are set in their ways. Something that's probably more important to him these days when time is of the essence, rather than 30 yrs ago when Vetesse was around. Exactly. Why would he go out of his way to take a shot at someone he hasn't worked with in 28 years? Like you said, the "cheesy" sounds would've been contemporary at the time, so it makes no sense.
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Feb 24, 2012 5:39:39 GMT -5
Post by Stjerky on Feb 24, 2012 5:39:39 GMT -5
80's sounds didn't become considered cheesy until the 90's. I realized the 80's sound were cheesy when Whitesnake re-recorded "Here I Go Again" with an 80's synth sound instead of Hammond for their 1987 album. Actually I think I realized already before that, but can't remeber other obvious examples.
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Feb 24, 2012 10:31:41 GMT -5
Post by My God on Feb 24, 2012 10:31:41 GMT -5
Hmmm.....a dig at Andy Giddings perhaps? ;D I think...... Peter-John Vettese....maybe. I got you Under Wraps.
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Feb 24, 2012 10:53:53 GMT -5
Post by TM on Feb 24, 2012 10:53:53 GMT -5
Hmmm.....a dig at Andy Giddings perhaps? ;D I think...... Peter-John Vettese....maybe. I got you Under Wraps. Yes, I think you're right. I recall a conversation with an ex-member who mentioned how arduous UW was to make. Perhaps Peter's experimentation with sound patches had something to do with it....
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Feb 24, 2012 12:15:05 GMT -5
Post by egrorian on Feb 24, 2012 12:15:05 GMT -5
Very interesting IA interview, which - to my thinking anyway - seems to shoot down these "Martin has been booted" theories as from Ian's comments, there clearly hasn't been any bust up or falling out . I was surprised to read that Martin doesn't enjoy the recording process though.
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Feb 24, 2012 13:20:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 13:20:12 GMT -5
80's sounds didn't become considered cheesy until the 90's. I realized the 80's sound were cheesy when Whitesnake re-recorded "Here I Go Again" with an 80's synth sound instead of Hammond for their 1987 album. Actually I think I realized already before that, but can't remeber other obvious examples. don't get me wrong I also knew it was cheezy and hated all of it. It was the sound of the times though. I remember hearing all sorts of stuff from the early 80's that was horrible.
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Feb 24, 2012 13:22:11 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 13:22:11 GMT -5
I think...... Peter-John Vettese....maybe. I got you Under Wraps. Yes, I think you're right. I recall a conversation with an ex-member who mentioned how arduous UW was to make. Perhaps Peter's experimentation with sound patches had something to do with it.... Again, that was 30 years ago. Don't you think Ian was referring to more modern times? He was talking about how long it takes to record an album..Back then they were recording onto big reel to reel tapes. There were a ton of things that took much more time than loading a keyboard patch. Ian brought in Vetesse to get those cheesy sounds and I 've only heard him say great things about working with Vetesse and his contributions to writing etc.. I just don't see Ian bringing up something from another lifetime ago when talking about making an album these days.
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Feb 24, 2012 15:37:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 15:37:20 GMT -5
Very interesting IA interview, which - to my thinking anyway - seems to shoot down these "Martin has been booted" theories as from Ian's comments, there clearly hasn't been any bust up or falling out . I was surprised to read that Martin doesn't enjoy the recording process though. Yes it was a good interview. Ian, though, over the years has developed a very graceful way of skirting issues or couching them in a way that gives him "cover" He is a 1st rate promoter of his pursuits. If some "uncomfortable" situation occurred between he and Martin, Ian is the last person you will hear about it from. He STILL doesn't talk about the reasons that Glen Cornick was dumped at an airport in NY. It's a very shameful story, as was the situation in 1980. That was handled badly. In those days though Terry Ellis was handling PR and band business, not always so graciously. So with Ian you really have to read between the lines. He is giving this interview to promote TAAB2 and the upcoming tour, he doesn't want the story line to be about a bad situation. On the recording process Martin has always said he is very uncomfortable in the studio, very self concious and under pressure. He has said that his favorite album to record was UnderWraps because they did it themselves, same with Crest.. with no tape operator and engineer and studio costs. He said he felt the pressure of not wasting their time and the money it cost. The gent that he is. Just my 2 cents Darin
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Feb 24, 2012 16:09:00 GMT -5
Post by TM on Feb 24, 2012 16:09:00 GMT -5
Yes, I think you're right. I recall a conversation with an ex-member who mentioned how arduous UW was to make. Perhaps Peter's experimentation with sound patches had something to do with it.... Again, that was 30 years ago. Don't you think Ian was referring to more modern times? He was talking about how long it takes to record an album..Back then they were recording onto big reel to reel tapes. There were a ton of things that took much more time than loading a keyboard patch. Ian brought in Vetesse to get those cheesy sounds and I 've only heard him say great things about working with Vetesse and his contributions to writing etc.. I just don't see Ian bringing up something from another lifetime ago when talking about making an album these days. It really wouldn't surprise me if Ian was referring to Andy. After all he did say that this member had been with Tull for "quite a few years'. But since he brought up 80's keyboard sounds it leads us to Peter obviously. I don't recall Andy using 80's sounds except for maybe the solo in Far Alaska. And I remember thinking the sound patch was totally inappropriate for that song! Hey, so maybe it is Bitter!
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Feb 24, 2012 17:26:32 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 17:26:32 GMT -5
Well considering it was the 80s and cheesy synthesizer parts were rampant in the music industry, I think Vettese did a pretty good job considering. Especially on broadsword. He was pretty creative.
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Feb 27, 2012 15:44:24 GMT -5
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Feb 27, 2012 17:23:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 17:23:18 GMT -5
Great interview--one of the best I've read of his in a while. Interesting bit about Martin for those who don't want to read the whole thing:
"Martin is doing other stuff this year. We had a long talk last summer in the USA about a number of things he wanted to do this year, and I wanted to do that were on a different level. Martin has a pretty full schedule this year playing with other musicians. I believe he has two new band line ups of his own, doing amongst other things, some of the early Jethro Tull repertoire, so we have our separate paths for the moment which is good for both of us before we get too old to do these things, but my musicians that play with me on this album and tour, well three of the four of them have played with me for ten years now."
I will definitely be looking out for The Darkness' "Cannonball"
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Feb 27, 2012 17:39:13 GMT -5
Post by Dan on Feb 27, 2012 17:39:13 GMT -5
Great interview--one of the best I've read of his in a while. Interesting bit about Martin for those who don't want to read the whole thing: "Martin is doing other stuff this year. We had a long talk last summer in the USA about a number of things he wanted to do this year, and I wanted to do that were on a different level. Martin has a pretty full schedule this year playing with other musicians. I believe he has two new band line ups of his own, doing amongst other things, some of the early Jethro Tull repertoire, so we have our separate paths for the moment which is good for both of us before we get too old to do these things, but my musicians that play with me on this album and tour, well three of the four of them have played with me for ten years now." I will definitely be looking out for The Darkness' "Cannonball" There are many new live versions of "Cannonball" kicking around YouTube albeit without Ian. Dan
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