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Post by Lucas on Mar 18, 2014 18:32:07 GMT -5
Just listened to Cold Dead Reckoning. Interesting. The keyboards until the middle of the song annoyed me a little bit though, could have been more imaginative. Not bad though. I suppose the end of it will be a good album closure.
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Post by homoDUNC78 on Mar 19, 2014 5:14:09 GMT -5
Can't find CDR.
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Post by Heavy Horse on Mar 19, 2014 6:21:31 GMT -5
This is like searching the house for presents, two weeks before Christmas! I'll wait until I can hear the whole thing, I think!
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Post by Zombywoof on Mar 19, 2014 8:30:36 GMT -5
Someone has posted a 3 track promo on Youtube. Sounding really great, Engineer is growing on me. The beginning of Pax Britannica is right out of TaaB. I've liked everything I've heard so far and what I didn't like at first is growing on me. I think we can expect a strong release from Ian and co. As for the 'squeezy thing' - don't forget it was all over classic Tull! (See Queen and Country and others from WarChild ...)
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Post by Zombywoof on Mar 19, 2014 8:34:41 GMT -5
The Engineer is very good, I cannot stop happily singing "Pax Britannica, Pax Britannica!" In my head, After This Wars is just ok, and Doggerland remains incredible to me. All in all, it seems the old man really came back to the years of writing great music. Enough of best of tours. The band sounds much better as I said before, they have grown incredibly as a band since TaaB2, much more easy flowing music, the drummer is playing a lot better, and the aggressive fast playing style of Florian sits really well in this songs. Got a feeling this one will be the first really great album since Roots. Also, I really do not want to start any silly argument so hold your horses, but this songs says Tull to me much more than TaaB2, that was more like Ian's previous solo albuns than Tull works.Looking foward to it! I agree with you Lucas, that so far the four or five songs I've heard sound more like Tull songs, sans Martin, than IA solo pieces. Aside from the beginning to Pax Brittanica, I don't see that much of a resemblance to Brick 2, except that you can tell it's the same band. However, to me these songs sound like 90's Tull, around the time of RTB and Dot Com, rather than a return to the 70's-era Tull that I was expecting based upon Ian's description of H.E. being a "prog-folk-metal" album. I don't think that you can call these songs "prog" by any stretch of the imagination. They seem like standard rock songs. Perhaps in saying that the album was going to be prog-rock, Ian was referring simply to the fact that it is a concept album. Jeff My theory? He's just gotten the 'prog god' award, so of course he's going to say it's prog! Roots was pretty proggy back in the 90's, but he wouldn't dare call it prog back then, but now it's no longer a 'four letter word'. It's almost become acceptable again.
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Post by Stjerky on Mar 19, 2014 8:58:30 GMT -5
Listening to "The Engineer" for the first time. I like it a lot. Much better than I expected after reading this thread
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Post by Stjerky on Mar 19, 2014 9:00:00 GMT -5
"Pax Britannica". Sounds like it could be on "Heavy Horses". In other words sounds reaaly good.
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Post by Dan on Mar 19, 2014 9:28:57 GMT -5
Someone has posted a 3 track promo on Youtube. Sounding really great, Engineer is growing on me. The beginning of Pax Britannica is right out of TaaB. I've liked everything I've heard so far and what I didn't like at first is growing on me. I think we can expect a strong release from Ian and co. As for the 'squeezy thing' - don't forget it was all over classic Tull! (See Queen and Country and others from WarChild ...) I don't agree that the accordion was " all over" classic Tull , just that one particular album and for some reason, Ian has a newfound love affair with it the last few releases. I believe it wasn't so high in the mix on the Warchlid album and maybe it that's why it doesn't have the same kind of bellowing slap you get from the last productions. Some like the sound of the accordion, a personal choice, but I would much prefer to hear a well placed oboe or violin. I'm glad you guys are enjoying the new songs and maybe I'll have to hear it all at once to appreciate it more and maybe that is why , at this time anyway, that Tull Management hasn't released any samples of their own. Dan
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Post by Oldghost on Mar 19, 2014 9:31:58 GMT -5
Someone has posted a 3 track promo on Youtube. Sounding really great, Engineer is growing on me. The beginning of Pax Britannica is right out of TaaB. I've liked everything I've heard so far and what I didn't like at first is growing on me. I think we can expect a strong release from Ian and co. As for the 'squeezy thing' - don't forget it was all over classic Tull! (See Queen and Country and others from WarChild ...) I don't agree that the accordion was " all over" classic Tull , just that one particular album and for some reason, Ian has a newfound love affair with it the last few releases. I believe it wasn't so high in the mix on the Warchlid album and maybe it that's why it doesn't have the same kind of bellowing slap you get from the last productions. Some like the sound of the accordion, a personal choice, but I would much prefer to hear a well placed oboe or violin. I'm glad you guys are enjoying the new songs and maybe I'll have to hear it all at once to appreciate it more and maybe that is why , at this time anyway, that Tull Management hasn't released any samples of their own. Dan Samples are now released on the official site....quick...rush!!!
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Post by Oldghost on Mar 19, 2014 9:41:08 GMT -5
"Pax Britannica". Sounds like it could be on "Heavy Horses". In other words sounds reaaly good. "The Pax Britanica" on Heavy Horses???....oh dear....oh dear
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Post by Mix on Mar 19, 2014 10:06:17 GMT -5
Hearing all the samples now released today soundcloud.com/ia-taab2/sets/homo-erraticus-samples I remain impressed by Ian's vocals and musicially it sounds really interesting. This is gonna much more fulfilling than TAAB2. Ian's really on a Roll. Brilliant job that man!
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Post by Dan on Mar 19, 2014 10:07:44 GMT -5
I don't agree that the accordion was " all over" classic Tull , just that one particular album and for some reason, Ian has a newfound love affair with it the last few releases. I believe it wasn't so high in the mix on the Warchlid album and maybe it that's why it doesn't have the same kind of bellowing slap you get from the last productions. Some like the sound of the accordion, a personal choice, but I would much prefer to hear a well placed oboe or violin. I'm glad you guys are enjoying the new songs and maybe I'll have to hear it all at once to appreciate it more and maybe that is why , at this time anyway, that Tull Management hasn't released any samples of their own. Dan Samples are now released on the official site....quick...rush!!! I spoke too soon. I like some of the samples better than some of the songs out there so far. Ian sounds in fine voice by the way. Dan
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Post by TM on Mar 19, 2014 11:21:14 GMT -5
Is Ian rapping on Enter The Uninvited?
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Post by Michael Crowe on Mar 19, 2014 11:35:02 GMT -5
Is Ian rapping on Enter The Uninvited? Yes, and we now how confirmation to the rumor. Ian is a white guy.
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Post by Stjerky on Mar 19, 2014 11:49:56 GMT -5
"Pax Britannica". Sounds like it could be on "Heavy Horses". In other words sounds reaaly good. "The Pax Britanica" on Heavy Horses???....oh dear....oh dear Something "airy" in the mix reminds me of that album. But I'm often wrong.
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Post by Michael Crowe on Mar 19, 2014 11:58:13 GMT -5
I agree with you Lucas, that so far the four or five songs I've heard sound more like Tull songs, sans Martin, than IA solo pieces. Aside from the beginning to Pax Brittanica, I don't see that much of a resemblance to Brick 2, except that you can tell it's the same band. However, to me these songs sound like 90's Tull, around the time of RTB and Dot Com, rather than a return to the 70's-era Tull that I was expecting based upon Ian's description of H.E. being a "prog-folk-metal" album. I don't think that you can call these songs "prog" by any stretch of the imagination. They seem like standard rock songs. Perhaps in saying that the album was going to be prog-rock, Ian was referring simply to the fact that it is a concept album. Jeff My theory? He's just gotten the 'prog god' award, so of course he's going to say it's prog! Roots was pretty proggy back in the 90's, but he wouldn't dare call it prog back then, but now it's no longer a 'four letter word'. It's almost become acceptable again. Prog has always been a four letter word. I've never understood the condemnation surrounding that term. During Prog's heyday Tull and ELP were among the top five concert draws of the 70s, and Yes, and King Crimson didn't do too bad either - and if you count Pink Floyd as a Prog act then the category is way up there. But then that's just it, it's not recognized as a category. I don't remember seeing a Prog section in Tower records or any record store, and the Grammys have never seen fit to give prog it's own category either. Robert Fripp denies Crimson is a prog band and Ian dodged the term for most of Tull's existance, even lampooning the word at times. In the beginning it was call FM rock, and the likes of Zeplin, Sabbath and Uriah Heep were a part of that. The term Prog was probably coined about the time Heavy Metal was I suppose but before that categories didn't mean so much. I once saw Sabbath, Black Oak Arkansas and Gentle Giant on the same bill. By the late 70s you wouldn't see that sort of billing too much. Anyway Jeff, I think anything Tull should come under Prog and being this IA album sounds like Tull more so than his other four releases, I would, perhaps by a bit of the stretch of imagination, call it progressive. One of these days perhaps someone will actually define what prog rock is. I think it was John Collinge that said "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I hear it."
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Post by Lucas on Mar 19, 2014 12:26:28 GMT -5
Samples os the website! Commenting on the ones I hadn't heard before:
Heavy Metals: quiet songs. Pleseant one, ironically I thought it would be actually heavy. Reminds me of TaaB2. Enter the Uninvited: Funny beginning. Time changing a lot. Very good one. Nice keyboards. Puer Fox Adventus: Very interesting. Very interesting indeed. Nice vocals and hammond organ and guitar. Meliora Sequamur: Another quiet one, nice organ kind of churchy, with corals and so on. Interesting. The Turnpike Inn: Ok, a heavy one! Nice rythm, sounds promising. Aggressive flute playing. Tripudim Ad Bellum: Wow. That's a suprise. Really good. Intrumental only. Sounds very 70's. Loved it. New Blood Old Veins: Different. Brian sings a lot on this one. Liked it. Strong one. The Browing of The Green: Keyboards are very proggy. Looking good. Per Errationes Ad Astra: Spoken words! Ok, at least the first appereance. Hopefuly the only. Better than TaaB2 though. Might have some music in it after the words.
This only gets better!!!
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Post by aaronthetullmonger on Mar 19, 2014 12:31:43 GMT -5
Man, I feel like on some of this i hear Dot Com, and i'm not too wild about that... i didn't mind the album, but for a new IA record!!?? I miss Martin more and more, because as good a guitar player as FO is, I feel like he is trying too hard to just sound like Martin. Anybody else think this?
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Post by Lucas on Mar 19, 2014 12:41:25 GMT -5
He is not sounding like Martin at all. He's much heavier and faster, specialy when soling.
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Post by Zombywoof on Mar 19, 2014 12:56:10 GMT -5
Seems like pretty daring stuff, if you ask me. Ian's stepping out of his box on this one.
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Post by Stjerky on Mar 19, 2014 12:57:41 GMT -5
Now listening to "After These Wars". I'm going to like this album even more than TAAB2. And Ian sounds good.
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Post by Lucas on Mar 19, 2014 13:03:22 GMT -5
Seems like pretty daring stuff, if you ask me. Ian's stepping out of his box on this one. He live is life outside the box, got a little quiet for a few years and now has come back to his old ways of music writing! I was excited with TaaB2 samples, but not as nearly as I am with Homo's! =D
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Post by Mix on Mar 19, 2014 13:17:51 GMT -5
Man, I feel like on some of this i hear Dot Com, and i'm not too wild about that... i didn't mind the album, but for a new IA record!!?? I miss Martin more and more, because as good a guitar player as FO is, I feel like he is trying too hard to just sound like Martin. Anybody else think this? I think he's just doing what Ian wants. I'd much prefer to be hearing Martin but I've come to accept that in Martin's absence, Ian has found his art again. I can't help feeling we would still be on the never ending best of tour and would never have had TAAB2 or HE had Martin & Ian not parted. Something clearly broke down between them and that is a great shame because their work together will always be the pinnacle. But I'm happy to accept less from the Guitar if it means Ian is active in writing and performing new music and moving forward with his art. Florian clearly fits Ian's need in the band and ultimately that's all the matters today. I still miss Martin though and one can only dream about what he would have brought to the table of all this new material........ maybe one day
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Post by Nonfatman on Mar 19, 2014 13:29:40 GMT -5
Now listening to "After These Wars". I'm going to like this album even more than TAAB2. And Ian sounds good. I think Ian does better as a vocalist when he sings with a soft edge to his voice, like on After These Wars, and also on songs like Broadford Bazaar and One White Duck. He is still able to do that on the quieter pieces. I am starting to like The Engineer and Cold Day Reckoning better than on the first few listens. But one thing I just do not understand is the excessive wordiness of the lyrics on many of the HE songs. The delivery is a little clumsy and awkward because there are too many syllables and the words do not match the meter of the music, and sometimes, when he is singing a word, he accents the wrong syllable (or syl-LA-ble, as my Latin teacher used to say). Ian never did that before, his lyrics and music were always so well-matched, until around the time of Dot Com, with Far Alaska, and then on Rupi's Dance you had Calliandra Shade, and I think a few on Brick 2 were like that as well. But on almost all of these new songs, the lyrics are so verbose that they don't fit the accompanying music. I think Ian is going to have a devil of a time singing this stuff live, for that reason, and also because he seems to be singing in a higher pitch. Also, I think these lyrics are going to be very difficult for him to memorize. It is going to be interesting to see how these songs are executed live, and to what degree Ryan is going to be helping out on vocals. Jeff
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Post by Lucas on Mar 19, 2014 13:40:27 GMT -5
Looks to me he's more rhytmically saying the words than actually singing. Might be easier for his voice to follow the song that way, because if the lyrics were really adjusted to the music it might create much more high pitched moments he can't cope with anymore. I might be talking non-sense though.
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